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Ok I will bite. What's so stupid about what was said . There were players who had more points and played a more important role on his own team. 2 players had more points on his own team 1 had the same. There were 15 players in the Privates that had more points than him. Now on the Nassau public side there were over 40 players with more points and a few who won it all in their respective divisions. Usually the player who wins Nassau Player of the Year has done something.

I'm going to chime in her. I must agree. The picks for these awards are politically dominated. So many more deserving kids left out. It is what it is. Don't get so worked up about it, because nobody cares about this stuff when they get to college. Become an ALL-American there, where it actually counts as an impressive achievement. The majority of these "coaches favorites" will disappear into oblivion soon enough!

I know it's easy to say dont get worked up but there are kids that have busted their rears to put up great numbers. They also put them up in big moments who were and are deserving of some of these accolades. It's a shame that these awards are so politically influenced.

Conference championships and power conferences are a great idea. Adding St. Anthony's and Chaminade into that isnt a bad idea, but not necessary. IMHO, if you do that their lax programs may steadily decrease. (bring on all the comments of the kids who would have went to the school anyway, Chaminade maybe!) I think it is only a bonus for the publics to play them. I also believe the top Publics should play at least one of them.

I think the biggest point of all of this is, you just dont bless teams solely on their history, but rather, rank them on what is in the pipeline for that coming year. The coaches and kids know who will be good or at least contenders.

Connetquot is a great example. They were real good the last 4 years one of the best in Suffolk A. not sure how the next two years will be.

One could say the same about Smithtown East, will they be good or will they be in the muck and in a dog fight for the 3rd spot and wind up in the ninth spot. They have talent all over but so does upstart Riverhead. Young Goalie with an experienced D returning. Good fogo with some offensive threats. How do you Pick SE over Riverhead? Then you have Bay Shore and West Islip (talk about history), both with great goalie play, returning impact defenders and various offensive weapons. Not sure how you can pick SE over any of those 3 teams. That is why you play the games

The only two i think you can bless as Power Conference teams in A will be Ward Melville and Smithtown West, but again that is because they have returning talent. That doesnt mean the rest of the division will be weak, I think it will be the closest race in years with the top 6 teams.

It’s good to know only a couple of BOTC posters son’s “busted their jerks”, all off season while all the other kids just coasted along and did nothing but collect post season awards. Also good to know your son is a “points” machine, it means he is absolutely the best player in Nassau. Truth is, every kid busted their jerks. Truth is just because your son is the points leader it means nothing. Who did he score against? Who did he play? Was he a selfish player? Did his team win because of him? Or did they lose because of him? Is he anything like his father? A petty and angry little jealous man who thinks because his son has a lot of points he should be Nassau POY over a great player and fine young man? A kid who generated wins for his team because of his ability and unselfish play! A great teammate too. Just something to ponder you arrogant hammerhead.

I am talking about the HSE team that was the only team to beat Ward Melville during the regular season and lost (yes, by a lot) to Ward Melville in the Championship.

It’s good to know only a couple of BOTC posters son’s “busted their jerks”, all off season while all the other kids just coasted along and did nothing but collect post season awards. Also good to know your son is a “points” machine, it means he is absolutely the best player in Nassau. Truth is, every kid busted their jerks. Truth is just because your son is the points leader it means nothing. Who did he score against? Who did he play? Was he a selfish player? Did his team win because of him? Or did they lose because of him? Is he anything like his father? A petty and angry little jealous man who thinks because his son has a lot of points he should be Nassau POY over a great player and fine young man? A kid who generated wins for his team because of his ability and unselfish play! A great teammate too. Just something to ponder you arrogant hammerhead.

Thanks for the 'timely" clarification, I have never heard Half Hollow Hills East abbreviated as HSE, I can not even logically think of what the "S" stands for - I have always thought it was HHHE - and while we are laxplaining things how does a person know if SE is Sachem East or Smithtown East ?

The same as the Long Island Showcase. If your coach wasn't there, you had no chance of making it. They even put the kids who they knew they didn't want on the second field with nobody looking at them. It is incredible at how biased they can be, and still ask for your money.

I think if you live in the area its referred to as High School East and High School West so HSE and HSW.

Ok I will bite. What's so stupid about what was said . There were players who had more points and played a more important role on his own team. 2 players had more points on his own team 1 had the same. There were 15 players in the Privates that had more points than him. Now on the Nassau public side there were over 40 players with more points and a few who won it all in their respective divisions. Usually the player who wins Nassau Player of the Year has done something.

what are HS teams doing together this summer, who is going where?

Where can we find the All Americans listed ?
How are they do different from the All Long Island Newsday team ?

Where can we find the All Americans listed ?
How are they do different from the All Long Island Newsday team ?

From US Lacrosse
Edward Arnold 2020 Defense ManhassetHigh School
Colin Hart 2019 Defense Garden City High School
Tim Hegarty 2018 Defense Farmingdale High School
Nick LiCalzi 2020 Long-Stick Middie South Side High School
Danny Ochs 2018 Defense Syosset High School
Angelo Petrakis 2019 Midfield Massapequa High School
Alex Vardaro 2018 Midfield Hewlett High School
Max Verch 2018 Long-Stick Middie Syosset High School
Kevin Winkoff 2018 Attack Cold Spring Harbor High School
George Wichelns 2018 Attack Connetquot High School
Conor Calderone 2019 Midfield Smithtown West High School
John Sidorski 2019 Attack East Islip High School
Peter LaSalla 2018 Midfield Rocky Point High School
Zach Hobbes 2018 Midfield Ward Melville High School
Bobby Abshire 2018 Midfield Commack High School
Ethan Rall 2018 Long-Stick Middie Islip High School
Kyle Zawadzki 2018 Attack Smithtown West High School

Wow!

#1 Team in the country gets one AA and Syosset who lost to Pequa 2X gets two AAs. (Pequa who beat Syo 2X get only one AA).

I guess JC spends more time lobbying for his players than coaching his team. The results speak for themselves.

What a joke. Waters down the AA title for the other recipients who get and actually have earned the the AA title.

Very political. I usually defend tryouts, travel team selections, Nassau vs suffolk, under Armour etc... Knowing there is always politics to some degree but I think overall they get it right.
The process for US Lacrosse AA is not good.
Agree with above post.

Does anyone know who the coaches are who vote in each county?

There is a committee of coaches who vote in each county (Nassau was CSH, Southside, GC, Bethpage and another 5 or so coaches back in the day but that has definitely changed). Contingent on the number of schools in your county, they allocate a certain # of AA spots and it does not go by position - there can be only 1 defenseman and the rest all middies or all attackmen. The coaches certainly lobby for their players which they should but 1) the player must be All-County the previous year, 2) the player must be nominated by his HS and 3) the nominated players then get ranked say 1-30 based on the committee's opinions and the players who receive the most and highest votes receive AA and then the next 12 or so players receive Honorable Mention All American and the rest do not receive any other those recognitions so I don't believe that AA is as political as All-County but like anything in life, everything is political... But you need the other coaches to have either watched them play or watch their game film (they have 3 weeks to do so) and see their stats to compare with others and I know that the few coaches on the committee take it very seriously. And I know for certain that a bunch of these schools of where the players go to who earned AA are Not on the committee plus I know a few of these players and they are deserving of this award. In my time and the 5 years before and 4 years after, they got it right so I am sure they got this right with maybe a few players you can debate...

There is a committee of coaches who vote in each county (Nassau was CSH, Southside, GC, Bethpage and another 5 or so coaches back in the day but that has definitely changed). Contingent on the number of schools in your county, they allocate a certain # of AA spots and it does not go by position - there can be only 1 defenseman and the rest all middies or all attackmen. The coaches certainly lobby for their players which they should but 1) the player must be All-County the previous year, 2) the player must be nominated by his HS and 3) the nominated players then get ranked say 1-30 based on the committee's opinions and the players who receive the most and highest votes receive AA and then the next 12 or so players receive Honorable Mention All American and the rest do not receive any other those recognitions so I don't believe that AA is as political as All-County but like anything in life, everything is political... But you need the other coaches to have either watched them play or watch their game film (they have 3 weeks to do so) and see their stats to compare with others and I know that the few coaches on the committee take it very seriously. And I know for certain that a bunch of these schools of where the players go to who earned AA are Not on the committee plus I know a few of these players and they are deserving of this award. In my time and the 5 years before and 4 years after, they got it right so I am sure they got this right with maybe a few players you can debate...

There is a committee of coaches who vote in each county (Nassau was CSH, Southside, GC, Bethpage and another 5 or so coaches back in the day but that has definitely changed). Contingent on the number of schools in your county, they allocate a certain # of AA spots and it does not go by position - there can be only 1 defenseman and the rest all middies or all attackmen. The coaches certainly lobby for their players which they should but 1) the player must be All-County the previous year, 2) the player must be nominated by his HS and 3) the nominated players then get ranked say 1-30 based on the committee's opinions and the players who receive the most and highest votes receive AA and then the next 12 or so players receive Honorable Mention All American and the rest do not receive any other those recognitions so I don't believe that AA is as political as All-County but like anything in life, everything is political... But you need the other coaches to have either watched them play or watch their game film (they have 3 weeks to do so) and see their stats to compare with others and I know that the few coaches on the committee take it very seriously. And I know for certain that a bunch of these schools of where the players go to who earned AA are Not on the committee plus I know a few of these players and they are deserving of this award. In my time and the 5 years before and 4 years after, they got it right so I am sure they got this right with maybe a few players you can debate...

Dude,
These are individual awards not team awards.
These kids who won these above awards probably would rather have won the states instead.

There is a committee of coaches who vote in each county (Nassau was CSH, Southside, GC, Bethpage and another 5 or so coaches back in the day but that has definitely changed). Contingent on the number of schools in your county, they allocate a certain # of AA spots and it does not go by position - there can be only 1 defenseman and the rest all middies or all attackmen. The coaches certainly lobby for their players which they should but 1) the player must be All-County the previous year, 2) the player must be nominated by his HS and 3) the nominated players then get ranked say 1-30 based on the committee's opinions and the players who receive the most and highest votes receive AA and then the next 12 or so players receive Honorable Mention All American and the rest do not receive any other those recognitions so I don't believe that AA is as political as All-County but like anything in life, everything is political... But you need the other coaches to have either watched them play or watch their game film (they have 3 weeks to do so) and see their stats to compare with others and I know that the few coaches on the committee take it very seriously. And I know for certain that a bunch of these schools of where the players go to who earned AA are Not on the committee plus I know a few of these players and they are deserving of this award. In my time and the 5 years before and 4 years after, they got it right so I am sure they got this right with maybe a few players you can debate...

Holy Crap you know a lot ! As far as the Nassau committee you mentioned a few by name and ANOTHER 5 , I'm just curious why you omitted Syosset or the other 4 by name. Seems a little disingenuous if you know all this info. As far as being All County the prior year that don't hold true for one of the Syosset AA's or the CSH player so I guess you don't know all that much. Congrats to all the boys however they were named to this prestigious list. Politics and backroom deals happen all the time in these things it just stinks for the kid who got humped.

Holy Crap you know a lot ! As far as the Nassau committee you mentioned a few by name and ANOTHER 5 , I'm just curious why you omitted Syosset or the other 4 by name. Seems a little disingenuous if you know all this info. As far as being All County the prior year that don't hold true for one of the Syosset AA's or the CSH player so I guess you don't know all that much. Congrats to all the boys however they were named to this prestigious list. Politics and backroom deals happen all the time in these things it just stinks for the kid who got humped.

coach nominates his player. All the coaches vote. Are deals hatched, perhaps but the other coaches VOTE on who gets AA--they aren't appointed. Are there other kids worthy, sure but if they act like dirtbags in a game they will lose a vote (not saying that happened, but a reality).

There is a committee of coaches who vote in each county (Nassau was CSH, Southside, GC, Bethpage and another 5 or so coaches back in the day but that has definitely changed). Contingent on the number of schools in your county, they allocate a certain # of AA spots and it does not go by position - there can be only 1 defenseman and the rest all middies or all attackmen. The coaches certainly lobby for their players which they should but 1) the player must be All-County the previous year, 2) the player must be nominated by his HS and 3) the nominated players then get ranked say 1-30 based on the committee's opinions and the players who receive the most and highest votes receive AA and then the next 12 or so players receive Honorable Mention All American and the rest do not receive any other those recognitions so I don't believe that AA is as political as All-County but like anything in life, everything is political... But you need the other coaches to have either watched them play or watch their game film (they have 3 weeks to do so) and see their stats to compare with others and I know that the few coaches on the committee take it very seriously. And I know for certain that a bunch of these schools of where the players go to who earned AA are Not on the committee plus I know a few of these players and they are deserving of this award. In my time and the 5 years before and 4 years after, they got it right so I am sure they got this right with maybe a few players you can debate...

Holy Crap you know a lot ! As far as the Nassau committee you mentioned a few by name and ANOTHER 5 , I'm just curious why you omitted Syosset or the other 4 by name. Seems a little disingenuous if you know all this info. As far as being All County the prior year that don't hold true for one of the Syosset AA's or the CSH player so I guess you don't know all that much. Congrats to all the boys however they were named to this prestigious list. Politics and backroom deals happen all the time in these things it just stinks for the kid who got humped.