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Was Murphy a top player in high school? Did she have lots of offers from Top 10 schools? How much of it is talent and how much is it the system she is in, the competition she plays against and stat padding? The fact that the all time NCAA leading scorer in goals and and the all time NCAA leader in points play on the same team during the same 3-4 years has to tell everyone something.

so does beating teams by 15-20 routinely

IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 9
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Stony Brook 12-0 619 21 1
2 Maryland 12-1 590 1 2
3 Boston College 14-0 588 3 3
4 James Madison 11-1 549 4
5 North Carolina 9-3 520 5
6 Florida 10-3 484 7
7 Northwestern 11-3 470 8
8 Towson 10-2 447 10
9 Penn 9-2 407 11
10 Loyola 9-3 383 9
11 Virginia 8-5 367 6
12 Stanford 11-3 340 13
13 Navy 9-3 333 12
14 Virginia Tech 11-4 303 17
15 Syracuse 8-6 255 14
16 Colorado 9-4 247 18
17 Penn State 9-4 240 19
18 Duke 7-5 234 15
19 Princeton 6-4 145 20
20 Southern California 7-7 133 16
21 Notre Dame 7-7 93 21
22 Johns Hopkins 8-5 80 24
23 Georgetown 8-4 71 NR
24 High Point 9-2 69 25
25 Denver 8-4 64 22

IWLCA Poll for Division II, April 9
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 11-1 593 9 2
2 Lindenwood 12-0 587 8 3
3 Le Moyne 11-0 583 6 4
4 Florida Southern 13-1 573 2 1
5 Florida Tech 12-1 536 5
6 Rollins 12-3 480 8
7 LIU Post 8-3 467 6
8 Limestone 12-2 450 7
9 Mercy 10-1 428 9
10 Pace 8-3 385 10
11 West Chester 11-0 372 12
12 Regis (CO) 10-2 365 11
13 Grand Valley State 9-2 341 13
14 Merrimack 8-3 281 14
15 Indianapolis 9-3 247 15
16 Tampa 9-5 230 16
17 NYIT 10-3 218 17
18 East Stroudsburg 7-2 181 20
19 New Haven 6-5 177 18
20 Bentley 7-2 109 22
21 Indiana (PA) 6-3 102 21
22 Mercyhurst 6-4 98 19
23 Lock Haven 8-3 80 24
24 Assumption 6-4 78 23
25 Tiffin 8-4 65 25

IWLCA Poll for Division III, April 9
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Salisbury 12-0 622 22 2
2 Gettysburg 9-1 584 2 1
3 College of New Jersey 8-2 576 3
4 Amherst 9-1 529 6
5 Franklin & Marshall 9-3 491 1 10
6 Tufts 9-1 489 7
7 York 7-3 462 9
8 Trinity (CT) 9-2 450 8
9 Middlebury 9-2 447 4
10 Mary Washington 11-2 422 5
11 Washington & Lee 8-4 369 11
12 Geneseo 10-0 350 12
13 Messiah 8-3 313 13
14 Ithaca 8-3 273 16
15 Colby 6-4 269 21
16 Wesleyan (CT) 7-4 243 14
17 Catholic (DC) 7-4 209 17
18 Bowdoin 8-3 193 18
19 Stevens 8-2 178 20
20 William Smith 8-4 161 15
21 Cortland 7-4 159 19
22 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 12-1 128 22
23 Rowan 7-1 99 23
24 St. John Fisher 7-2 62 24
25 Haverford 9-2 18 NR

Time to revisit my predictions from first pre-season poll:

Teams ranked too high: Penn St at #4, Navy at #7, ND at #15

Teams ranked too low: Northwestern #11

I seem to remember a bunch of people whining that how can you know that, it's all right because that's how they finished last season and nobody can know these things. Someone even threw out the "stat" that 75% of the rosters at each school are back so your best guess is to just go off of last year. All ridiculous. How are they looking now? Penn St was not then and is not now the #4 team in the land. Navy clinging to a somewhat dubious spot at #13, and ND coming off a 10-goal blowout loss to Northwestern and very likely going to miss the NCAAs. Speaking of that Northwestern team, sitting about right at #7, solidly in the top 10. If anyone wants the next PowerBall numbers, let me know.

#1 again this week, baby!!!!

She scored 9 against Navy in a face guard. She is special.... And yes I can... "Tewaaraton"

High point vs Duke today !!!

She took 8 shots , not exactly a great performance.

Good passer and good finisher?

In your post you single out 6 goals, that does not break a scoring record. the question was , I think/ surmise, how many were "cheap" ( 2nd half game in hand) goals so lets count

vs Stanford (won 15-9) goal at 15:53 in the 2nd (13-5 ) +1
vs Denver (won 16-3) goals at 25:11 (9-2) 19:00 (12-2) 5:17 (14-3) +3
vs Michigan (won 16-3) goal at 21:14 (13-2) +1
vs Delaware (won 20-8) goals at 23:37 (12-6) 10:44 (16-8) 9:53 (17-8) +3
vs. Lowell (all in 1st half) goals at 15:33,14:37, 14:18, 12:38, 11:14 (8,9,10,11,12-3, all in a row) +5 (even JS didn't let her score in the 2nd of this one)
vs Vermont (won20-2) (again in 1st none in 2nd) 17:20 (8-1) 13:35 (10-2) 3:13(14-2) +3
vs Cornell (won 19-4) 6:12 1st (11-3) 00:58 1st (14-3, really a garbage goal no class)12:32 2nd (19-3, why is she even on the field?) +3
vs Hartford (won 21-3 really? couldn't JS play the 3rd string and win this one? did she even have to play?) all in 1st 22:21 (6-0) 21:50 (7-1)19:52 (9-0) 18:34 (10-0) + 5 (all her goals were garbage goals that day)
vs Binghamton (won 18-5) 11:00 (15-4) +1

Thats 25 of her 50 goals this year. Is it her fault the schedule is easy? NO, is it her fault JS keeps her in in blowouts? NO, Do I blame her for getting hers? NO, Do I think that is player of the year heck NO!!!!!!

So your analysis shows that off a small sample that 50% of her goals are padded. What a joke this is for the sport and her coach. She should honestly have half the goals that she does yet she is #1 all time. Go figure

Yeah - her shooting percentage on the year is now down to .636. For most of the year it was above .700 which is insane.

Because you are a braggart , some facts , her shooting percentage is hovering around .400 in conference which is not bad but certainly not good . Yes against those cupcake teams she had really killed it but in conference averaging little over 2 goals per game is again not bad but not good either .If you are going to post how wonderful her 3 goal game against Duke was you should expect some to question how great a performance when 8 shots were taken .SA is a great player but if you do not see the ridiculous numbers disparity between the non conference cupcake schedule vs the in conference you are being willfully ignorant .

Because you are a braggart , some facts , her shooting percentage is hovering around .400 in conference which is not bad but certainly not good . Yes against those cupcake teams she had really killed it but in conference averaging little over 2 goals per game is again not bad but not good either .If you are going to post how wonderful her 3 goal game against Duke was you should expect some to question how great a performance when 8 shots were taken .SA is a great player but if you do not see the ridiculous numbers disparity between the non conference cupcake schedule vs the in conference you are being willfully ignorant .

We have no comparison for KO or Murphy on SB cause all the teams they have played are cupcakes

BC still has VT, Dartmouth and Syracuse on their schedule. If they run the table they will still have two tough games in ACC tournament (and an opening round game vs Louisville) and then the NCAA tournament. She will have plenty of opportunities to shine or implode. (My guess is that she will end up somewhere in the middle...solid performances... which is what great players do). If BC does well, she will have done well and she will be a strong Tewaaraton candidate. She will play against McCool again and if the stars align themselves, against KO and SBU. Should make for an exciting May!

Lets keep this simple. SA overall shooting % higher than top SB girls while playing a much harder overall schedule and typically faceguarded. Better to focus on overall performance and schedule rather than isolated games.

Who outside the top five would scare you if your team was facing them in the NCAAs. Who the most?

Northwestern
Towson
Loyola
VATech
High Point

1st four mostly based on the completeness of the team...solid all around teams... don't know enough about High Point but they are 9-2 and beat Duke and ND, lost relatively close games to UNC and JMU.... IMO

I think just about all of those teams from 6 - 25 are capable of making it to the final 8. Getting to the final four will be a function of seeding and if any of the top 4-5 get upset early. Not sure any of those teams scare me but I think they are all pretty good.

First RPI is out. America East:

RANK CONF RECORD ROAD NEUTRAL HOME

8 Stony Brook America East 12-0 7-0 1-0 4-0
52 Binghamton America East 5-7 2-4 1-0 2-3
61 UMBC America East 9-5 4-2 0-0 5-3
65 Albany (NY) America East 5-7 3-3 0-1 2-3
84 New Hampshire America East 6-6 2-3 0-0 4-3
88 UMass Lowell America East 4-8 1-4 0-0 3-4
97 Vermont America East 4-9 3-5 0-0 1-4
112 Hartford America East 1-9 0-5 0-0 1-4

NCAA RPI Rankings. And go.
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-women/d1/ncaa-womens-lacrosse-rpi

You can start to get a feel for the post season seedings from the RPI.

NCAA criteria is based on top 10 RPI games that’s why overall rpi is usually jaded So these rankings are actually misleading To confirm what I am saying is that the overall rpi changes w every game and result. Wins vs top 10 rpi wins vs top 25 rpi etc. NCAA stopped using overall due to the large volume of new programs every year. For instance JMU will play Elon William and Mary and Hofstra which will all lower their Overall RPI same with some other schools. Ncaa went to top 10 rpi games to avoid small conferences being seeded incorrectly because of games that teams must play.

RANK SCHOOL CONFERENCE RECORD ROAD NEUTRAL HOME NON DIV I
1 Maryland Big Ten 12-1 5-1 0-0 7-0 0-0
2 North Carolina ACC 9-3 3-2 0-0 6-1 0-0
3 Boston College ACC 14-0 8-0 0-0 6-0 0-0
4 James Madison CAA 11-1 3-1 1-0 7-0 0-0
5 Florida Big East 10-3 4-1 0-0 6-2 0-0
6 Penn Ivy League 9-2 5-0 0-0 4-2 0-0
7 Towson CAA 10-2 4-2 0-0 6-0 0-0
8 Stony Brook America East 12-0 7-0 1-0 4-0 0-0
9 Northwestern Big Ten 11-3 2-1 0-0 9-2 0-0
10 Loyola Maryland Patriot 9-3 4-2 0-0 5-1 0-0
11 Virginia ACC 8-5 3-2 0-0 5-3 0-0
12 Navy Patriot 9-3 3-2 1-0 5-1 0-0
13 Dartmouth Ivy League 7-2 5-1 0-0 2-1 0-0
14 Colorado Pac-12 9-4 2-4 1-0 6-0 0-0
15 Georgetown Big East 8-4 3-2 0-0 5-2 0-0
16 Stanford Pac-12 11-3 5-2 0-0 6-1 0-0
17 Johns Hopkins Big Ten 8-5 2-3 0-0 6-2 0-0
18 Penn St. Big Ten 9-4 5-2 0-0 4-2 0-0
19 Syracuse ACC 8-6 3-4 2-0 3-2 0-0
20 Virginia Tech ACC 11-4 3-3 0-0 8-1 0-0
21 Southern California Pac-12 7-7 3-4 0-1 4-2 0-0
22 Cornell Ivy League 6-5 1-3 1-0 4-2 0-0
23 Princeton Ivy League 6-4 6-1 0-0 0-3 0-0
24 High Point Big South 9-2 4-0 0-0 5-2 0-0
25 Duke ACC 7-5 1-1 0-0 6-4 0-0
26 Denver Big East 8-4 3-2 0-0 5-2 0-0

REGION/ RANK SCHOOL OVERALL DII RECORD IN-REGION RECORD
NORTH
1. Le Moyne 16-0 16-0
2. Adelphi 15-1 14-1
3. LIU Post 13-2 13-2
4. New Haven 13-3 13-3
5. NYIT 15-2 15-2
6. Mercy 15-2 15-2
7. McKendree 11-5 9-3
8. Stonehill 11-6 10-5
SOUTH
1. Lindenwood (MO) 19-0 19-0
2. Fla. Southern 19-2 16-1
3. East Stroudsburg 15-2 15-2
4. Queens (NC) 16-3 15-3
5. Florida Tech 13-3 10-3
6. Regis (CO) 15-2 14-2
7. Limestone 17-3 17-3
8. Rollins 12-5 8-5

Pay no attention to D2 Regional Rankings. That was last year.

One more time in English and with punctuation?

That is exactly where Stony Brook should be. In the top 10, but not top 6. NCAA got this one correct.

Oh boy Spallina will be crying now. #8 He and his 2 girls get no respect. Well do something about it Joe. Not like last year when you and your girls choked a big one.

If Maryland wins the whole thing, Whittle will win the TEW, it happens all the time w Maryland.

Yeah I agree losing to Maryland by 1 is a major choke job especially after Maryland beat penn state by ten on the final 4 and throttled BC LOLOLOL

SB lost by one goal to Maryland last year. Can't see Stony Brook losing to them this year or anybody else for that matter.
If they were in a tougher conference it would just give those other "good" teams more losses.

These RPI are not what the NCAA uses to seed. They take the rpi vs TOP 10 opponents then place teams accordingly not entire schedule.

Why is Maryland struggling with Princeton??? Oh because they are not that good.

This is the SB wins it, Spallina get's his title, then moves on to a bigger/better position.

Princeton just got screwed by a BS call that should clearly have been a charging call. Instead the D gets called again. Not allowed to play defense in this game.

Just left that game the amount of flopping from Maryland is appalling it’s embarrassing. It was cold but a great game Princeton’s best player double yellowed or Princeton wins

If our girl doesn’t care out that’s a Princeton win. My gut tells me Maryland will not win they free position themselves to every win. Maryland is extremely unsportsmanlike and get every call