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Don't worry....you'll always have the team Israel victory!

And there you go again....

Agree 100%.

Begininning in elementary school certain parents actively try to tear down, belittle, diminish and ridicule any and all players, teams, events, awards etc... always in an effort to make their daughter look good or better than she is. When their daughter doesn't make the "A" Club Team it is always due to politics or something. We have all read it on here and had to listen to it on the sidelines and around town, they blame it on "the friends & family network" they blame it on the town they are from or are not from, the blame the coach, they blame the club director, they claim others pay for private lessons, you name it they blame it. As their children move into middle school and the early the and HS years it becomes even worse. When they start to tryout for select teams you hear the same complaints from the same parents. When their daughter doesn't make a team or is not brought up to varsity there is always an excuse and usually an attack on either a player or two, a coach, a club director or another parent. Forget about it.... when the recruiting starts these parent really go off the deep end. The excuses that come when other players are being recruited over their daughter are laughable. These parents can not and will not except the fact that their daughter is not as good as they think she is. There can be 20 coaches from top college programs on the sideline watching and when their daughter doesn't get any interest (but other players do) the excuses really begin to fly. Once again they blame the club coach and or director, they will say the other girls father knows someone, they will blame the Easter Bunny when they run out of excuses. As if it is not enough to make excuse after excuse they then go on the attack with regard to other players who are having more success then their daughter. Some try to mask their attacks in a passive aggressive manner others can not help themselves and they will just spit out their negative comments. Just ask one of these parents about another player and listen to their response. The funniest thing of it all is that these parents most of who never played a competitive sport in their lives always know better than the college coaches from places like North Carolina, Maryland and Northwestern. The bitterness and jealousy always comes out with these people and they go on the attack. In addition to attacking they also like to put their spin on everything and try to level things out or make it out that their daughters "situation" is the best. They equate all D1 schools and they want to believe that being recruited by top 10 schools is the same a being recruited by schools outside the top 20. If their daughter is going DIII they will go on about the academics and try do knock DI every chance they get. When a player commits to Maryland or North Carolina they bash they player "she will never see the field" "she will major in being a summer lacrosse coach". If another player goes to Florida or Notre Dame after a year or two you will hear the haters telling you "see I told you that she was not that good they are not in the final four". It is just never ending. The jealousy and bitterness never stops. These people are constantly trying to elevate their daughter by knocking other players, teams, events, etc... it is always "a joke" "a head scratcher" "political" "not fair" "she is not that good" "I don't see it" "friends and family".... Bla Bla Bla...

You name it they blame it.

I have a 2019 committed to a good not great academic school that most likely will not crack the Top 30 - 40 in the next five years. Not recruited by any of the Top 10-20 programs, No Under Armour Team, No IL Young Gun Ranking, No U19 just a decent player who loves to play.

Be happy if you have a healthy daughter who enjoys playing. Knocking others and or their accomplishments will never help your daughter.

I realize that not all of you are negative, bitter and jealous so I apologize to you for my rant. Just can't listen to the haters.

Amen brother!!! I am just stating out elementary school and have yet to experience any negativity. Hopefully it is a change of things to come.

Yawn...........fell asleep half way through that😴

Yes, would have been much more productive and insightful if she had attacked a player or bashed a team or club or tried to discredit someone or something.

Guarantee the "Yawn" post was made by someone who wishes ill will upon others.

Gotta agree with Yawn. Honestly you people are pathetic. Both the parents that have kids who have made all the UA teams,Schoolgirls teams ,U19 etc and parents that have kids that have not are delusional. Honestly my kid was top 5 recruit and a very good player but if you don't think politics and luck did not have something to do with her accolades you are just naïve. Have no idea why but she was on all the to schools radar early and I have to believe all that becomes a bit of a snowball and gives these players an advantage in making the so called "all-star " teams. That said there were 5-6 other players on her travel team that received no where close to the attention that could have but did not. On the opposite side you have parents of kids that have no interest from top programs, never make any all star team while trying out for them all, are role players for their travel team but believe everyone is wrong about their kid are just as delusional. By the way many of these kids who get recruited by the to programs will never see the field in any meaningful way , its just a fact.

100% agree...

By your account everyone except you is pathetic and delusional yet here you are on this site thinking that you are better than the rest of the people posting. You are also one of the negative types who have to try and tear down the girls.

" By the way many of these kids who get recruited by the to programs will never see the field in any meaningful way , its just a fact."

Here is another fact, many of the girls recruited by the top programs will start and play every game and have incredible college careers. Some will become captains, some will earn All-Conference Honors, Some will earn All-America Honors, some will win The Tewaaraton Award, some will earn a spot on the US National Team. that is a fact.

This sport is toxic. Bitter jealous parents go on the attack every time a team is picked (club "A" team, varsity team, school girls team, UA team, US team etc..). They also go on the attack when the first commits in each class begin to commit. They come out of the woodwork just about every time accolades or write ups come out. Everyone knows there is some degree of politics but the haters would have us believe that it is "All Politics". It is a mantra that is used as they try and set the narrative in order to further their agenda. The narrative is "these teams, rankings, lists, accolades etc.. mean nothing". Their agenda is to elevate their daughters status by trying to tear down or diminish the accomplishments of others. Just as you felt the need to point out that many of the players going to top programs will never see the field. What was the purpose of your statement?

I do not post often but this is one of the topics that gets me going. It has nothing to do with where any of my children fall in the pecking order. It has everything to do with the negative and toxic vibe that has permeated this sport. I played a sport in college at a pretty high level, my wife was a competitive college athlete, all of our children boys and girls played / play multiple sports. Nothing comes close to this mess. I don't know why but it is cesspool.

Every time one of these debates / arguments comes up it is always started by a disgruntled parent. 100% of the time they come on here and attack the team, the coach, the process or whatever and IMHO it is always to diminish someone or something in order to try to elevate their daughter. Never do I see the parents of players who make these teams or receive accolades come on here and attack or belittle the players who do not make these teams or receive accolades.

I'm sure there are a few pot stirrers as well.

Some of us just cant stand the negative bitter BS even when it has nothing to do with our children.

Just curious who is actually playing then...walk ons? Sad how you just put down your daughter.

Been down this road a million times and nobody seems to want to listen to reality. there are 8-12 recruits for every grade, if 3-4 pan out the program is thrilled. not a hater, not bitter and not an opinion, it's simple math 13-15 kids play 95% of the meaningful minutes on top 30-40 schools, that leaves another 15-20 who don't play

The numbers are closer to 8 - 10 kids in an average recruiting class at most of the top programs. 17 - 19 players see action in the majority of games. Sometimes more play sometimes less. None of this is really relavent to the discussion .

The question is: why is it brought up? It is always brought up to knock players who are getting recognition. It is always brought up to try to render any accomplishment as meaningless. It is always brought up to try and level the plaing field. It is always brought up to say: none of your accolades or accomplishments matter , the majority of you will not see the field in college. They are implying that none of it is important and that their daughter is just as good and just as deserving.

As another poster pointed out it is done to diminish the accomplishments of others while trying to elevat their daughter.

If that is not your intent then why do you focus on the negative. Just as easy to point out the fact that many of the girls are going to go on to have great college careers?

Below is a quote from the Boys 2028 thread (3rd Grade).

"Unless you are a Massapequa kid.. True Blue is not the place for you, unless you are a stud, then it don't matter.."

The message is clear, "it's all politics"....

Feel bad for people like this, long road ahead with that attitude.

Sounds like a reality to check for some clueless parents to me, but I guess it's true when they say you can't fix notIntelligent

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Rising junior and senior rankings are out. Did they get them right?

Rising junior and senior rankings are out. Did they get them right?

Saw them. Seem pretty accurate with obvious dark horses overlooked or politics playing a role. What were your thoughts?

Most if not all of the players that I have watched many times and think are the best players in the 2020 class are on the list. BTW all of the 2020's who were selected to the US U19 National Team were also recognized by Inside Lacrosse.

Congratulations to all the players who were recognized.

I think for the most part they got it right. Some girls on the watch list could have been ranked higher. Congrats to all!

Interesting Link

not accurate at all most got write ups at committed academy one girl on the list didn't even play summer ball so not sure where they would have seen her? list will always be inaccurate. truly doesn't matter once they get to college there are many players that have never been ranked tearing it up in college. its great for the scrapbook though and before you all jump down my throat, my kid is on the watchlist. I just don't care that much. I don't need a list to know my daughters capabilities. but the wife did post it on her fb

You cared enough to come on this site and post about it. Just to try and make the point that the list are always inaccurate (therefore the players who were recognized are not that good) and player rankings really do not mean anything. As always, when players are recognized jealous bitter posts appear every time. Even posts like yours that try to come across as being above it all. At the end of the day your post was like all the negative post, it was an attempt to diminish the players that were recognized.

Congratulations to all of the players who were recognized. Hope all of the players and their parents are proud.

You cared enough to come on this site and post about it. Just to try and make the point that the list are always inaccurate (therefore the players who were recognized are not that good) and player rankings really do not mean anything. As always, when players are recognized jealous bitter posts
appear every time. Even posts like yours that try to come across as being above it all. At the end of the day your post was like all the negative post, it was an attempt to diminish the players that were recognized.

Congratulations to all of the players who were recognized. Hope all of the players and their parents are proud

Honestly my kid is on the list and being her dad I am completely biased as to her ability but I will say these lists are a joke .You have kids on the list who don’t start for their high school team , dont start for their travel team , got cut from any school girl team , got cut before the final round of UA tryouts . Is what it is but if your on the list or not don’t take it too serious .

That's the truth, but let these delusional parents keep pounding their chests....until their daughters disappear in college, which is what happens to the majority of those on these "lists" FACT

No, not even close to a fact. The vast majority of players on the Top 40 - 50 lists do very well in college. Haters gonna hate.

No, not even close to a fact. The vast majority of players on the Top 40 - 50 lists do very well in college. Haters gonna hate.[/quote

Check back in a few years and let us know if your daughter is still on the team

Oh so bitter. Another myth that is put forth on this site about "the percentage of girls that stop playing" . Yes, I am sure that many girls do decide to give it up but very few of the top players stop playing. Track the players that were ranked in the top 30 - 40 even 50 over the past several years. The large majority of them do very well in college and most are at the top programs. Do some players who are not recognized go on to have very successful college careers? Yes.
Congrats to all the young women who compete, I wish them all well. Just can't stand the haters who always try to diminish any player who gets more notoriety than their daughter.

You fools really think that you know better than the top colleges and the people at Inside Lacrosse, Under Armour etc... Laughable.

Here are the actual facts from the 2015 Young Gun Senior Girls Top 30 Rankings from Inside Lacrosse. I am very familiar with this class, they are currently seniors in college.

5 to UNC
4 to Maryland
3 to Notre Dame
3 to Syracuse
2 to Boston College
2 to Florida
2 to Princeton
2 to Northwestern
2 to Duke
2 to Georgetown
1 to Stanford
1 to Hopkins
1 to Liberty (transferred to another school)

All are still playing and all but 1 or 2 are major contributors for their respective teams starting and or playing in every game. There are All Americans and All conference players as well as team captains and Tewaaraton Watch List players. Oh and also The Tewaaraton Award Winner .

27 of the 30 players were also 2015 Under Armour All Americans and I believe 10 of the 30 were also selected to the U19 National Team.

They do not stop playing and they do not disappear. They go on to play and excel ant the best schools and programs.

Those are the facts.

Great job with those facts! For the most part the same girls who get on the Inside Lacrosse top recruit lists are the same girls who make UA teams and US Lacrosse schoolgirls and national teams. This is not a coincidence. Might some worthy girls get left out the back? Maybe, but most everyone of these girls selected go on to kick butt. Are there politics? Always some. But most likely the bellyaching is coming from completely delusional parents.

Another interesting fact is that the only two LI girls to win the Teewaraton are Top Guns players, although most watch list girls are YJ

Shannon Smith was a yellow jacket, top guns did not exist yet.

My daughter was ranked and I can proudly say that none of it had to do with politics. It was earned from her own hard work, drive and determination. Some people want to downplay that and be negative but I know the truth. Congratulation to all the girls and their hard work! Yes I agree that some girls may have been overlooked but they have a chance to prove themselves in college. The cream always rises to the top!

What parents of young HS players should be focusing on is the incredible opportunity this sport offers our daughters.

I can't remember, how many top 10 HS recruits, UA/NIKE, etc. were on the JMU championship team last year?

Could you be a bigger lost. Guarantee you my kid is higher on the list than yours but my kid knows there are many other kids who could easily be on the list while many on the list could just as easily be off. Get over yourself.

What is your point?

I think his point is your name doesn’t have to be on any list to be able to attend a good school and play at a top level program. Hard work and dedication will.