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This would be BS as DC Express is one of the best teams out there.
Mad lax is better than Crabs or FCA.

Agree with DCE being one of the best teams out there..
Don't agree with MadLax statement...

Definitely true, I saw the email also. It is just a draft so it will probably change. Though I doubt that API or Richmond will move above AA.

You're right, not everyone does. Most club coaches (for the top club programs) ask that families hold off on vacations until late July or early August. That's a reality among the top clubs. No, middle school intramural games really don't matter and often reinforce bad habits. Of course beating top OCC opponents matter but not any more than beating a strong local rival.

The reality is 8th grade lacrosse really matters developmentally. Let me tell you why...kids are starting to hit or come out of puberty. You can tell by the 10th grade for 90% of the boys (there are always outliers) who's D1 material or not. How much a boy develops in 8th grades directly impacts whether he makes a F/S, JV or Varsity team as a freshman. Why do you think the top local high school coaches are out at the top 8th grade club games? Because it doesn't matter? Where a boy is slotted in 9th grade often has a direct impact as to his progression. Am I saying an obvious superstar can't leapfrog a bunch of laxers...of course they can but all else being equal higher level generally means better training and competition. Keep deluding yourself that nothing really matters....its like when a coach tells you don't worry because you're not being evaluated...you're always being evaluated.

If you are not at the top of your game and and on a top club at 8th grade you chances are less than 10-20% of going D1. Do some make it. Yes, but that is the minority. Keep saying it doesnt matter and you have time.

This would be BS as DC Express is one of the best teams out there.
Mad lax is better than Crabs or FCA.[/quote]

Agree with DCE being one of the best teams out there..
Don't agree with MadLax statement...[/quote

Madlax beat both crabs and FCA last spring. No way they aren't elite. Richmond Hawks should be too. They are better than both crabs and FCA too.

Agree with DCE being one of the best teams out there..
Don't agree with MadLax statement...[/quote

Madlax beat both crabs and FCA last spring. No way they aren't elite. Richmond Hawks should be too. They are better than both crabs and FCA too. [/quote]
Madlax handled Team 91 MD in the fall. They definitely are an elite team.

Madlax handled Team 91 MD in the fall. They definitely are an elite team.[/quote]
Everyone just wants Madlax to be bad so much. They will always be elite they have lasted 20 years. They might not be the best of the best but the crazy owner will find a way to make his top team elite. It might take him time, it might take him getting kids from a boarding school but he will get them to a elite level team by high school

Everyone just wants Madlax to be bad so much. They will always be elite they have lasted 20 years. They might not be the best of the best but the crazy owner will find a way to make his top team elite. It might take him time, it might take him getting kids from a boarding school but he will get them to a elite level team by high school[/quote]


Who cares what happened last year? New year, new kids... MadLax 2022 kids hit puberty 2 years ago, other teams kids just hitting puberty now. You never know what will happen.

Who will win the Super Bowl next week ??????

Must be Democrats. Level playing field for everyone except them. Holdbacks stay away from the military already too many snowflakes. Please don't shoot you are a year older than me and that's not fair.

Who cares what happened last year? New year, new kids... MadLax 2022 kids hit puberty 2 years ago, other teams kids just hitting puberty now. You never know what will happen.

Who will win the Super Bowl next week ?????? [/quote]
Madlax beat team 91 MD/TX handily less than 3 months ago. Yes, technically last year.

I didn't start playing until my Jr year and ended up on the Cuse National champ team. All players are different and with new clubs exploding out in the West thinking these Md/Va top clubs are the only way into DI you are dead wrong. Show us these stats you speak of - or did you just make them up on the spot to make it sound like you know what you are talking about.

If Crabs make it Evergreen should be considered as a lower top tiered team.

Who cares what happened last year? New year, new kids... MadLax 2022 kids hit puberty 2 years ago, other teams kids just hitting puberty now. You never know what will happen.

Who will win the Super Bowl next week ?????? [/quote]

Da Nile is a river in Egypt. Talent is spread out and the Madlaxs and Crabs of the world no longer have a monopoly. As a parent, I'm looking for a great coaching staff, very competitive roster, strong spring and fall schedule and a great developmental philosophy. Every age group is different. Be a discerning consumer. As an example, the current HC of Utah and former assistant at UNC was a club HC at the Breakers. He put together a phenomenal team and was by far the best squad in his age group. A lot of the boys on that team went high D1. The lesson, do your homework.

Da Nile is a river in Egypt. Talent is spread out and the Madlaxs and Crabs of the world no longer have a monopoly. As a parent, I'm looking for a great coaching staff, very competitive roster, strong spring and fall schedule and a great developmental philosophy. Every age group is different. Be a discerning consumer. As an example, the current HC of Utah and former assistant at UNC was a club HC at the Breakers. He put together a phenomenal team and was by far the best squad in his age group. A lot of the boys on that team went high D1. The lesson, do your homework.
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I agree 100%, same club can have completely different outcomes between teams. I always look for coaching and athletic kids who are willing to work. Couldn't care less what the name on the shirt reads.

Sorry to break it to you, but not everyone takes it seriously. Families don't go no vacation during Crab Feast and other tournaments like that. And clubs would much rather say they won a tournament then a HoCo game. LI clubs don't even have a spring league. A win over LIE, Igloo, 91, PrimeTime are much more gratifying then playing Hawks, FCA, Crabs, DCE, etc over and over.[/quote]

You're right, not everyone does. Most club coaches (for the top club programs) ask that families hold off on vacations until late July or early August. That's a reality among the top clubs. No, middle school intramural games really don't matter and often reinforce bad habits. Of course beating top OCC opponents matter but not any more than beating a strong local rival.

The reality is 8th grade lacrosse really matters developmentally. Let me tell you why...kids are starting to hit or come out of puberty. You can tell by the 10th grade for 90% of the boys (there are always outliers) who's D1 material or not. How much a boy develops in 8th grades directly impacts whether he makes a F/S, JV or Varsity team as a freshman. Why do you think the top local high school coaches are out at the top 8th grade club games? Because it doesn't matter? Where a boy is slotted in 9th grade often has a direct impact as to his progression. Am I saying an obvious superstar can't leapfrog a bunch of laxers...of course they can but all else being equal higher level generally means better training and competition. Keep deluding yourself that nothing really matters....its like when a coach tells you don't worry because you're not being evaluated...you're always being evaluated. [/quote]

If you are not at the top of your game and and on a top club at 8th grade you chances are less than 10-20% of going D1. Do some make it. Yes, but that is the minority. Keep saying it doesnt matter and you have time.
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I didn't start playing until my Jr year and ended up on the Cuse National champ team. All players are different and with new clubs exploding out in the West thinking these Md/Va top clubs are the only way into DI you are dead wrong. Show us these stats you speak of - or did you just make them up on the spot to make it sound like you know what you are talking about. [/quote]

What he is really trying to convince us it that his kid being on a top club in 8th grade means the kid has a 80%-90% chance of being D1. He's not counting on blokes like yourself that come out of nowhere. Or the kids on Tx or Fl that aren't quite D1 football athletes but are far superior athletically to the average AA 8th grader player Hoco this spring.

You're right, not everyone does. Most club coaches (for the top club programs) ask that families hold off on vacations until late July or early August. That's a reality among the top clubs. No, middle school intramural games really don't matter and often reinforce bad habits. Of course beating top OCC opponents matter but not any more than beating a strong local rival.

The reality is 8th grade lacrosse really matters developmentally. Let me tell you why...kids are starting to hit or come out of puberty. You can tell by the 10th grade for 90% of the boys (there are always outliers) who's D1 material or not. How much a boy develops in 8th grades directly impacts whether he makes a F/S, JV or Varsity team as a freshman. Why do you think the top local high school coaches are out at the top 8th grade club games? Because it doesn't matter? Where a boy is slotted in 9th grade often has a direct impact as to his progression. Am I saying an obvious superstar can't leapfrog a bunch of laxers...of course they can but all else being equal higher level generally means better training and competition. Keep deluding yourself that nothing really matters....its like when a coach tells you don't worry because you're not being evaluated...you're always being evaluated. [/quote]

If you are not at the top of your game and and on a top club at 8th grade you chances are less than 10-20% of going D1. Do some make it. Yes, but that is the minority. Keep saying it doesnt matter and you have time.
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I didn't start playing until my Jr year and ended up on the Cuse National champ team. All players are different and with new clubs exploding out in the West thinking these Md/Va top clubs are the only way into DI you are dead wrong. Show us these stats you speak of - or did you just make them up on the spot to make it sound like you know what you are talking about. [/quote]

What he is really trying to convince us it that his kid being on a top club in 8th grade means the kid has a 80%-90% chance of being D1. He's not counting on blokes like yourself that come out of nowhere. Or the kids on Tx or Fl that aren't quite D1 football athletes but are far superior athletically to the average AA 8th grader player Hoco this spring.
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I am not the person who authored the original post and jumping in here. If you are curious check out recruiting rundown and it lists by club. Most players (80-90%) come from a top club team. They may not be HOCO some are west coast but with the evolution of the sport, I disagree that kids that just can't cut it in football will be D1 recruits based on superior athletics. They are different sports. Some football players are 6'6" 300 and could not get on the field in a top level lacrosse game. "Superior Athlete" is overrated in this sport and not what coaches look for in my opinion. I played both sports and like both sports but they are different. I would take a "gamer" or a kid with a high lax IQ over just an Athletic kid. This is not an absolute science but most top D1 lacrosse recruits are also good to great athletes. There will be kids starting JR year and still make a D1 program sure but that will also happen in football and will be an outlier. It does not matter if a player's team wins championships but the way to develop high lax IQ is to play top teams. Sometimes a outstanding player shows better to a coach on a middle of the road team playing top competition.

I'm curious, since you did your homework, what is the developmental philosophy of the club that you associate with and how does it differ from that of other clubs?

You're right, not everyone does. Most club coaches (for the top club programs) ask that families hold off on vacations until late July or early August. That's a reality among the top clubs. No, middle school intramural games really don't matter and often reinforce bad habits. Of course beating top OCC opponents matter but not any more than beating a strong local rival.

The reality is 8th grade lacrosse really matters developmentally. Let me tell you why...kids are starting to hit or come out of puberty. You can tell by the 10th grade for 90% of the boys (there are always outliers) who's D1 material or not. How much a boy develops in 8th grades directly impacts whether he makes a F/S, JV or Varsity team as a freshman. Why do you think the top local high school coaches are out at the top 8th grade club games? Because it doesn't matter? Where a boy is slotted in 9th grade often has a direct impact as to his progression. Am I saying an obvious superstar can't leapfrog a bunch of laxers...of course they can but all else being equal higher level generally means better training and competition. Keep deluding yourself that nothing really matters....its like when a coach tells you don't worry because you're not being evaluated...you're always being evaluated. [/quote]

If you are not at the top of your game and and on a top club at 8th grade you chances are less than 10-20% of going D1. Do some make it. Yes, but that is the minority. Keep saying it doesnt matter and you have time.
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I didn't start playing until my Jr year and ended up on the Cuse National champ team. All players are different and with new clubs exploding out in the West thinking these Md/Va top clubs are the only way into DI you are dead wrong. Show us these stats you speak of - or did you just make them up on the spot to make it sound like you know what you are talking about. [/quote]

What he is really trying to convince us it that his kid being on a top club in 8th grade means the kid has a 80%-90% chance of being D1. He's not counting on blokes like yourself that come out of nowhere. Or the kids on Tx or Fl that aren't quite D1 football athletes but are far superior athletically to the average AA 8th grader player Hoco this spring.
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Clearly reading comprehension is not your strong suit. A high percentage of MD D1 recruits not 80% of the kids playing HOCO. Do the analysis (the data is out on laxpower recruiting website) and show me.....

You're right, not everyone does. Most club coaches (for the top club programs) ask that families hold off on vacations until late July or early August. That's a reality among the top clubs. No, middle school intramural games really don't matter and often reinforce bad habits. Of course beating top OCC opponents matter but not any more than beating a strong local rival.

The reality is 8th grade lacrosse really matters developmentally. Let me tell you why...kids are starting to hit or come out of puberty. You can tell by the 10th grade for 90% of the boys (there are always outliers) who's D1 material or not. How much a boy develops in 8th grades directly impacts whether he makes a F/S, JV or Varsity team as a freshman. Why do you think the top local high school coaches are out at the top 8th grade club games? Because it doesn't matter? Where a boy is slotted in 9th grade often has a direct impact as to his progression. Am I saying an obvious superstar can't leapfrog a bunch of laxers...of course they can but all else being equal higher level generally means better training and competition. Keep deluding yourself that nothing really matters....its like when a coach tells you don't worry because you're not being evaluated...you're always being evaluated. [/quote]

If you are not at the top of your game and and on a top club at 8th grade you chances are less than 10-20% of going D1. Do some make it. Yes, but that is the minority. Keep saying it doesnt matter and you have time.
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I didn't start playing until my Jr year and ended up on the Cuse National champ team. All players are different and with new clubs exploding out in the West thinking these Md/Va top clubs are the only way into DI you are dead wrong. Show us these stats you speak of - or did you just make them up on the spot to make it sound like you know what you are talking about. [/quote]

What he is really trying to convince us it that his kid being on a top club in 8th grade means the kid has a 80%-90% chance of being D1. He's not counting on blokes like yourself that come out of nowhere. Or the kids on Tx or Fl that aren't quite D1 football athletes but are far superior athletically to the average AA 8th grader player Hoco this spring.
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Nor apparently does he care or give consideration to the fact that a great academic pairing for his son's athletic abilities might be at a DII or DIII school. Academics seem to ALMOST be a forgotten consideration on this board. Playing lacrosse, though tons of fun, and MIGHT give you an assist to get into a college/university that you might otherwise be a marginal consideration for, will not pay the bills! You can expect you little D1 millennial to keep up residence in the family home after the conclusion of his "successful" D1 career at say "Canisius" by way of example. No knock on Canisius, but it is no Carnegie Mellon -- oh wait, Carnegie Mellon though a top rated engineering and computer sciences school doesn't even field a men's lacrosse team. Sorry son, they might train you to put the next man on mars, find a cure for cancer, or provide the data administration to the world's most dynamic companies -- but MY dream (I mean YOUR dream) is to play lacrosse at a D1 school! Never forget that, son.

"MadLax 2022 kids hit puberty 2 years ago, other teams kids just hitting puberty now. You never know what will happen."


Your comments prove that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about^^^^. If you actually had a clue, you would know that the MadLax 2022 team is by far one of the smallest and least physically mature when compared to any of the Elite HOCO teams. The reason is because they only had 2 kids last spring who actually hit puberty, meanwhile the opposing teams (FCA, 91, Crabs, RR, Hawks, BLC, etc...) were much more physically mature.

That MadLax team will only get better as they mature physically, unlike many of the teams they're playing who have already hit puberty.

While i agree that Madlax is one of the smaller teams, not sure how you know that exactly 2 kids had hit puberty as of last spring. Seems a little strange.

Simply a guess based one of my kids being on that team. You can tell based on the physical look of a kids facial appearance and their leg development.

Don't insinuate anything nefarious.

This Madlax dad is a total weirdo.

Yeah that didn't help

Most of the people here WOULD rather watch their son play at Canisius than go to Carnegie Mellon. We dont send our boys to prospect camps, spend thousands upon thousands on Club and equipment to throw it all away for some non lacrosse school. Might want to send your kid to Stem camp and join the Tech forum instead of hanging around here.

Many of the kids going to showcases and Canisius will one day be working for those that go to STEM Camp and Carnegie Mellon.

Wouldn't top high school coaches pay more attention to the 7th grade clubs than the 8th considering by the 8th grade spring season most kids have already applied and received acceptance letters?

Watch out for a strong AA team to move up and challenge the precious elites.

Yes. All of the top and even middle of the road kids were courted by MIAA coaches, some more than others, starting in the spring of 7th grade.

API?

LMAO

what does API stand for?

all parents intoxicated
all parents included (as coaches)
jerk parents incorporated
absent proper instruction

Sorry your child did not make the team, Better luck next year. Little advice. If you talk like you write, keep your mouth closed. Coaches notice foul mouthed people.

I think API is the Roman Numeral for 18-6?

It will be much closer than you think this year, wise guy.

OUCH!

Wait, I was told HOCO doesn't matter during middle school? LOL at the amateurs on the Board. Even if you're looking to send your kid to a top notch D3 school, if you want one of their top slots at admissions you better be a very good lacrosse player (they have a national pool to draw from). With a few exceptions, middle school club ball sets the table (obviously there are late bloomers and exceptions) for the first 2-3 years of high school which in turn position a player to be recruited. Some top academic schools only have clubs (CM and GT come to mind), others give almost zero credit for lacrosse (MIT and Swarthmore) while others lacrosse can get you in the door (Ivies, NESCAC, etc).

I heard over the weekend that since so many teams applied to play in the 2022 AA Elite division that HoCo was going to enforce a rule where all players on a roster must live in the state that the team practices to have them on the HoCo roster. If that is true, then Teams like Team91 Maryland that have several players who fly in from Texas for the HoCo games, may not be in HoCo AA Elite this year? Has anyone else heard this?

Actually, it will be much worse this year if we want it to be