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No information on the 2019 games yet but here's the 2018 info for reference http://www.underarmourlacrosse.com/underclass-tournament/

This is true, but w/o them Freedom can't score they create everything.

Guess we'll see what happens this year.

Obviously you haven’t seen them play very often, and you didn’t see the BL game when Freedom won. What I saw was BL had “2 creators” and Freedom took them away and BL was lost offensively. Freedom had an answer when BL took their “2 creators” away

Btw this is typical if you haven’t noticed. Each team relies on a few primary players, the teams with depth and the teams that play together better that day will win.

Why is there this constant back and forth about Freedom and BL, when Freedom has their full roster (regardless your feelings about where their players come from), they are the better team, absent the full roster it is a closer game, edge. Outside of the head-to-head games, the results from NXT this spring and the summer tournaments are a pretty good indicator.

"Outside of the head-to-head games" .... [Outside of the BEST indicator, these other variables show my son's tea- AHEM, Freedom is better]
LMAO

They beat BL one time and now they are the better team? W/O the imports Freedom wouldn't even play BL.

Unfortunately, you are too concerned with posting a snarky reply as opposed to actually thinking about the statement and providing a coherent response. That being said, no skin in the game on either team, but my son's club has played both teams, and I have seen both teams play in numerous tournaments. As for the head-to-head comment, we all know that teams have good and bad days, so I think that it is appropriate to consider how BL or Freedom did against teams that they both played, gives a little more perspective to the discussion.

Two 1 goal games in the spring (victories for BL) and one 3 goal game in the summer (victory for Freedom). All very competitive games between two very good teams. Can't people just leave it at that?

Exactly, but it seems like some Freedom or BL parent is always searching for some type of validation

The 2018 head-to-head comparison between BL and Freedom is (I believe) a 2 goal win in NXT League, a 2 goal win at Meltdown in the semifinals and then a 3 goal loss at Summer Slam in the semifinals. Clearly, BL has the edge, however slight.

As for this garbage with "imports", I simply don't get it. Freedom had rostered, regular team members (given that they played in every game mentioned above as well as all other NXT League and tournament games, that constitutes a regular, rostered player to me) that didn't live in the Philadelphia area. Where's the sin in this again? I have yet to see any of the Freedom-bashers actually explain what the issue is. Beyond the fact that they didn't like that they were good.

Why is there this constant back and forth about Freedom and BL, when Freedom has their full roster (regardless your feelings about where their players come from), they are the better team, absent the full roster it is a closer game, edge. Outside of the head-to-head games, the results from NXT this spring and the summer tournaments are a pretty good indicator. [/quote]

"Outside of the head-to-head games" .... [Outside of the BEST indicator, these other variables show my son's tea- AHEM, Freedom is better]
LMAO [/quote]


Two 1 goal games in the spring (victories for BL) and one 3 goal game in the summer (victory for Freedom). All very competitive games between two very good teams. Can't people just leave it at that?[/quote]

Exactly, but it seems like some Freedom or BL parent is always searching for some type of validation [/quote]

Everyone should really get a life..who really cares about BL or Freedom.......

Apparently multiple people on this forum.

Those people REALLY need to get a life, it's thirteen year old lacrosse..get real!!!

Apparently you are not on either team.....go Freedom!!

I thought Freedom was changing its name to "Two studs from NY, and some PA kids"

[quote=Anonymous]AA/A
BL
Freedom
Mesa
Team 11

A
HHH

A/B
NXT
Dukes Young Guns
Sons

B
RR
Dukes MainLine
Headstrong
BB
OE
Anyone else....



Looks about right

Team 11 A

Mesa got some of the really good kids from Sons when the coach defected so they certainly deserve a spot in AA

Team 11 has improved a lot but they are still a high A team.

Sons is gutted - don't know how they can be anything but a low B team.

A few weekends into fall ball - how are the teams stacking up?

Looks like Mesa beat up on a few A/B teams that think they are AA teams.
Freedom looks to have picked up some new talent

Team 11 is still an A team, not a AA team
Same could be said for NXT

Sons has a lot of work to do to be competitive

Mesa with a few new hold backs and they didn't really add much from the sons, team 11 took both good middies, Mesa got a lsm and close defense that are pretty good, but weren't needed. Mesa don't deny the hold backs kids on your teams will openly admit to it.

Why wouldn't Mesa needed a good Lsm and D? I'm pretty sure any team could use that?

I thought hold back/reclassing was just a Maryland and NY thing

To be clear "reclassing" (sounds so honorable) is a Maryland and Long Island thing not NY. Keep most all of us Upstater's out of that grouping.

That’s comical. Think about it. 50% of all private’s are holdbacks. On LI, there are essentially 3 Catholic privates. Maryland has 20+, most of the quality PA and NJ kids are privates. North and Northwest of Manhattan is sticks. The quality players all go to privates.

Not sure why we are talking about NY in a PA forum, but...

Holdback = started school late (as in a 6 year old entering Kindergarten
Reclassed = repeated a grade. Most common in 8th grade in conjunction with private school attendance.

Isn’t Brotherly Love a PA team? They are loaded with holdbacks. What are you talking about?

You must be new. Brotherly Love has a number of boys with summer birthdays (which is defined as February - August) so they aren't holdbacks.

Get with the program!

How old is that new 2023 addition from RR 2022?
Not a holdback???

If the kid was a 2022 and is now a 2023, that's a reclass, not a holdback.

Remember, holdback means held back from starting school on time while reclass means they repeated a grade.

Disappointed to hear that BL has reclassed kids. They have always seemed like an above board club that didn't get involved in this silliness.

so notIntelligent. same thing. keep on fooling yourself!!

Not affiliated with BL but... When kids show up at your tryouts and they are graduating in 2023 why wouldn't you keep them? That's the system unless it changes and they go with birth year. If you don't like it, put your efforts into strengthening and changing US Lacrosse rules.

Lots of BL parents have posted on this forum claiming they have ZERO reclassified kids and ZERO holdbacks, saying they are just a really good team because the kids are athletic. I guess we're now hearing differently. (And the WSYL roster information showed that "summer birthdays" means something very different to BL parents than it does to others.)

As for US Lacrosse, they have come out with their age segmentation policy that some organizers (NXT is a good example of someone local) are implementing, albeit as a phased in practice. Aged based is coming, but it's going to take a few years before it covers all youth lacrosse.

So when age based takes over, in 2028 (speculative date) all will be balanced... But until then... better teams will have summer birthday, holdback, and reclass kids because that's who shows up for the tryouts. No program will turn away kids because they are older as long as they are graduating in the proper year. Just let your kid enjoy the game.

BL has no reclassified kids, i .e,repeated 8th grade like most of the MD teams. Do they have kids with spring/summer birthdays that were held back in Kindergarten, yes , as does every other team in this region. The only kids I am aware of that repeated 8th grade are the Mesa kids and good for them.

Looks like NXT's last grade based team is 2026

1st off he has always been a 2023 just plays up, and if you watched the 23 RR team you would never question why. And he is staying with RR.

Second off he is either 15 or on HGH, at least RR had a little integrity if he really is a 2023 to play him up.

You are a bitter, sick individual talking about a kid that way.

He was in 7th grade last year playing up. He also currently plays u13 football in an age based league. Look at facts instead of trying to justify that he is only better than your kid because you think he’s older.