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Stony Brook has been given a tremendous amount of pres and hype by Inside Lacrosse and Lacrosse Magazine over the past 5 - 7 years. As much if not more than any other program.

Why? They get talented players but not near the talent that UNC, or Maryland gets year after year and honestly many of the players they have landed did not exactly have the reputation of being very coachable.

How many U19 USA players? UA? Nike? HS top 30?

They had way more than SB ever had and did NADA. Florida coaching is terrible. The girls win in spite of the coach on talent alone

So, what are you saying? Are you saying Stony Brook wins in spite of the players?

I'm saying Spalina, UNC, Maryland, BC coach up players. I'm saying for many years I believe Florida had better players than SB and they did nothing. Im saying that with a better coach at Florida they should have 2 national championships

They had way more than SB ever had and did NADA. Florida coaching is terrible. The girls win in spite of the coach on talent alone

I'm saying Spalina, UNC, Maryland, BC coach up players. I'm saying for many years I believe Florida had better players than SB and they did nothing. Im saying that with a better coach at Florida they should have 2 national championships

More Fake News.

Over the past four years Stony Brook has had more All Americans than Florida. Please stop with the nonsense.

Stony Brook has been loaded with talent .

Very few teams have had more All Americans than Stony Brook has had over the past four years. So I guess you could say Stony a Brook had also done Nada.

who said last 4 years? how long has florida coach been there?

More Fake News.

Over the past four years Stony Brook has had more All Americans than Florida. Please stop with the nonsense.

Stony Brook has been loaded with talent .

Very few teams have had more All Americans than Stony Brook has had over the past four years. So I guess you could say Stony a Brook had also done Nada.

Stony Brook has been loaded with talent. Over the past four years here is a comparison to some other teams . Number of All American Selections In last four years.

Stony Brook: 14
Florida: 13
Notre Dame: 9
Syracuse: 9
Boston College: 7

Paints s little different pictur than the one painted on here. No shortage of talent at SBU...

Stony Brook has been loaded with talent. Over the past four years here is a comparison to some other teams . Number of All American Selections In last four years.

Stony Brook: 14
Florida: 13
Notre Dame: 9
Syracuse: 9
Boston College: 7

Paints s little different pictur than the one painted on here. No shortage of talent at SBU...

SB had 14 HS AA on their roster?

To give a little more perspective ....

Maryland: 21 AA selections
North Carolina: 16 AA selections

In the last four years.

Think you are all missing the point. Believe the poster was talking about accolades bestowed upon HS players entering SBU, or lack there of. This is credit to Spallina that he can identify “overlooked” talent and bring it in, or develop it, and get these players national recognition. It is true he gets much more out of what appears to be less. Give this guy the recruiting classes of MD, UNC or FL, it would not even be a contest for the championship.

Not missing any point. You are spreading fake news. Go take a look at the Bio's of the players who saw action in the BC game. Many HS All-Americans, All-Long Island, All County etc... Very few of these players were overlooked. They chose to go to Stony Brook for their own personal reasons. Stony Brook can be financially attractive, it is a good school, close to home etc... Every player / family has their own reason for selecting a school. Great to go to Duke, BC or ND but if you are only offered 30% that tuition bill can hurt.

School awards are something different. It takes hours and hours to give out the hundreds and hundreds of all the awards you mentioned above at the county award dinner. Those awards are great and nice for the kids, but drastically different than the awards that were being referenced by all the proceedings discussions. The accolades where many were overlooked are the US National teams, the UA teams, the IL lists and so forth. For every hundred girls that get an school based award, 1 of them get to these next level awards. And SBU recruits are overlooked at that level. It is not putting anyone down here, but it is very true. Spillina will be the first tell you the same exact thing, he talks about it and uses it as a selling point in his recruiting. And to his credit he takes many unheralded players out of recruiting, and turns them into record breaking All Americans at the D1 level. Its not going to happen for most of the players but certain some. It is a huge part of his pitch in recruiting girls, and a huge part of the playing with a chip on the shoulder mentality of his
teams.

It is Spin! There are not hundreds of players from Long Island being named HS All Americans. There are 8 per year in Suffolk and 9 per year in Nassau. How many girls does Newsday pick to be All Long Island? 20 or so? The large majority of their top players were very well known in HS. Few if any were overlooked. They might not have been the top recruits at many top programs but they were far from no names.
As you correctly stated it is their narrative but at the end of the day it is Spin.

It’s not spin , has SB ever had a top 20 Inside Lacrosse recruit , or a top 10 recruiting class etc .

It absolutely is spin. Just like you are trying to spin it. The discussion had nothing to do with HS accolades until a spin doctor tried to change the discussion and bring it up.

Stony Brook poster took a shot at Florida saying they have had more talent then Stony Brook and they have done NADA. It was then pointed out that in actuality Stony Brook has had more All-American selections than Florida over the past four years and they have also done NADA.

It was pointed out that the fact is that based on their regular season success and recognition Stony Brook has been the most under achieving team in the country.

So, facts are pointed out and what do the SBU people do? They try to change the narrative and make it about "We do pretty good for a team of no names who were all overlooked by the perennial powers". Another lie by the way, as it was also pointed out that Stony Brook actually is one of the "perennial powers" considering they are one of a very select group of 10 -12 Teams that have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in each of the past six years.

The fact is that the majority of the top players for Stony Brook had very good HS careers. Just about all of them were named Captain of their team (which says a lot about the player / person). I agree with you that most of the HS accolades are very watered down and meaningless.There are way too many and they are really not based on ability. It is almost an everybody gets a trophy situation. That said, being named one of the nine All-Americans from Nassau and eight from Suffolk is a nice recognition.

In any event, the discussion was about "actual talent" not HS accolades. and the reality is that Stony Brook has had a lot of talent. The players may not have all been UA All Americans or Top 20 recruits but they were far from no-names.

At the end of the day it is self serving spin.


Actually it is your spin. The original poster was saying that Florida coach is terrible in that she brings in a lot of talented players but the team underacheives every year .When someone points out that Spallina gets the most out of the talent he brings in the SBU parents get annoyed because they don’t think of their own kids and teammates as being players that were not highly regarded in high school . Fact is that it’s somewhere in between. Do the top players from LI , MD , etc want to go to SBU , no .Do many of those top players want to go to UNC, Maryland , yes. Is what it is but SBU does not get very highly regarded recruiting classes coming in year after year which is difficult to do as rarely do players from out of state want to go to SBU so the pool is limited .
Basing the perceived talent level of incoming players on high school accolades including being a captain is lacking , I know many of the current SB players and also know that most had little interest from other top 5-10 programs .

You are changing it again. Below are the posts that started the discussion, none made any mention of HS accolades:

Original post that started it: "Any insight to playday at Manhasset? Heard FL looked great . Other teams?"

Response: "FL always looks great until it matters - SB was the most impressive team there by far"

Response to above: "What is the saying? Something about glass houses?

Talk about looking great until it matters.... It is repeated over and over on this site how certain teams under achieve every year... the two programs that are attacked most often are probably Notre Dame and Florida (haters gonna hate). The reality is that for the past several years the most under achieving team "when it matters" has been Stony Brook.

Talk about a team that "always looks great until it matters" Take a look at their track record when it matters.... Abysmal.

Actual results are what actually matter... here are Stony Brook's

2014: 16 - 3 going into the tournament. Lost to Syracuse in round of 16.

2015: 18 - 1 going into the tournament. Lost to Princeton in round of 16.

2016: 15 - 3 going into the tournament. Lost to Syracuse in round of 16.

2017: 18 - 1 going into the tournament. Lost to Maryland in round of 8.

2018: 19 - 0 going into the tournament. Lost to Boston College in round of 8."


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Then here are then a few posts pointing out that Stony Brook has become a perennial power and has been in the company of the Top 10 - 12 programs for a number of years now.

Also, it was pointed out that SBU has actually had more All American Selections then Florida over the past four years.

Then and only then does the narrative change to: How many UA AA's , U19, Top 20 recruits?
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Looking at last years Stony Brook Roster (only looked at the players who played in their final game) The majority were highly regarded coming out of HS. Several were named All-American and I am sure they were not overlooked. They might not have been top recruits for places like Florida, MD, UNC, ND, BC but I am sure they were the Top Recruits for Stony Brook.

Those players were good coming in.

You are changing it again. Below are the posts that started the discussion, none made any mention of HS accolades:

Original post that started it: "Any insight to playday at Manhasset? Heard FL looked great . Other teams?"

Response: "FL always looks great until it matters - SB was the most impressive team there by far"

Response to above: "What is the saying? Something about glass houses?

Talk about looking great until it matters.... It is repeated over and over on this site how certain teams under achieve every year... the two programs that are attacked most often are probably Notre Dame and Florida (haters gonna hate). The reality is that for the past several years the most under achieving team "when it matters" has been Stony Brook.

Talk about a team that "always looks great until it matters" Take a look at their track record when it matters.... Abysmal.

Actual results are what actually matter... here are Stony Brook's

2014: 16 - 3 going into the tournament. Lost to Syracuse in round of 16.

2015: 18 - 1 going into the tournament. Lost to Princeton in round of 16.

2016: 15 - 3 going into the tournament. Lost to Syracuse in round of 16.

2017: 18 - 1 going into the tournament. Lost to Maryland in round of 8.

2018: 19 - 0 going into the tournament. Lost to Boston College in round of 8."


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Then here are then a few posts pointing out that Stony Brook has become a perennial power and has been in the company of the Top 10 - 12 programs for a number of years now.

Also, it was pointed out that SBU has actually had more All American Selections then Florida over the past four years.

Then and only then does the narrative change to: How many UA AA's , U19, Top 20 recruits?

Once the player hits the college level, all HS accolades are meaningless. In college it is about how you perform when you are there and the Stony Brook Players have obviously performed at a high level and have garnered slightly more All Americans than Florida. Stony Brook has had more talent.

Looking at last years Stony Brook Roster (only looked at the players who played in their final game) The majority were highly regarded coming out of HS. Several were named All-American and I am sure they were not overlooked. They might not have been top recruits for places like Florida, MD, UNC, ND, BC but I am sure they were the Top Recruits for Stony Brook.

Those players were good coming in.

Point is on the National landscape Sb is taking an unknown kid and turning them into better players than many many many “top “ power schools I’m talking National and to your point Spallina clearly recruits differently and chases a certain player that he rates highly. So in his eyes he’s getting his player. Nationally under achieving schools are getting top recruits and doing nothing. Such as ND Florida USC Duke Syracuse etc

I agree that Northwestern should be ranked higher. Northwestern will finish the year ranked ahead of James Madison, Syracuse, Towson, Virginia Tech and Penn.

Good god man. Make it stop. Here is what you need to hear...
SBU recruits the best players with the highest recruit pedigree in NCAA. It’s the Who’s who of recruiting classes.
Seems to be about the only thing that will appease this hang-up. Let move on...

So now that we have seen a few games.
How do we feel about the pre season poll?
Any changes?
Few months before the season starts should be fun to watch.

OP here. The reference to Florida was at the end of the Gilroy run. Florida had more than enough to win a lot more than they did. Whoever mentioned ND is right as well. Since the topic turned to Spalina and SB I think all you need to know about him is he packed up a bunch of D2 Adelphi transfers and got SB into the top 10 almost over night, Now Spallina has to win the big one but he has done more with less than a lot of coaches. His girls don't enter SB on the same level as many of the UNC and Maryland recruits but after a few years he has some lesser known's playing like all americans

I am waiting for the spin police or spiniot to tell us the top 20 high school player that SBU got coming out of high school while FL, UNC, Maryland, ND get these players every year. Again not sure but has an Inside Lacrosse top 20 player ever selected to go to SBU.

All this does is prove the point, that the lists are not 100% spot on.

Any insight on how LIU Post will handle the women’s program’s folding into D1 from D2?