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Some big SB games coming up. Umass, Vermont, Cornell, Hartford, Binghamton, New Hampshire, Delaware, UMBC. Could easily lose two or three of these

IWLCA Poll for Division I, March 26
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Stony Brook 8-0 623 23 1
2 Maryland 8-1 591 1 2
3 Boston College 12-0 584 1 3
4 James Madison 8-1 536 4
5 North Carolina 6-3 511 5
6 Penn 8-1 478 8
7 Virginia 7-2 450 9
8 Florida 7-3 442 6
9 Loyola 6-2 428 10
10 Towson 6-2 405 14
11 Syracuse 6-3 385 7
12 Northwestern 6-3 357 11
13 Navy 7-2 319 12
14 Colorado 7-3 279 15
15 Southern California 6-4 267 13
16 Stanford 7-3 252 19
17 Virginia Tech 9-3 224 17
18 Penn State 7-4 187 18
19 Princeton 4-3 175 16
20 Duke 6-4 158 20
21 Cornell 5-3 101 21
22 Notre Dame 6-5 91 NR
23 Johns Hopkins 7-4 84 22
24 Georgetown 5-3 52 24
25 High Point 5-2 50 25
25 Denver 5-3 50 23

IWLCA Poll for Division II, March 26
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Florida Southern 10-0 623 23 1
2 Adelphi 7-1 584 2
3 Lindenwood 11-0 575 2 3
4 Le Moyne 7-0 560 4
5 Florida Tech 9-1 530 5
6 LIU Post 6-2 466 7
7 Limestone 8-2 450 6
8 Indianapolis 6-1 423 9
9 Rollins 10-2 421 11
10 Mercy 6-1 409 10
11 Pace 5-2 371 12
12 Regis (CO) 7-2 352 13
13 West Chester 7-0 329 14
14 New Haven 3-3 304 8
15 Merrimack 5-3 228 21
16 Grand Valley State 5-2 221 18
17 Tampa 8-3 209 15
18 NYIT 6-2 208 19
19 Indiana (PA) 4-1 189 16
20 Mercyhurst 4-2 132 22
21 East Stroudsburg 4-1 102 20
22 Lock Haven 6-1 99 23
23 Queens 4-7 84 17
24 Bentley 4-1 81 NR
25 Assumption 4-3 60 25

IWLCA Poll for Division III, March 26
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Gettysburg 6-0 623 24 1
2 Middlebury 6-0 598 2
3 Salisbury 8-0 574 1 3
4 College of New Jersey 6-1 531 6
5 York 4-2 502 5
6 Mary Washington 8-1 484 7
7 Tufts 5-1 434 10
7 Amherst 7-0 434 11
9 Trinity (CT) 4-2 425 4
10 Franklin & Marshall 6-2 424 8
11 Washington & Lee 5-4 372 14
12 Wesleyan (CT) 6-1 363 12
13 Geneseo 6-0 326 18
14 Messiah 4-3 284 13
15 Cortland 5-2 254 15
16 William Smith 5-3 233 16
17 Ithaca 4-3 224 9
18 Bowdoin 6-2 223 17
19 Colby 4-3 185 19
20 St. John Fisher 4-1 184 23
21 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 10-1 143 20
22 Catholic (DC) 4-4 95 21
23 Rowan 4-1 93 22
24 Bates 5-3 21 NR
25 Stevens 5-2 19 NR

To be fair SB gets hurt by conference schedule non conference is a nice set up of teams
USC Stanford Denver Northwesterm Michigan Delaware Towson Hopkins Cornell Penn State
Regardless these things usually play themselves out some teams are helped by conference strength some are hurt by it.

Would be really great if this thread would take the high road instead of the bashing in the tournament this ALL gets settled. Very rarely in this sport does someone get left out. Enjoy the season and keep the poison out. The tournament is going to be wild this year

Nowhere near as difficult as Maryland, Northwesern, North Carolina, Syracuse, Virginia, Florida etc... Also, not as tough as JMU . Penn and Princeton also have more difficult schedules.

Adelphi would beat Hofstra

Wouldn't even be close. Shannon is running out of time. JS is going to Hofstra for $300k per year

I agree

Really? Have you watched them? You can hate on JS all you want but a NY stat school is the #1 team in the country. And they deserve it.

Two teams SB beat by 5 each Towson and Northwestern this past week beat Florida and Syracuse those are great wins. Lets call it the way it is only 4/5 teams can win it
Maryland (favorite )
SB
BC
Florida
UNc

Pretty sure the poster was being sarcastic. None of those programs are very good. UMass the best of that group but not exactly competitive with top programs on a consistent basis. The poster was poking fun at Stony Brooks weak schedule.

A lot more than four or five teams can win this year.

Nope , it really is just 4/5 teams that are deep enough to win the whole thing . You will have a few teams that win an upset or two but will not be able to win that many hard games in a row.

Says a lot about the readers of this board that you had to explain that.

I agree. Talent is inconsistent and spread out this year. Great year to bet on a COACH to have a big influence on winning. If that's the case history shows you cant pick BC or Florida from the group above

Does their weak schedule not prepare them for the tournament?

2014: 16-3 going in. Lost to Syracuse in round of 16.

2015: 18-1 going in. Lost to Princeton in round of 16.

2016: 15-3 going in. Lost to Syracuse in round of 16.

2017: 18-1 going in. Lost to Maryland in round of 8.

2018: ??? )-

All of the top programs play a more rigorous schedule than the Seawolves,

I don't really know D2 could Adelphi beat Hofstra?

Who cares?

Lets be honest they are #1 because UNC and Maryland have lost not because SB truly earned it. Their schedule although tougher is still lacking and as illustrated above the weak schedule has hurt them come playoff time

SBU beat USC, Stanford, NU, Towson and Denver. All top 25 teams. They have Penn State, Hopkins and Cornell left. Again, all top 25 teams. Their conference is weak, they can't help it. They have tried to keep Florida and ND on they schedule, those two schools backed out.

SBU has a competitive and challenging schedule. Some of their non-conference scheduled teams are having down years. Can't help it. Schedule was made last year. They are #1 and should hold the spot until they lose. Seeding for tournament ? We will see.

Compare their schedule to any of the top programs.

Maryland
North Carolina
Syracuse
Penn State
Florida
Duke
Virginia
Penn
Princeton
Notre Dame
Boston College
Northwestern


Not sure they would have such an impressive regular season record if they played Northwesterns schedule.

Maybe this is the year they can make a run in the tournament. It would be awesome to see them in the championship.

RPI Strength of Schedule Rankings
NCAA Division I — Tue Mar 27 12:03:44 UTC 2018 Top 40 spots.
Games against Division I teams only. Ten
highest rated games are considered.

No Team SOS (RPI)

1 Maryland 0.7053
2 Penn 0.6871
3 Syracuse 0.6830
4 Albany 0.6714
5 North Carolina 0.6714
6 Villanova 0.6663
7 Marquette 0.6641
8 Notre Dame 0.6604
9 Yale 0.6562
10 Rutgers 0.6540
11 Michigan 0.6538
12 Cornell 0.6480
13 Ohio State 0.6462
14 Penn State 0.6361
15 Johns Hopkins 0.6354
16 Virginia 0.6219
17 Loyola 0.6157
18 Army 0.6122
19 Duke 0.6112
20 Navy 0.6065
21 Denver 0.6054
22 Princeton 0.5959
23 Lehigh 0.5951
24 Brown 0.5929
25 Dartmouth 0.5925
26 Holy Cross 0.5905
27 Fairfield 0.5893
28 Providence 0.5886
29 Boston U. 0.5822
30 UMass 0.5821
31 Drexel 0.5797
32 Bucknell 0.5762
33 Towson 0.5757
34 Georgetown 0.5738
35 Harvard 0.5726
36 Colgate 0.5705
37 High Point 0.5698
38 Stony Brook 0.5666
39 Hofstra 0.5658
40 UMBC 0.5630

Sorry, that was the men's RPI.

RPI Rankings
Women's Division I — Tue Mar 27 02:10:07 UTC 2018

1 Maryland 1 0.7504 91 0 29 1 8 1 0 4 1 0 0 0 0 4 0 0
2 James Madison 2 0.7316 81 0 81 0 8 1 0 3 1 0 1 0 0 4 0 0
3 Stony Brook 3 0.7224 111 0 108 0 8 0 0 6 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0
4 Boston College 4 0.7197 49 0 51 0 12 0 0 7 0 0 0 0 0 5 0 0
5 Florida 5 0.7133 71 0 3 2 7 3 0 3 1 0 0 0 0 4 2 0
6 North Carolina 6 0.7064 30 1 92 0 6 3 0 4 2 0 0 0 0 2 1 0
7 Loyola 7 0.7006 88 0 27 1 6 2 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 4 0 0
8 Penn 8 0.6822 99 0 95 0 8 1 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 4 1 0
9 Towson 9 0.6703 38 1 109 0 7 2 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 5 0 0
10 Virginia 10 0.6544 113 0 113 0 7 2 0 3 1 0 0 0 0 4 1 0
11 Princeton 11 0.6476 101 0 36 1 4 3 0 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 0
12 Northwestern 12 0.6456 96 0 33 1 7 3 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 7 2 0
13 Southern Californi 13 0.6439 108 0 40 1 6 4 0 3 2 0 0 0 0 3 2 0
14 Navy 14 0.6399 95 0 90 0 7 2 0 2 2 0 1 0 0 4 0 0
15 Denver 15 0.6386 65 0 2 2 5 3 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 3 1 0
16 Colorado 16 0.6314 59 0 62 0 7 3 0 2 3 0 1 0 0 4 0 0
17 Massachusetts 17 0.6304 92 0 4 2 5 3 0 2 1 0 1 1 0 2 1 0
18 Cornell 18 0.6291 14 1 1 2 5 3 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 3 2 0
19 Georgetown 19 0.6191 74 0 74 0 5 3 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 4 2 0
20 Dartmouth 20 0.6182 15 1 64 0 6 1 0 4 1 0 0 0 0 2 0 0
21 Johns Hopkins 21 0.6126 21 1 21 1 7 4 0 1 3 0 0 0 0 6 1 0
22 Syracuse 22 0.6048 6 2 41 1 6 4 0 1 3 0 2 0 0 3 1 0
23 Stanford 23 0.6022 36 1 106 0 7 3 0 3 2 0 0 0 0 4 1 0
24 Virginia Tech 24 0.6020 44 1 114 0 9 3 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 7 1 0
25 Penn State 25 0.5938 4 2 96 0 7 4 0 3 2 0 0 0 0 4 2 0
26 Yale 26 0.5823 46 1 47 1 6 3 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 4 1 0
27 Richmond 27 0.5804 104 0 100 0 6 2 0 3 2 0 0 0 0 3 0 0
28 Duke 28 0.5782 16 1 68 0 6 4 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 6 3 0
29 Notre Dame 29 0.5767 31 1 34 1 6 5 0 3 2 0 0 0 0 3 3 0
30 Temple 30 0.5744 37 1 42 1 7 3 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 5 3 0
31 Brown 31 0.5612 51 0 53 0 5 4 0 2 3 0 0 0 0 3 1 0
32 High Point 32 0.5589 20 1 77 0 5 2 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 0
33 Delaware 33 0.5548 63 0 14 1 4 5 0 2 4 0 0 0 0 2 1 0
34 Saint Joseph's 34 0.5522 35 1 38 1 4 4 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 2 2 0
35 Jacksonville 35 0.5508 80 0 80 0 5 3 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 5 2 0
36 Michigan 36 0.5474 93 0 88 0 5 6 0 1 4 0 0 1 0 4 1 0
37 Oregon 37 0.5437 98 0 94 0 4 5 0 1 2 0 0 1 0 3 2 0
38 Louisville 38 0.5399 87 0 26 1 6 5 0 4 2 0 0 0 0 2 3 0
39 Colgate 39 0.5370 58 0 11 1 6 3 0 4 2 0 0 0 0 2 1 0
40 William & Mary 40 0.5366 114 0 6 2 4 5 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 4 0 0

What a dumb comment. BC coach made it to the finals last year and completely out-coached UNC this past week. It was fairly obvious to everyone including UNC fans. BC does not have the most talented team but they continue to win and it is largely because of teamwork and coaching. They move the ball better than any other team in the country.

And SBU plays in a weaker conference than 35 of the 40 teams listed... A challenging non-conference schedule...

They backed out of Florida***

They backed out of Florida***

Florida is far from a powerhouse. Losing to Towsend, Syracuse and a one goal win against Vanderbilt

There is no question that Stony Brook is a very good team and that their coach is a very good. However, they have absolutely been over hyped in recent years and their regular season winning percentage has much to do with a weak schedule. As pointed out in an earlier post the majority of top programs play considerably tougher schedules. The facts don't lie. SBU has finished the year in the top 8 one time.

Take another look:

2014: 16-3 going in. Lost to Syracuse in round of 16.

2015: 18-1 going in. Lost to Princeton in round of 16.

2016: 15-3 going in. Lost to Syracuse in round of 16.

2017: 18-1 going in. Lost to Maryland in round of 8.

2018: ??? )-

If Stony Brook was not over hyped and over ranked all those years the only conclusion you can come to is ...

Stony Brook has under achieved.

Hey have you seen what Loyola Chicago is doing. any one can win.

Far from a powerhouse? what is your criteria? They also beat UNC,Loyola,Navy,Colorodo,georgetown. With narrow losses to Maryland , Syracuse and Towson.They have also been playing shorthanded the past couple of weeks. I am not saying they are as strong as they have been, but they are not far off.

Florida and ND took SBU off their schedule.

When SBU made their schedule, their non-conference schedule consisted of top teams (except Michigan and Delaware). NU, USC and PSU were top 10 teams. Stanford had a down year last year but are a perennial top 20 team, same with Hopkins. Cornell usually battling Princeton for tops in the Ivies...

Look at SBU RPI, they challenged themselves this year..

You can tell yourself that all you want but in the end they will have played no top 10 teams which I guess is a difficult schedule by SB standards .If you want to say they thought the teams they schedules would be better , okay , but don’t say they challenged themselves . Their RPI will be out of the top ten by the end of the season.

Stop. Their schedule has improved but it is nowhere near that of most of the top programs. Stanford is not a perennial top 20 (they are a good program) Cornell does not battle Princeton for tops in the Ivy, that distinction would go to Penn. Traditionaly Cornell one of the weaker ivy's. Hopkins is a solid top 20 program. Towson is a strong program that is having a great year. Stony Brook is doing well and their schedule has improved the past couple of years but still does not compare to the other top programs. Yes, right now, based on their body of work over the past four seasons I consider Stony Brook one of the top 10 - 15 programs in the country. I realize you can't get everyone but would like to see at least one or two of the following: Maryland, North Carolina, Florida, Virginia, Syracuse, Bodton College, Duke, Notre Dame, Penn, Princeton. Loyola even Georgetown. You get better playing good teams. You learn from losing.. A tougher schedule would help The Seawolves prepare for the postseason even if they lost one or two regular season games.

Stop the spin and the hype. It has not helped in the past and it will not help now . History tells us they are not prepared come tournament time.

Yeah your right that one goal loss to Maryland in the quarters was very telling everyone knew that was the championship game lolol don’t let the facts get in the way of your story I really do not care who wins as long as it isnt Maryland bit my feeling is SB BC UNC and Florida (healthy) can all win it

Not my story but people like you crack me up. The fact is that they have made it to the final 8 teams one time in the history of the program. The past four years they have gone into the tournament ranked very high and sporting gaudy records and have fallen short or under achieved every year. Or, just maybe their ranking and record were over inflated due to a soft schedule. Want to be the best? You have to play the best and beat the best. As of now, Stony Brook is a good program that has come a long way. Thats it.

Some thoughts on Stony Brook and their schedule.

No one doubts that they are a very good team and you can debate whether their schedule helps or hurts them. Their conference play is not challenging because they play in a weak conference. That is not their fault. You play who you have to play. They can't change conferences due to other obligations to sports within the university. It is what it is.

Scheduling non-conference games is not easy. You don't pick up the phone and say "What are you doing on the first Saturday in March" to another coach. Believe it or not there is a cost measure (transportation, hotels, food, staff) that must be paid by the university and lacrosse spread sheets are pretty thin. Sometimes you get a non-conference commitment 2-3 years ahead of the game so you don't know how strong the team is you will be eventually playing.

Based on their high pre-season ranking and schedule it does not surprise me that Stony Brook is #1 and has a very good chance of maintaining that position for the rest of the season. The other teams ranked play each other and will incur losses. You play who you play. If you follow D1 mens basketball Gonzaga gets that rap sometimes. Just don't be surprised if Stony Brook gets a 4 seed when the tournament starts.

Stanford not a perennial top 20 program? Check the rankings last 5 years (last year was their worst year in awhile). Also just beat everyone in LI's darling USC who everyone has picked the last few years in top 5 to start the season.Johns Hopkins has not been a solid top 20 program (maybe this year may be an exception, great coach though). Agree Penn and Princeton have been the top dogs in the IVY league, but Cornell has been much stronger last few years and Dartmouth is leading the pack this year so far.

Undefeated BC w a thumping over UNC should be ranked above SB for now. As should a one-loss in OT at UNC Maryland team. SB should be ranked #3 right now.