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Are you really using the term earned? There are some players on that list from Long Island that were and I emphasize were great players in 8th and 9th grade. They are no longer that good. Some were bigger and stronger than others back then but now cant stay healthy and are no longer bigger and stronger. Others were faster and more skilled but their little legs cant keep up anymore regardless of how many hours they spend training or the accolades daddy buys. Its becoming more and more obvious the last 2 years as to how others have passed them in physicality and skill. They were exposed really badly in the UA games. Let's here the excuses.

Another loser who sits around waiting and hoping for others struggle or fail. Sorry that your kid did not make it, I'm sure that he will be an All-American at the next level. Good luck to him.

Maybe my kid would have made the team, maybe he wouldn’t. Since he didn’t try out, we’ll never know. Now why don’t you tell me why the kids who did make the team couldn’t get the job done and waisted there parents time and money? Sad that LI can’t put a competitive team together. Probably because many of the best players don’t even bother with UA anymore.

You sound like a very low IQ individual...I don't think anyone who participated feels like it was a *waste of time and money. The tournament is well run, the boys had a lot of fun competing against the other regions, and although you always want Long Island to win, it's unrealistic to think that will always be the result. Having watched the 2019s, 2020s, and 2021s over the years, it's tough for you to say that these teams weren't comprised of the top players on Long Island. Of course certain kids were left off or didn't tryout but most of the Highlight team is committed to top programs and the Command team was mostly from the top 3 club teams on Long Island. If the only thing that you're focused on is saving $500 and having your kid committed to a "great school" that's pretty sad. Enjoy the game, the time spent traveling with your kid, having them meet new people, and competing. It's tough being left out and feeling like you shouldn't even tryout for the team because you or your son is afraid of not making it, but that's not a reason to criticize the team or the coaches.

Are you really going to start with this nonsense again?

BTW, which "other" hands are you referring to? Is it the hands of the HS Coaches who are grabbing the money? Didn't the tournament at WM charge each player an "entry fee"? How much was that fee again? How many players participated? How much money was collected? Where did that money go? Was this tournament run by The Ward Melville School District? Was it a charity event? Did the proceeds go to a worthy cause?

You really think that a young man should prioritize a bs high school tournament above of "work" commitment?

Didn't the High School Season end a while ago? Find me a single player who is missing High School Lacrosse for anything other than illness, family priorities, emergencies etc..

Maybe the boy is working to help pay for the "fee" to play for his so called "High School Summer Team"? How much did it cost each player to play at Ward Melville this past weekend?

The only selfish people are the - who want to hold kids back for their own selfish reasons. If a boy made the Under Armour team and you want him to stay and play in some pay to play money grab you are the one who should be ashamed.

Any coach who tells a player that he can not become a captain if he does not "Pay to Play" for their "quasi HS summer team" should be fired immediately.

I will ask my son and his teammates tonight if it has been implied in any way that if a player misses any "summer pay to play HS lacrosse" that he can not be considered for captain. If there has been any coercion whether explicit or implied I will make it my business to have that coach removed.

With respect to the game of lacrosse there are two types of people that can be classified as selfish and they are the very same people who should be ashamed of themselves.

1. The parents of the "average" players who want to hold the stronger players back. You see, they want their child to be able to play with the stronger players however, they do not want the stronger players to go off and play with better players on one of the top club teams.

2. HS coaches extorting money from players and their families.

(yes I get it the club directors are in it for the money as well but they are running a business and you do not have to give them your money if you do not want to)

To the best of my knowledge my son has never been penalized in any way by his HS coaches for playing club lacrosse, going to a showcase or Under Armour. If that changes, the coach will be out of a job before the school year begins.

What does it say about a School's administration (private or public) when it allows HCs to use their own (or ones they are getting paid to attend) summer tournaments to hold "defacto" tryouts? IMHO this constitutes type of "pay for play" is clearly out of bounds. I've seen HCs offer to pay (only for those who have a demonstrated financial need) for kids or give their own players a discount so as to ease their guilty consciences. Its become the norm in the Mid-Atlantic State private school circuit. The Schools have a hard time preaching integrity and honor when they allow coaches and teachers the ability to charge students on the side. Most industries have very strict conflict of interest rules but clearly some in the education sector (not all as our local School Superintendent just went to jail for consulting contracts with educational software vendors he awarded contracts to) want to turn a blind eye towards this type of behavior.

Maybe my kid would have made the team, maybe he wouldn’t. Since he didn’t try out, we’ll never know. Now why don’t you tell me why the kids who did make the team couldn’t get the job done and waisted there parents time and money? Sad that LI can’t put a competitive team together. Probably because many of the best players don’t even bother with UA anymore.

Why is it ok for the math teacher to charge a fee to tutor a student.

You are one of those trouble makers, who are you to keep stating "the coach will be out", if you don't like something right away you call for the coaches head, guys like you should not be part of sports

In life there is a time and place for everything.

A smart coach does not force his players to do everything but may demand they do select things. Just as an elite athlete doesnt have to do everything his club team does and needs to prioritize some HS events.

As for as some comments over work, a smart HS coach will give enough advance notice and if not will not hold an athlete to it.

Now the boys on the other hand, they all know and that is the bigger jury!

In life there is a time and place for everything.

A smart coach does not force his players to do everything but may demand they do select things. Just as an elite athlete doesnt have to do everything his club team does and needs to prioritize some HS events.

As for as some comments over work, a smart HS coach will give enough advance notice and if not will not hold an athlete to it.

Now the boys on the other hand, they all know and that is the bigger jury!

Why is it ok for the math teacher to charge a fee to tutor a student.

Most school systems or private schools I've been involved with have strict rules regarding a teacher tutoring his or her own student. Another teacher can do it, but most educators feel there's an inherent conflict between receiving direct compensation from parents and the fact that the teachers are assigning grades.

Please enlighten When and where the time and place are for coercion and extortion .

Anything taking place in the summer that is "pay to play and for profit" is not a High School event so stop with the nonsense. As far as athletes playing for club teams goes, the athlete can choose to do whatever he wants, he is the customer and he is paying to be on the team.

As for the boys, they know that it is about the money.

My younger one is entering the recruiting years and he will be playing at the events that will give him the most exposure. We are fortunate that he is on one of the top club teams so he is afforded the opportunity to play against many of the best players in the country in front of many coaches from the best college programs. We have been down this road before, the only "Non Club" events that enable a player to be seen by the majority of the top college programs are the Final 40 games of the Nassau Vs Suffolk Tryouts and the Final 40 game of the Under Armour Tryouts. Making the teams is not important, but playing in the final games at the tryouts great exposure.

I really do not have any issue with the HS coaches doing things in the off season but please stop with the disingenuous BS. It is what it is, don't try to hide it and do not try to sell it as something better than it is.

When the HC of a high school team invites members or candidates for his varsity team (and his team only) to a pay for play tournament he runs (and makes a ton of money on) and uses the tournament to evaluate his players (a defacto tryout) for the coming spring season he is conflicted. Kids who don't participate are at risk for being viewed as a "non-team player" and not leadership or starting material. Sorry but this is a textbook definition of a "conflict of interest" and "self dealing".

Do you guys really think a coach is using these summer tournament to evaluate (tryout) his players, the coach is well aware of the type of player the kids are by that age.

Do you guys really think a coach is using these summer tournament to evaluate (tryout) his players, the coach is well aware of the type of player the kids are by that age.

Sorry guys, once a HS coach decides to make the summer team a "for-profit business" all bets are off. Once the line is crossed it is no longer a "High School Team". You can try to justify it but at the end of the day it is now a "pay to play for-profit business" and the players are now the customers. It is unfortunate that this is the way the sport has progressed but this is the reality. You simply can not have it both ways. It is either business or it is a HS Team. It can not be both.

So here we go again..........Cant have a HS/JV coach for summer travel teams. Cant have "daddy" coaches. Cant have college kids because they are usually hung over wearing flip flops and are here for summer only. College coach??.....cmon really, they are out scouting for their real team. So please, inform me who should be coaching summer travel teams that would meet your criteria???

As I have written earlier, any HS coach who gets involved in ANY town sponsored lacrosse is CRAZY!! It's a lose/lose situation.

I am not the poster that you are responding to but I will chime in.

The guy does not sound like a trouble maker at all. In fact, he sounds pretty reasonable. I agree, if my kid were coerced into playing for his HS coaches "pay to play - for profit" summer team I would want that coach gone as well. The original post stated that kids were missing do to the fact that they were working. I am proud of any young man who is working in the summer. If you think some meaningless tournament should come before work you are a stunad. If you think it is acceptable for HS coaches to coerce kids into paying them to play on a team or in a tournament through threats of not being considered for captain you are a bigger dope than originally thought. Let me clear it up for you, it's called extortion you dimwit.

You asked the question: "who are you to keep stating the coach will be out". He or she sounds like a parent who knows right from wrong. They sound like a parent that will stand up and make sure that people will be held accountable for their actions.

The person clearly stated that he was not aware of any nonsense taking place at his sons school and that his son has never been penalized for missing "school summer team" games in order to go to Under Armour, Club games or Showcases.

Do you actually think that coercion by a HS coach is acceptable?

Yes...... we get your "opinion"........easy to give an opinion.....how about your solution???? Is your opinion consistent with all other HS/JV coaches in other sports???

So here we go again.......Cant have a HS/JV coach for summer travel teams. Cant have "daddy" coaches. Cant have college kids because they are usually hung over wearing flip flops and are here for summer only. College coach??.....cmon really, they are out scouting for their real team. So please, inform me who should be coaching summer travel teams that would meet your criteria???

Chaminade High School team won the National High School Championship Tournament this past weekend beating some great teams. Team looks good for 2019.

Yes...... we get your "opinion"........easy to give an opinion.....how about your solution???? Is your opinion consistent with all other HS/JV coaches in other sports???

Congrats Chaminade!

So they finally actually played up to the hype...who was coaching? hopefully that won't b e the high point of their lives and they don't falter in the Spring. That being said. Well done.

Trouble in syo land!!!

Do tell, do tell!!! Inquiring minds want to know.

End of era!!!

End of era!!!

I want, gimmie, i'll take. I'll have. Parents operate the same way with the admin as the do in the bagel store in that town. You just ushered out the best coach your program has ever had who brought you to the greatest success consistently that your program has ever had. Enjoy the ride down the rankings...albeit with all your clothes on.