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You can play the blame game or recognize that Syosset much like Hicksville, East Meadow and even Farmingdale to a lesser extent have fallen off due to the influx of various non traditional lax races of people. The demographics in the high school all the way down to the youth program has dramatically been altered and although I agree it's hard for a Frosh to compete at the Varsity level it does help to give the younger guys some quality minutes. It is a tough balancing act and playing a Frosh over an upper classmate does have some advantages especially if you see the team is mediocre, perhaps the younger guy can be better by the end of the season where a kid who is older may be a little bigger or stronger and has already maxed out and really isn't much better. As a coach of a competitive program are you playing the younger guy with hopes he develops or the Senior who isn't really good but he is a senior and has rode the bench for the last two years.

The biggest reason kids that are in 9th and 10th graders are playing over 11th and 12th graders is simply because they are better lacrosse players. This is a trend everywhere on Long Island. The biggest thing to keep in mind is its not the 11th and 12th graders fault or their parents or the coaches for that matter. The 2020 class was the first real crazy travel lacrosse year. This is the year of The Crush team and 1 or 2 other teams that played year round at a high level against the best competition they could find since they were in 3rd / 4th grade. The 2021 is the same only there are even more kids that have done this..2022 will be no different.Now they show up in High School and are competing for spots against boys ,that thru no fault of their own , only play during the traditional lacrosse season or maybe for their town teams. Anyone that knows the game can watch 1 practice, scrimmage or game and see a mile away which kids have played year round at a high level and which have not. The stick skills and lacrosse IQ of the travel kids is off the charts compared to the boys that haven't played year round since they were 8 years old.Before that statement in particular gets picked apart, I clearly understand that there are plenty of exceptional 11th/12th graders out there who would run some 9th/10th graders off the field. I feel for the older kids but the game has evolved quickly. So if a 9th/10th grader is physically capable...what is a coach to do? I always think basketball...a superior athlete that doesn't know the game of basketball can be made to look bad by a lesser athlete that knows how to play the game.

ESM? HAHA They are horrible this year SWR will beat them by double digits!

...and a mediocre coaching staff. Can't compete with the level of coaching at Pequa.

JC should just hang it up and focus on the Travel Team money train. Unfortunately, Syo AD is also very weak. The program will never come back.

Your right, not enough native Americans in those schools.

I am not from SWR and don't have any relation on the team but they do have a few verified studs. I do not know how the Quot scrimmage went, but that would be kind of irrelevant to their league play anyway. You are right, B/C will be interesting and there are at least 5 real good teams. As I said before though, SWR till proven otherwise. Hoping for a Huntington turn around, but will be more difficult up in A.

Having recently completed my doctorate in Sociology, My dissertation was on the socio-economic impact on sports in the transitional demographics of the Syosset Central school district and my conclusion was that Garden City is better than Syosset in lacrosse this year with little or no effect of the emerging Eskimo population in the district. or on the team

Good stuff. I like the doctorate conclusion. Grade A.

Rebuttal, But, But, what if, Freshman, wait till later in the season, it was cold, it was wet, its pre-holidays..

Travel lacrosse, year round lacrosse did not start with the 2020 class - the 2011 U15 national championship game (Class of 2014) saw fl$ beat LI Express and in 2012 (class of 2015) 4 of the top 8 teams were from LI and LI Express won the national championships the amount of LI kids starring in college from the HS class of 2014,2015 and 2016 is tremendous. This is not to take away from the 2020's but they are not the "Inventors" of year round travel lacrosse

I can't get in the original poster's head, but what I think he really means is that the idea of year round play has increased to the point that the 2020 class may have had enough volume of kids participating in that the overall situation reached a tipping point - that class has so many kids playing year round and on enough high level clubs that the sheer numbers elevate everything about them and the numbers of really good players resulting from that has increased.

I am not getting in his head, I am just reading his quote and I think that perhaps he is familiar with the class of 2020 and not as familiar with the classes of 2014 - 2018 these kids all went to Baltimore 4-5 times a year in the spring - summer and fall and they all have had plenty of year round opportunities to compete against the best competition. I personally would take the talent pool of the Class of 2015 over any grade in the last ten years or the next four years

Id love to know, didnt Quot just play Islip to OT.

No question GC was the better team that day and to my point about the demographic change in Syosset there is a direct correlation to the downhill spiral of their football program. The 2015 LI Championships in both Football and Lacrosse were not coincidental. The peppering of football players and the lax rats are the perfect recipe for a successful High School lacrosse program which leads right back to the demographic explanation. The recent influx of families in Syosset are more likely to pick up a string instrument over a pigskin. Good luck to both schools the rest of the season.

St. Anthonys and WM just scrimmaged to a 6-6 draw. Both teams looked a little rusty. St. Anthony's won easy over GC last week. Chaminade will be the best team on LI this year.

Well thanks for that info , Chaminade will save Long Island lax. I am nauseous at the though.

Does Seaford have a shot this year?

Smithtown west BIG over GC

How many LI kids even go to Prep schools or take PG years? If they are recruiting don't the kids have to be good...

They just easily beat McDonough

yes

Every year!!!

Don’t know the numbers but can think of 2 studs .... Kavanagh did a pg before NotreDame and Gutterding did a pg before Duke..
Obvious quality recruits.

Gutterding was a early hold back and did a PG year. 23 year old senior...the GC way

Yes, both excellent players but gain an edge physically playing as seniors at age 22-23. This has been going on for decades not a new phenomenon also not against any rules .

Fake news. Why the GC hate? Jealous?

Feb 3 1995 someone do the math

I think he meant the 2020's was the first class where you saw that amount of talent throughout the entire mid atlantic and northeast. 2020 Class is very strong.

Don't think that is the GC way however GC diffidently is over rated.

Rob Pannell of Smithtown did a PG

Ok so maybe my math isn't that great but is a kid is born in 2000 and their birthday is in any time before mid May when most graduations occur wouldn't that make them 22. Also if a kid was born in November or December of 1999 they also could be in the same class as a 2000 birthdate player and a redshirt and they are 23 in their senior year.

Look at the kid at Albany from IMG Academy he was 20 in 2016 according to his NCSA profile.

[img]http://www.ncsasports.org/mens-lacr...ge-catholic-high-school/tehoka-nanticoke[/img]

So that would make him 21 or 22 year old freshman and he would be 25 or 26 as a senior. Now thats a bit ridiculous.

Why do u think he went to IMG Academy... he was too old to play HS sports in NYS.

I’ll translate: GC spanked my kids team, my son was embarrassed, those boys have to be holdbacks!

my kid is tearing it up on his club team, if he had just PG'd I am sure he would be starting at Duke and we never would have heard of Guterding. It is just not fair

Can’t find the score anywhere? What was the final? Surprised Mewsday didn’t cover the game at all? Can you post the link to the news story please. Thanks

Its a bit harder to find scores than in the past, if you are going to old favorites but its there.

https://scores.newsday.com/sports/highschool (Save this to your favorites)


https://scores.newsday.com/sports/highschool/game/lacrosse-boys/5069

It is on Newsday
https://scores.newsday.com/sports/highschool/team/lacrosse-boys/garden-city/2018

How does one get to be a PG player. is it the same as College recruiting. They see you and think you can elevate their team. here is the issue i have, The top players are recruited so is this best for the second tier or those who have that 6'2" dad but is still 5'8" and have skill.

Does Rob Pannell or guys like Gutterding give advice on this. Again, Lacrosse isnt a pro sport but it is a gateway to a better college. If being a an older player means better player. So be it, it is a means to a better future.

Most kids that do a PG year after HS are already committed to a college and they are PG'ing either to mature physically for another year or maybe to get their grades up to get into the school, Pannell had signed his NLI so he decided to PG and switch commitments. When going through the recruiting process a lot of colleges will ask the recruit if he would consider PG'ing a year. similar to Army and Navy sending so many kids to prep. I know of a few kids that were told "our 2017 class is full at your position but if you PG we will commit to you in our 2019 class"

GC squashes the press for all its bad games