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Scores from Battle of the Bay?

Zone D working out today?

Holdbacks did for Crabs.

Zone D working out today?

Worked pretty good Hawks went 5 and 1. Will the Crabs player be able to pick my son up for the games in the spring since he has his learners permit now. That information came right from the Crabs bench. Hoco should be pretty competitive this year should be fun. Crabs parents definitely win the award for being the loudest this weeken at SRHS. Crabs havent tweeted anything in a while until this weekend they are very proud of winning fall ball.

Holdbacks did for Crabs.

Hawks parents talking about holdbacks is pretty ironic don't you think?

Worked pretty good Hawks went 5 and 1. Will the Crabs player be able to pick my son up for the games in the spring since he has his learners permit now. That information came right from the Crabs bench. Hoco should be pretty competitive this year should be fun. Crabs parents definitely win the award for being the loudest this weeken at SRHS. Crabs havent tweeted anything in a while until this weekend they are very proud of winning fall ball.

Love it!!! The crabs holdbacks are just better than the hawks holdbacks.

How did the Dukes Nationals look playing crabs..One tie and then a One goal Victory over Dukes .. I heard Dukes had some big attackman

It doesn't matter if you win or lose. As a parent of a player and as a player...you get zero respect if you are a hold back. If I chose to move my son down to 2024 he would stand out. I choose not to and he is still a great player. There is no reason to hold a kid back unless you are trying to give your kid an advantage. It is ridiculous to give so much credit to a kid who is potentially two years older than
1/2 the kids on the field. Much more respect to the players who play great and who are of age. I give zero attention or focus to the kids who are holdbacks. I think it is embarrasing and I would not want this for my son. Cheers to the folks who think this is good for their kids...it is not! You literally have kids graduating High School who are 19 or 20. No thanks! No pats on the back for the kid who dominates at 15 1/2 when my most are 13...it is laughable. I only say this now because the kids who dominated the field this past weekend were the holdbacks. You will most likely win having the holdbacks but you most definitely will not get respect!

At least one was on the 22 roster last year. (I know, he's just so good he played up last year...)

Do you feel better now that your tantrum is over?

More players at that tournament were holdbacks than not. You parents have made a joke of the sport.

It doesn't matter if you win or lose. As a parent of a player and as a player...you get zero respect if you are a hold back. If I chose to move my son down to 2024 he would stand out. I choose not to and he is still a great player. There is no reason to hold a kid back unless you are trying to give your kid an advantage. It is ridiculous to give so much credit to a kid who is potentially two years older than
1/2 the kids on the field. Much more respect to the players who play great and who are of age. I give zero attention or focus to the kids who are holdbacks. I think it is embarrasing and I would not want this for my son. Cheers to the folks who think this is good for their kids...it is not! You literally have kids graduating High School who are 19 or 20. No thanks! No pats on the back for the kid who dominates at 15 1/2 when my most are 13...it is laughable. I only say this now because the kids who dominated the field this past weekend were the holdbacks. You will most likely win having the holdbacks but you most definitely will not get respect!

At least one was on the 22 roster last year. (I know, he's just so good he played up last year...)

When they played a good, settled offense, Duke's looked very good. What got them into trouble was when they played selfish. That resulted in turnovers from either errant passes or poor shots. Get them playing together a little more and these issues will go away.

Duke's was starting to take command of the game when Crab's scored a goal from inside the crease. Big miss by the ref that impacted momentum. They lost in overtime in a very aggressive game. They were two men up at the start of OT and basically threw the ball away on offense. Crabs were a lot bigger and physically mature than the Duke's players which contributed to their success in such a physical game.

Regardless of all the hate for these two teams, it was a great game to watch.

The new "big" attack was pretty tall but also pretty skinny. Didn't look older than 14.

Rumor has it that Crabs had 13(!) holdback/reclassed players. At least one was on the 22 roster last year. (I know, he's just so good he played up last year...)

When colleges start recruiting by birth date rather than by class, that's when it will stop. Other than that, it is up to the tournament directors to police the team rosters and put a limit on the amount of kids born prior to the US lacrosse age guidelines. But as others have said, there is no incentive to do that because the tournaments and leagues need the registrations. If you or your kid's team is so handicapped by age and you want to improve the experience, you'll need to move to a USL team and play in the SMYLA league or something similar.

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It’s great to watch kids who work hard and have a passion for the game, regardless of which team they play for. I always say to my son, “man that kid on the other team is great, watch how he plays” … That kid probably keeps the stick in his hand off season, maybe runs or hits the weights, watches games on TV and just understands the strategies and flow. When it’s apples to apples, you have to admire a boy who just outworks everyone else..
On the other hand, when you play for a pretty big travel program and the coach “calls up” players from “affiliated” programs for tournaments and those kids turn out to be 14 or 15 and 30 pounds heavier than most other players.. that stinks.
And it stinks to pay $x,000 while your son, who plays half/three quarters of a regular game, is getting less than 10 minutes while the monster call up is on the field most of the game… of course he gives the team a better chance of winning but how is this fair? Why am I paying so much money to subsidize the training of a kid with a mustache?

It’s a respect issue for sure but more so, you have to question not only the integrity of the travel program but the sport in general in which this rampant abuse is permitted and kids are getting hurt.

It’s a joke reading the home page of many local travel teams:
“committed to running the highest quality tournaments and events in the country”
“developing lifetime skills such as leadership, teamwork and good sportsmanship.”
“Lacrosse program to help the next generation of players discover and enjoy the game”
“emphasize player development, life lessons, and a love for the sport.”

Great post! Teams that bring in guest players to win events do so to promote their clubs, not to develop their kids. Play with the team you have, coach them, and watch them develop. If, at the end of the year, you can look across your entire roster and say with confidence that everyone got better, you've done your job.

As a teacher, if you take a bunch of gifted A students and they continue to ace their tests, you may not have done much. But if you take a bunch of C students and turn them into B students, you've inspired, educated, and impacted each and every one of them. That's what teaching/coaching is about.

We all know who does it, yet there is no shortage of parents bringing their kids to the tryouts every year. I guess they think their kid won't be the one displaced by the ringers. Say what you will about Hawks, but they play with who is on their team. Crabs, FCA, and 91 are notorious for bringing in ringers as the kids get older.

We all know who does it, yet there is no shortage of parents bringing their kids to the tryouts every year. I guess they think their kid won't be the one displaced by the ringers. Say what you will about Hawks, but they play with who is on their team. Crabs, FCA, and 91 are notorious for bringing in ringers as the kids get older.

We all know who does it, yet there is no shortage of parents bringing their kids to the tryouts every year. I guess they think their kid won't be the one displaced by the ringers. Say what you will about Hawks, but they play with who is on their team. Crabs, FCA, and 91 are notorious for bringing in ringers as the kids get older.

Fake News. Also, your wife is a Pig. She is yuuuge! That is all.

This statement is untrue. The Hawks bring in players also. You can keep trying to tell yourself that the Hawks are something different, but they aren't. Hogan is just as bad as Kelly and McClernan. Just get over it and accept that if your kid plays in the elite level for one of these clubs then there will be holdbacks, guest players, etc.

Even though most who read this do not care, N.VA teams do not have holdbacks/re-classing and also do not have a team in Elite. Connection? I have not heard any N.VA teams with older kids. There are some kids that play for MD teams but they have crazy parents willing to spend hours in traffic so they would also have no issue paying an extra year of private school.

In 2023 HOCO Elite, sounds like Crabs v Madlax DC Dogs will be the game to watch.

Since last spring, Crabs and Dogs got better with some new starters. Hawks stayed the same or got worse.

Usually happens when High Schoolers play middle schoolers

That is the comment of the day^^^^^^^^^

Is that because it was the only comment of the day? Because it really didn't make any sense.