BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums MID-ATLANTIC LACROSSE MARYLAND FORUM Boys 2022 - 8th Grade Fall 2017/Summer 2018

Dammmnnnnn! Good reply. Very god stuff..

Don't sleep on the Rough Riders- easily top 5 of this group

Such a joke for Dukes to be disguised as Koopers. And HOCO allowing a 30 man roster to help them out. A disgrace all way around.

Its the HOCO. what do you expect. .These jerks are one of the reasons for all this grade based garbage. They started a grade based league a few years ago to accommodate private school prefirsts/holdbacks. Of course its no wonder that one of the directors has a holdback in private school. Once a place to place was put in place..they came a running with their holdbacks

You mean the guys that specialize in cheapshots against a team then running scared the rest of the summer. Yeah ok

If you are not at the top of your game and and on a top club at 8th grade you chances are less than 10-20% of going D1. Do some make it. Yes, but that is the minority. Keep saying it doesnt matter and you have time.
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I didn't start playing until my Jr year and ended up on the Cuse National champ team. All players are different and with new clubs exploding out in the West thinking these Md/Va top clubs are the only way into DI you are dead wrong. Show us these stats you speak of - or did you just make them up on the spot to make it sound like you know what you are talking about. [/quote]

What he is really trying to convince us it that his kid being on a top club in 8th grade means the kid has a 80%-90% chance of being D1. He's not counting on blokes like yourself that come out of nowhere. Or the kids on Tx or Fl that aren't quite D1 football athletes but are far superior athletically to the average AA 8th grader player Hoco this spring.
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Nor apparently does he care or give consideration to the fact that a great academic pairing for his son's athletic abilities might be at a DII or DIII school. Academics seem to ALMOST be a forgotten consideration on this board. Playing lacrosse, though tons of fun, and MIGHT give you an assist to get into a college/university that you might otherwise be a marginal consideration for, will not pay the bills! You can expect you little D1 millennial to keep up residence in the family home after the conclusion of his "successful" D1 career at say "Canisius" by way of example. No knock on Canisius, but it is no Carnegie Mellon -- oh wait, Carnegie Mellon though a top rated engineering and computer sciences school doesn't even field a men's lacrosse team. Sorry son, they might train you to put the next man on mars, find a cure for cancer, or provide the data administration to the world's most dynamic companies -- but MY dream (I mean YOUR dream) is to play lacrosse at a D1 school! Never forget that, son.[/quote]


Not everyone forgets about edumecation. My son has strait A's. As a two year holdback he can now practically teach the classes. :p

Like who - and please don't say Evergreen.

Its okay, your son is not DI material anyway.

This will allow Cavalier players to also play on Everygreen? Be honest M, Cavalier days are numbered.

That can't be true about the Dukes ? 30 man roster?
HOCO is hardly to blame for anything other than running the biggest lacrosse league for every skill level, age and grade. If you can't find a good fit for your kid or team in this league than you simply have bigger issues. The NPYL folded a few years back which was a league solely for top club lacrosse with its own rules. HOCO gave these teams a home. Comical that sore loser dads come on here bashing the best all around lacrosse league in the country. There is more opportunity for kids to find their level of the sport. 2022 alone has 5 divisions to play in. Save the name calling and bitterness for your wife and the simply decision making process at your home.

I got news for you. Yours probably isn't either. The percentage of kids that will play D1, even in the elite division of HOCO in 8th grade, is very small.

I think we had this talk about the Elite level players in HOCO and how many play D1. I can not find the number everyone settled on but I think we can at least say its 3 or 4 times higher then the US avg. of kids going D1.
If you have 8 teams in elite and on avg 5 of the 20 kids from that team go D1 someone good at math give us this number?

That's 25%. But point is, 5 of 20 kids is going to make on average 15 of those dads very upset.

That number is way too high.

There is not a chance this number is way to high. Name a club in Elite and I will go to the website and see the 2018 class going D1 I am sure none of them will have less then 3. And some of the clubs have 9 so that could avg. 5 per team with no effort. You have to count the Hamptons and 60th ranked D1 teams as D1 not just the ACC big ten teams

Simply look at the 2018-2019 classes and their ELITE club teams. How many of those kids are playing D-1, D2 and D3. The answer is a lot . Remember this new thread about an old topic steamed from a Dad claiming his sons team hasn't practice or trained all year and still are not for this Spring league that starts in 5,6 weeks. Team that doesn't care about the league they play in or preparing their players to play. Yet wants to deflect and bash clubs and teams that due.

What is the goal of your team if its not to win the league they play in? Win a summer tournament?

Develop, compete, be a good teammate, persevere to name a few.
BTW... pretty sure coaches are looking for those things much more than who wins the HOCO league or a tournament. Those traits will also be far more important in life.

The goal of all these teams should be to develop their players to play varsity in high school and hopefully in college some day. Not to wear them down by practicing 5 days a week to win HoCo.

I think the goal of these teams is to develop their players for high school and hopefully beyond. And they don’t practice anywhere near 5 days a week...

Winning is a habit in life and so is losing. Not saying you're going to win everything, but if you prepare to win and position yourself on a team with potential you will win more than you lose.

If you have 8 teams in elite and on avg 5 of the 20 kids from that team go D1 someone good at math give us this number? [/quote]

That's 25%. But point is, 5 of 20 kids is going to make on average 15 of those dads very upset.[/quote]

Funny stuff^^^

The reality is that many of the top programs in HOCO have far more than 25% of their roster who are committed to D1 programs. Check out the 2018/2019 Madlax, Crabs, and Hawks rosters.

For instance, Madlax 2019 has (12) local DMV kids committed to DI programs, and Madlax 2018 has (15) local DMV kids.

Crabs 2019 has (8) 2019 D1 commits and Crabs 2018 has (16) D1 commits.

It's solely dependent on that particular year's class for every team. Some are really talented, some aren't.

The true age base13 and 14 boys 2022 are just starting hit growth spurts. So we see what’s happens with kids but coaches aren’t looking at them now.

HOCO is ONE of the top reasons we have all these Grade based lacrosse issues in MD. HOCO started a grade based league when ALL other leagues including NPYLL were age based. Even ALL other HOCO county sports leagues were age based at that time. Of course its a great league. It is funded by Howard County Recreation Department with its organization and fields. You missed the point . These jerks could have had an age based league and it would look exactly like it does with on age players playing high quality lacrosse, just like its BB, Football, Baseball County based leagues are today.
They are Jerks and had ulterior motives. They should go down in the Hall of Shame for Lacrosse for their actions.

It is a shame that holdbacks/prefirsts/reclassed or basically players playing down continue to be an issue with YOUTH Lacrosse.

It is an advantage for sure in youth and to some extent continues onto high school. But for many on age players as puberty kicks in the advantage gets smaller and smaller.

Crabs added another Cali and another Texas kid? Must be great for the kids that have been on the team that he keeps bringing in these kids from out of state.

Evergreen beat Cavs 12-8 in CBLL 8th Grade Box Championship today. Changing of the guard in Loudoun. Evergreen 2-1 against Cavs for the season, including the last two. Looks like HOCO got it wrong. Cavs won’t win a game in 2022 AA. Evergreen will win 2022 A.

Not a Crabs parent. I don't see the problem with this. Crabs is a "brand" as is Dukes, Sweetlax, Express and others -- including Hawks, Roughriders and Rock which are trying to build multi-state platforms in an effort to expand its footprint and support those organizations such as Hawks/CSE that operate its own tournaments which can benefit by brand identification. This is the trend in youth/H.S. Club lacrosse -- build all-star teams that elevate the brand and enrich the business principals. That will permit the brand to monetize the rationality or irrationality of parents that think that affiliation with the "brand" will make the difference in achieving the goals and aspirations of parents and players. Parents justify enrollment in those programs with full knowledge that you may be recruited over, and that the team will be large in numbers because the brand can command those subscriptions. I am not sure that HOCO should be any different than any tournament that is run in which a brand can pick and choose where it wishes to play. If we locals get feed up we can always encourage our club to form NYPLL version 2.0 and limit participation in whatever manner the subscribing clubs wish.

And no one will care

You’re not wrong. However, the practice of flying in ringers who don’t practice with the team sends a horrible message. You think McClernan or Millon don’t ride kids who miss a practice during the week only to welcome their out of state studs who just show up on game day? I don’t blame the kids or families flying in for middle school lacrosse games, as crazy as I find that, but I do think it is terribly hypocritical to demand the local kids attend every practice, clinic, box training etc. and reward them with the privilege of backing up the stud from CA or TX. I think it says a lot about the brand that the proprietors can’t attract enough local talent to compete with the other clubs. It says even more about the ownership when their are different standards for kids in the programs.

People stop with this Evergreen crap. They are an over priced rec club playing against weak competition.

How many of these Evergreen players also play for the Cavs? What it sounds like you are saying is that Cavs (now basically Evergreen) should have been playing single A all along.

Very well said. Also, we accepted the spot on the team after tryouts back in August. This was not done with knowledge that RM would continue to bring in more out of state players. If these kids come to tryouts and earn their spot then fine. But don’t form a team and every couple months there are new kids from CA or TX added to the roster. He is still trying to add the Koopers kids which would put the roster over 30 kids. For what?

For what really? It’s about one thing for all these guys money. The more you win the more you can make. If any of the guys running programs as there only form of income tell you any different they are lying.

Over 30 roster Even high 20's ???? How can all the players get in to play?? I have a hard time believing the roster is that big. With that many players 10 plus players never see the field and 3 to 5 see limited time and 15 to 17 actually play.

Well said.

Hawks/DCE box scrimmage today? Who won?

Who cares? Different sport.

No Brainer!

Yes , well said. However, every parent and player on these teams have agreed and chose to play for that particular coach,team and club. Agreed to pay the dues which for most clubs is at least 2,000 now or more. They agree to training, practices, indoor and all the other gear and swag that comes along with it. They also can choose to leave at anytime(but don't) Instead most are just complaining about their decision to accept all of this when it doesn't seem fair at some point for their kid. OR even worse holding a kid back a year so they can know what it is like to be in those shoes of whom they felt cheated the year before. Agree to do it all over for an extra year.(crazy) CHOICES CHOICES CHOICES--
I certainly do not like any of it but I choose to except it and agree to it every year so my kid who loves this sport can play at the level he is capable of playing. What ever level that might be.