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I am a big believer in the old adage that the best coaches get off the bus with the best players.....players win games and coaches lose games is a bunch of B.S.

Tom Coughlin was a great coach when he had talent and fired when he did not.

IMHO the coaching at the PAL level is more important then at the HS level. have a great feeder program and have a great HS program, that is how they did it in WI and SWR and how they constantly do it at CSH, GC, Mann and CSH.

I also don't believe the coaching in travel is that much better if at all then at the HS level. A lot of the travel coaches are HS coaches, they might be able to do more strategy coaching but they have hand picked teams. They can build team offense and team defense because they do not worry about skills or the weaker players where as at most HS you are still working on skills almost all the way through (except at the programs with good feeder programs).

Having said all that I will say that the one team that constantly gets the most out of their outstanding players is WM - really good game day coaches.

So the coaching was good enough to beat Pequa/WM maybe its the players, maybe they were hung over?

Except the two years they lost to Smithtown East.

Who, the coaches? Yes, maybe they were hung over...

If the players were hung over this again is a coaching failure. CSH went up to Middletown the night before to get in the "zone", and took care of business. Syo coaching staff should have brought the team up the night before and made sure the players were well rested and not hung over.... So yes, it was a coaching failure.

Anybody that blames a HS coach for the social behavior of 16-17-18 year old kids is crazy. I would not want to work in a job that was predicated on the actions of someone else teenage kid.

Anybody that blames a HS coach for the social behavior of 16-17-18 year old kids is crazy. I would not want to work in a job that was predicated on the actions of someone else teenage kid.

That's what coaches sign up / get paid for....

I am sorry I feel that parents are asking way too much of coaches these days. Parents need to do a little more parenting. Today parents want to blame everyone else for their child's behavior. Its an absolute joke. Monkey see monkey do, parents. If your smoking the wacky tabacky, if your nipping the bottle every night at the table, what do you think junior will do? Nooo its the coaches fault!! B.S. If you dont check juniors bag before a school sanctioned trip and he gets busted for having alcohol or weed. If you dont look in their wallet for the fake ID and they get in trouble for buying liquor, its not the coaches fault its yours. If parents know the kids vaping and then they get caught vaping at school its your fault not the coaches. Its called parenting. Your children are not your friends. Which is something many parents dont get today. Its always someone else's fault. No parents its yours.

That's what coaches sign up / get paid for....

And they are teachers.....please... they work half a year and get paid as full time people. Plus get PAID to coach. Oh yea get PAID to watch HS games when not coaching..

Following up-
2 recent commits from GC
1 2019 to Brown
1 2018 to Utah

So, maybe it was just early to ask the question .

A varsity coach will enter the players lives around age 15 or 16 years old, they spend 2-3 hours a day with them six days a week from the beginning of March until the end of May and they have 30 to 40 kids to worry about (not just yours). For the $8,000 - $12,000 they get paid they will be responsible for school work, school discipline problems, teaching and advising them on the recruiting process, talk to college coaches on their behalf, getting calls from other teachers about the kids, dealing with parents, (and in many years they have to deal with family tragedy) and they actually coach lacrosse. This same coach may also coach 1 or 2 other sports as well as trying to raise their own families......and every anonymous poster on here think they all suck.... Here is a Thank You to all the coaches and assistant coaches that have to deal with us and for the most part do a damn good job.

Flood gates are opening for GC.....

Another 2019 to Cornell

I think a good number of them do a solid job. Every parent is like a Yankee fan. They expect to win every year and it just doesn't work like that. (No offense to the Yankee fans). So if they don't win Suffolk, or Long Island or the state, it is of course the coaches fault. Now do not get me wrong. They do get paid for it and everyone deserves to get paid. But like I said, some are much more deserving than others. And not everyone covers all the responsibilities that you covered in your post. For example, there is one coach, a long standing coach in Suffolk County on the North Shore who is notorious for doing the bare minimum for his players. And this is a top 10 program that has sent players to college, a number at the D1 top 10 level and if you ask the players or the parents, this coach had absolutely nothing to do with getting them there. It was either the travel coaches or the parents that did all the work. So the point is not all coaches are made the same and some care a [lacrosse] of a lot more about their kids than others.

Ha..was waiting for that response from one of our LI teachers.......academia...most are HS GYM teachers.....get over yourself. HS teachers work half a day for half a year. Please tell me, with your extensive academic knowledge what job is there other than a LI teacher that works half a day/half a year and is paid as a full time employee. Nobody stated that they should coach for free but to try and sell the long/tedious hours thing is silly. Away from family coaching???? cmon...then don't coach.

I'll take my 1/2 a day PE job making 6 figures plus a pension when I retire at 55 and move to Florida and live in the house that coaching is paying for....at the end of the day, no coach wants to lose, but we work with what we have got. Whoever lives in the town and wants to play we coach. With all of the other bs that you non-parenting parents allow your kids to do (heroin for example) I don't mind being the person motivating your kid to do something positive with their lives. For the record, 1 team in each conference finishes their season with a win....someone has to lose. But losing in lacrosse is a lot better than losing in life.

I'll take my 1/2 a day PE job making 6 figures plus a pension when I retire at 55 and move to Florida and live in the house that coaching is paying for....at the end of the day, no coach wants to lose, but we work with what we have got. Whoever lives in the town and wants to play we coach. With all of the other bs that you non-parenting parents allow your kids to do (heroin for example) I don't mind being the person motivating your kid to do something positive with their lives. For the record, 1 team in each conference finishes their season with a win....someone has to lose. But losing in lacrosse is a lot better than losing in life.

1/2 a year? Wow teachers are failing if someone thinks that 10 months out of 12 is half?!

hmmm....contracted work days= typically 180. Days in a year 365. You do the math Einstein... if you can.

By that logic, most workers only work ~235 days per year, so they only work ~65% of the year!

Hmmm.....5 days/week x 52 weeks......common now....260 days/year. I know ur a PE teacher but cmon man. Anyway have a great day.

Hmmm.....5 days/week x 52 weeks......common now....260 days/year. I know ur a PE teacher but cmon man. Anyway have a great day.

I am not a teacher, but if you are going to go with contract days, they you also have to take out for non-teachers' vacation and holidays - they don;t work those days either! So, minute 3 wks (15 days) and the 10 paid holidays. You're not too smart, are you??

Huh???....do teachers get vacation days? Yes. Therefore take the # of vacation days out of the equation. Geez....wake up will ya.

When I was 22, I laughed at anybody that was thinking about teaching as a career

When I was 32 I was making twice as much money as a teacher and laughing at them

When I was 42 I was making 4 times what a teacher was making but working 80 hours a week and missing my kids growing up

When I was 52 I was making about the same as teacher half my age, but I was still working twice as hard

I am 62 and wish I had gone into teaching, I am making less money than when I was 32, I am no where near retiring and i will probably die at my desk.

nice pay, nice benefits, holidays, vacations and summers off with your kids - congrats on a good career choice.

When I was 22, I laughed at anybody that was thinking about teaching as a career

When I was 32 I was making twice as much money as a teacher and laughing at them

When I was 42 I was making 4 times what a teacher was making but working 80 hours a week and missing my kids growing up

When I was 52 I was making about the same as teacher half my age, but I was still working twice as hard

I am 62 and wish I had gone into teaching, I am making less money than when I was 32, I am no where near retiring and i will probably die at my desk.

nice pay, nice benefits, holidays, vacations and summers off with your kids - congrats on a good career choice.

Duh - the 180 "contact days" ARE AFTER school vacations vacations and holidays - they actually have to work those 180 contract days! Again, you're not too bright!


Finally jacka$$- you got it...180 days of work for full years pay. Avg amount of work days/month (10 month school year)-18. And since you probably a HS PE teacher 4 hours work/day. See ya. Have a great day teaching duck-duck-goose

You totally lost that argument dude