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I don't have the exact information written down anymore, but would say for HS aged players for LIE North, it is roughly as follows, depending upon tier (there are AA and A teams for certain grades):

Fall ~6 1 1/2 hour practices, 2-3 tournaments
Winter ~6-8 1 1/2 hour practices, 0 tournaments
Spring 0 practices or tournaments (a few indoor box sessions offered)
Summer ~16 1 1/2 hour practices, 4-5 tournaments

For 2022

1.primetime
2.superstars
3.chargers
4.predators
5.two way
6.express north
7.tristate

Garbage

Any comments on the Eclipse program?

How did all the Westchester teams do in all the different tournaments this past weekend.

For 2023:
1. primetime
2. express north
3. eclipse
4. predators
5. twoway
then: Pride, CT Select, Rhino select, Topside, 81+10 tristate, 3D tristate, Ballers, Westchester Warriors, HOS

Big gap between 2023 PT and the north. PT beat up on the north this weekend at the lax clash 13 to 4 and beat them last week at the big h by 4 or 5 goals.

For 24.

Eclipse , prime time, express north. Fairly equal.

Everyone else below

At 2025, based on comparables:

1) PT
2) Express North (have only played in the fall so far I think)
3) nine d won tristate, ballers, superstars (count them as westchester??), predators

teams not listed - don't know anything about them, am not presuming them to be above or below any of the above.

In the age groups I've seen at two LI tourneys, HOS got spanked in every game they played. These were both 'A' tourneys, so maybe they shouldn't have chosen those.

Express North 2021A-just horrendous.

Express North 2021AA-not a real AA team. But at least not horrendous.

This "ranking" may be accurate but there are major levels between them. PT way up, then North and Eclipse on next level, then Preds and 2way on next level. Then, wow. There are so many "B" teams (or what Long Island considers C or D teams). Most of those teams are smart enough to stick to small tourneys like CT Cup or War Games to find similar competition but the ones that venture out of their element get slaughtered.

Express 2021AA Lost to PT 2021 by two goals and LIE North doesn't have any holdbacks (what % of PT roster is really 2020?). The team is AA.

Not sure only losing by 2 goals means anything. like I said. Not horrendous but not a real AA team. Politics impacts all teams but North 2021AA more than most. Some top notch players but also some that just shouldn't be there. They are somewhere between A and AA but cannot compete with the big boys. That doesn't mean that they are going to get blown out, only that they cannot consistently win.

I do stand by 2021A being totally horrendous. Some good players but too many on that team lacking basic skills. Hard to have success at this level when you have kids that can't catch and throw.

I agree with what you said, but its worth noting that the majority of the "B" teams are true NY 6th grade teams, meaning the large majority of players are 2005s. PT, Express N and Eclipse, due in part to having CT kids, have many 2004s, and maybe a few 2003s. The age difference means something. If these clubs would play in a 2005 division, the B teams will see nearly all of their roster eligible, while the top clubs will have to use a healthy mix of their 2023 and 2024 teams. PT, etc may still be better (who knows), because the kids are very talented, experienced and athletic, but the gap would close significantly - at least for the good B teams.

TRUE. If the club scene ever had to adhere to Sept 1st age limits like US Lacrosse, CONNY and even WSYL are doing, then PT, North and Eclipse would lose at least 50% of their players. I bet 2way with the Brunswick connection would also lose a lot of players, and Preds some as well. You make a good point-- the whole "A" vs "B" thing is totally skewed by clubs who grab older players and don't care about the morals involved. Shameful for parents to hold back kids for sports advantage yet they always justify it. Top clubs love it and claim its a necessary evil to compete against other top clubs.

My son plays on a so called A team with a total of 24 on the roster. Out of the 24 kids 4 or 5 don't make the Sept 1st deadline. That is hardly 1/2 the roster. Take the 4 or 5 kids off the team and guess what they still are a A team. They could hang and beat the most competitive teams in their grade level. It's about talent not age. Size can be intimidating but a true A player no matter how small plays big.

You identified yet another reason to move to birth year. No incentive to hold a kid back. Kids will play based on when they were born, which is a fixed variable that can't be changed.

How do you define the difference between AA and A? If PT 2021 is AA and they only beat Express North by 2 goals (especially considering PT has many holdbacks), then they are an even match. 2 goal difference is a very competitive game.

How does politics impact North 2021AA?

i AGREE WITH That

Be Realistic on the 2022's

1) PT
2) SS
3) Team 91 Tristate, Express N, Predators, 2 Way

Who cares about the Chargers- no consistency or anyone else


You have 4 teams in this year that are relatively equal with SS 2022 barely above them. I hear 91 Tristate is the team to watch. I was told by a parent who's son plays for another AA program on LI who saw them play that these kids are good and play well as a team- Glad to hear that a relatively newer program in Westchester run by a good guy is seeing results!

Political impact=kids on team that never tried out/related to coaches/agreed to reclass. Whatever. It happens everywhere.

Not saying ts 91 is good or bad. But how can you know if they never play any real teams in real tourneys.

PT 2021 was missing 9 players at that tournament...could be why the margin wasn't larger!uyhphp

North AA is A+ at best.

North A is a C team that I'm sure the bosses could care less about. Just selling the dream.

Holdbacks or not PT and Eclipse AA only legit AA around here.

Again, PT2021 won by 2 goals but was playing without 9 of their players! Are there hold backs? Yes, show me a team without them!
Express North 2021AA is a decent team and with a few more good players will be competitive with PT and Eclipse. PT beat Eclipse by 4 at Sweetlax.

ExpressNorth 2021A is a total joke though, I guess parents prefer A over B or C....as they write the check!

For 2024, there isn't much. PT, Preds, Eclipse, Express North, Superstar, Two Way, Ballers cannot compete with LI A/B teams.

Pt , eclipse and express north 2024 are competitive with all but the best teams. Good solid games with. Crabs, Outlaws , bbl, laxachusetts, express Long Island, igloo. Not competitive with 91, legacy, madlax, etc.

maybe crabs and outlaws. Not close with the others and definitely blowouts with AA. Just look at NLF or HHH scores

Like I said. Not competitive with true top teams. Only 2 top teams on the island, 1-2 in philly and then Maryland. But again. It's all relative. Around here pt , express north and eclipse would kick the crap out of. Ballers, superstars, tristate 91 and 3D. And predators. 2 way and Rhino, etc. so. What's your point? Outlaws gold just won the war games at purchase. Outlaws gold is a C team. So what does that make 91 and the ballers. Not to say good players aren't playing on those teams, Just that more play for pt eclipse and express north

To bad New England team took so many 2021 CT kids. no way they can compete with Baltimore oare LI teams which are loaded!!

Methinks some of those CT choices were political. . . . Seems very "strange" to have an entire roster of attacks from same club. Hmmmmm. . . . . Something to do with evaluators rather than talent???

Can you guys elaborate on what your talking about

Eclipse 2024 won legacy tourney. Some quality opponents. Yes I know, no 91, legacy taz, madlax etc. but good win

UnderArmour Team New England 2020/2021 - roster selections a joke this year

Says the PT dad of the kid who got cut.....

UA 2020/2021 team went 6-2 only losing to Baltimore..Coached by the 2020 Express North AA coach...

Show you a 2021AA team with out holdbacks? The LI Express 2021AA team. The team keeps beating teams with MANY holdbacks Laxachusetts, ADVNC San Fransisco.....physical maturity will come with time, how you guys can post on here proudly that "yeah, PT (or whoever) has holdbacks BUT....." give me a break. There is no shame in this sport anymore, what is that teaching the kids? I won't be forced to hold my son back because you people are so insecure and pathetic that you feel your kids must play against younger players to compete.

That's just a flat out inaccurate statement. My sons been on the team since inception: all kids tried out, don't know what kids are related to coaches(?) other than their son and all kids belong on the team, there are no holdbacks. Enjoy your sons time on whatever program he's playing for, no need to attack another.

Hey Westchester, are you the next holdback haven. Seems like many I meet out of that area are knowingly using the holdback loophole.