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YJB just a train wreck that can't get out of its own way at this point. With ball hogs, and stick skills non existent!.[/quote]

B has some quality players and a couple that should be on A. They have the size and atletiscm A desperately needs to hang with the MD clubs.
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This is the B team that lost to Mass Elite 11-5 this weekend? Come on, man![/quote]

True. C is closer to B than B is to A. A is in another stratosphere compared to this YJ B team. Not enough changes have been made and it is now costing Bert.

Agreed. Great game and YJ is a great team. I'm a SW parent and talked to several YJ parents (Hi Eric!). The discussions were genuinely friendly. Too bad we can't have that type of relationship with M&D.

I really liked the YJ's attack. As a unit, maybe the best I have seen. The difference in the game was the draw and our middies. Love watching the YJ goalie play.

B has some quality players and a couple that should be on A. They have the size and atletiscm A desperately needs to hang with the MD clubs.
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This is the B team that lost to Mass Elite 11-5 this weekend? Come on, man![/quote]

True. C is closer to B than B is to A. A is in another stratosphere compared to this YJ B team. Not enough changes have been made and it is now costing Bert.
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It's all about f&f. It makes everyone feel good to say they are on YJB even if the team isn't very good.

It's funny with the the new age requirement it really doesn't affect M&D because they don't play in any US lacrosse sanctioned tournaments. Parents were panicking before good ole SR calmed their fears. M&D 2021 black would have lost 8 girls and M&D 2020 black would have lost 5.....

I don't think YJB is that bad and everyone does seem happy and Bert is one of the best Coaches out there. They do have a few girls that don't pass but that's only because passing options are limited and nobody wants to pass to girls who can't catch the ball. They have middies who have size and speed and can hang with all other A teams including YJA. Bert will straighten this out before Nationals plus a few from C/D will be added and the team will do just fine.

Very glad to be gone from this show! Same go to girls who can't get it done year after year who have already peaked. Better options out there people! CR takes the best girls from other clubs and parks them on the bench. Ask yourself are you better now? It will not change or get better, you have been warned.
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YJB just a train wreck that can't get out of its own way at this point. With ball hogs, and stick skills non existent!.[/quote]

B has some quality players and a couple that should be on A. They have the size and atletiscm A desperately needs to hang with the MD clubs.
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Nope, B can't win a game. Hasn't in three weeks, yet these are the girls Bertolone the "all knowing" thinks he should bring to Nationals? Laughable. An attack that doesn't like to pass and a defense that couldn't cover a bed with a blanket. This team needs to get blown up, it's not working and the parents are losing their minds. Lot of good options on C and even a couple on D, even a few Varsity and JV players on attack, D and middie (although Bert's middies are good, they just can't overcome the attack and D deficiencies). Open your eyes Bert, you're failing CR. Tryout should be interesting.......if there aren't changes, another long summer awaits Bert.[/quote]


This....

Not that bad!? One of the best coaches but haven't won a game. Girls that don't pass because others can't catch. Girls who have size and speed and can hang with yja but they dont pass or cannot catch! All this will be ok because bert is gong to take girls from c and d. Did I miss something?

YJ B first line can get it done. There is big drop off on second line. Bert will whip them into shape or replace them. As far as the attack passing, some do, some don't, like every other team. Defense needs help but Bert will fix that. His defense wins State Championships.
Playing in the higher divisions this year also changes things. Previous years, played in lower divisions.

The fact that recruiting is restricted this year and next also plays a part in the plan. These girls will get better and better with Bert and any of them that want to Play at a high level in college will. They'll be ready.

So you are obviously a parent of a large midfielder on the B team who thinks your daughter belongs on the A team. You throw your daughters teammates under the bus and blame the teams struggles on the "other girls". You must be making a lot of friends on that team, lol.

She couldn't hang with the A team, and friends are a second thought.

They should swap line 1B with line 2A! A would be a real powerhouse.

Nope, he'll just keep posting on social media how much he "loves this team" as they continue to go 0-3-2 at tournaments....talk about your head in the sand. There are better options available but he hasn't opened his eyes for two years, just keeps running the same attack and defense out there. It's not working Bert and you're letting CR down. He added only one girl from C for the Nationals (very well deserved by the way), that's it. Other than that, he's taking his team down there. More of the same. All from the "great coach"........

Well deserved? Lol... it's a F&F and a daddy coach's kid. Get real

Don't waste your money on UA 150 next year the only coaches here are the D2&3 coaches that are coaching the teams.

Ditto. My kids first game, not one coach

Only 20 schools signed in and 18 of them are coaching the teams

Does this mean that there will not be coaches at the Nike event next week?

I hear you, but that particular kid can play. She's a force on both sides of the ball. My daughter plays with her on C.

What did people expect, there was no tryout just submit your kids bio! None of the top tier kids even bothered with this.

Both UA and Nike are money grabs. I don't understand why parents keep taking the bait. Spend your time and cash at
Prospect days and specific colleges that your daughter may be interested in. My guess is that a large percentage of the girls attend Nike and UA because mommy and daddy told them to. Most
would rather be spending the remaining days of summer hanging with their friends.

Not accurate. The Nike 120 elite was insanely good and that's why UA copied it. But seems to have failed. Just like Brine tried to copy the UA All America tournament and failed. I have been to just about every major recruiting tournament and the coaches at the Nike sidelines blew them all away by 5X. Maybe someday the UA 150 will gain steam, maybe not. Also worried what the Nike 120 will look like this year, they just completely changed age groups and most importantly they changed the date. It used to be a dead of the winter deal, the only game in town. Now it is smack in the middle of the million summer recruit tournaments. Will it still gain the coaches attention or are they burnt out by this point in the summer? Guess we will see. UA has the All America tournament, which is the highest level of lacrosse for these kids period, it is very successful, they do a great job with it, maybe they should leave this combine thing to Nike.

B has some quality players and a couple that should be on A. They have the size and atletiscm A desperately needs to hang with the MD clubs.
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This is the B team that lost to Mass Elite 11-5 this weekend? Come on, man![/quote]

True. C is closer to B than B is to A. A is in another stratosphere compared to this YJ B team. Not enough changes have been made and it is now costing Bert.
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They like to think they are in the same class as A because they had a few practices side by side at KK, and they scrimmaged a few times. Worlds apart, zero chemistry and they will never get there, especially since his favorites are the ones who hurt that team. But they will all tell you how "close" our scrimmages were. Not even on the same planet. SMH

What the heck are you talking about? The 21s have 2 girls with birthdays at the end of August. That's it.

The top kids, from the top Maryland clubs are there. I get it that the colleges aren't there but the talent showed up

True some great lacrosse being played but sold as a recruiting event with no coaches..... look st the list on the website and ask to see who signed in.

You hit the nail right on the head. Wonderful opportunity for the girls to continue playing after summer season has ended, but if you think UA and Nike120 are gonna help in the recruitment process, think again (especially for 2021s)

Question??????? Are you even there?? You quote the website?? I ask this because you are spouting incorrect information. There are a lot of coaches watching games. I am here. Have seen quite a few high D1 coaches actually sitting on the parents side along with D2 and D3. Many are walking around speaking with the coaches of the teams playing. Maybe some are keeping a lower profile while watching the 21's. Stop being a hater. if your gonna quote the website look at the rosters, many top players on them from a lot of the better teams. Is every top player here....of course not, but the level of play is really good and the experience for the girls is good.

Hit the nail on the head? My other kid got 4-5 looks from good schools at a
The Elite 120...That's where the process began to acceralate . If you don't have first hand knowledge best to pass on fake news comments

Funny how parents feel D2 and D3 is not good enough for their 13 year old. The D1 or bust parents crack me up!

This is the B team that lost to Mass Elite 11-5 this weekend? Come on, man![/quote]

True. C is closer to B than B is to A. A is in another stratosphere compared to this YJ B team. Not enough changes have been made and it is now costing Bert.
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They like to think they are in the same class as A because they had a few practices side by side at KK, and they scrimmaged a few times. Worlds apart, zero chemistry and they will never get there, especially since his favorites are the ones who hurt that team. But they will all tell you how "close" our scrimmages were. Not even on the same planet. SMH[/quote]

Agreed. His "favorites" are really doing an excellent job.....of wrecking the team. Attack doesn't pass, defense doesn't defend, too much to ask I guess? There have to be changes this fall, no? No wins in the last three tournaments, tons of goals given up.......changes better be made.

The original poster was talking about the UA 150, not the Nike 120. Which are you talking about?

Hasn't the world changed? Why would a college coach care about a rising freshman at a summer showcase? The coaches can watch sophomores play for their high school in the spring or watch rising juniors play over the summer before they need to show any interest. Guessing which 14 year old, who is dominant during a summer showcase, will develop into a good college lacrosse player when they are 20 years old seems almost impossible...a coin flip at best. Freshman and sophomore showcases are going to become more about development than recruiting...which is a good thing.

Elite 120 ...

Some D3s are great. NESCACs and others are great academic schools and competitive lacrosse. D2, not so much. Academics are not good almost universally at D2 schools. Sorry. Now here comes the "elitist" crap. It's just a fact.

Huh???? They are already there. They are watching games. Use your brain just a little...offers arent being made but hey, good lax is being played. Just a heads up...College Coaches don't go and watch high school games......they are coaching their own college teams.

Numbers of coaches watching 2021s during the summer is way down this year. Next year the number of coaches watching rising freshman in the summer will be down even further. Coaches are mainly at the 2019 games...maybe they stop and watch a little of a 2021 game if they are at a tournament, but they want to see 2019s this summer.

There are plenty of coaches at NY and New England state playoff games where the season ends after Memorial Day...and remember that most college coaches wrap up their season in early May. And if there are more uncommitted kids on the high school fields, there will be a lot of college coaches either watching live or on tape high school games. There are now a lot of live games streamed online. If I was a college coach, I would value seeing high school games more than summer games.

Before the early recruiting era, the Baltimore high schools played on Fridays and all of the local college coaches were at those games. During the early recruiting era it made little sense for a college coach to go to those games because the kids that they were recruiting were barely impact players since they were freshman and sophomores. It didn't make sense for a coach to watch a high school game where all of the recruitable players are already committed.

The world has changed.

True. C is closer to B than B is to A. A is in another stratosphere compared to this YJ B team. Not enough changes have been made and it is now costing Bert.
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They like to think they are in the same class as A because they had a few practices side by side at KK, and they scrimmaged a few times. Worlds apart, zero chemistry and they will never get there, especially since his favorites are the ones who hurt that team. But they will all tell you how "close" our scrimmages were. Not even on the same planet. SMH[/quote]

Agreed. His "favorites" are really doing an excellent job.....of wrecking the team. Attack doesn't pass, defense doesn't defend, too much to ask I guess? There have to be changes this fall, no? No wins in the last three tournaments, tons of goals given up.......changes better be made.
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There will be no changes, except for the attack and midi that move up.

They like to think they are in the same class as A because they had a few practices side by side at KK, and they scrimmaged a few times. Worlds apart, zero chemistry and they will never get there, especially since his favorites are the ones who hurt that team. But they will all tell you how "close" our scrimmages were. Not even on the same planet. SMH[/quote]

Agreed. His "favorites" are really doing an excellent job.....of wrecking the team. Attack doesn't pass, defense doesn't defend, too much to ask I guess? There have to be changes this fall, no? No wins in the last three tournaments, tons of goals given up.......changes better be made.
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There will be no changes, except for the attack and midi that move up.[/quote]

And (1) D. CR will finally realize after seeing this team get blown out by SW over and over that they need some bigger stronger girls to compete with MD teams.

Agreed. His "favorites" are really doing an excellent job.....of wrecking the team. Attack doesn't pass, defense doesn't defend, too much to ask I guess? There have to be changes this fall, no? No wins in the last three tournaments, tons of goals given up.......changes better be made.
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There will be no changes, except for the attack and midi that move up.[/quote]

And (1) D. CR will finally realize after seeing this team get blown out by SW over and over that they need some bigger stronger girls to compete with MD teams.
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This is comical, here we go again, it must be try out time again as same joker keeps preaching how team needs his big strong second team daughter, lol. This was non stop last year going into try outs. THere is one large strong kid out there that could make this team, and she's not on B team, she is from another club entirely.

There will be no changes, except for the attack and midi that move up.[/quote]

And (1) D. CR will finally realize after seeing this team get blown out by SW over and over that they need some bigger stronger girls to compete with MD teams.
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This is comical, here we go again, it must be try out time again as same joker keeps preaching how team needs his big strong second team daughter, lol. This was non stop last year going into try outs. THere is one large strong kid out there that could make this team, and she's not on B team, she is from another club entirely. [/quote]

I thinks it comical that you are back here telling us your daughter is the only big strong girl that can make the team and she's not a YJ!
Did she get overlooked last tyroot or a TG holdout?