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I was at the game in the stands and I am a SSHS parent. I was unaware of any improper behavior by Wantagh parents/fans. Great game. The boys on both teams played hard.


Same here SSHS parent, stayed to the very end, did not see any of this behavior, both teams played a hard fought game.

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A lot of credit to WM for yesterday's win. It was 5-3 at the half when they came out and turned it on. That and also twice as many shot as Northport an winning 25 of 28 faceoffs usually get's it done.

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Southside upsets Wantagh with as horrible offside call in addition to the horrendous coaching of Wantagh HyE352not being to make adjustments


Wantagh has been a huge disappointment. The coaching staff needs to go. They have had so much talent over the last 5-6 years and do well in spite of the horrible head coach. He can never coach a win in a big game. Don't know why the school keeps him around. Being a district gym teacher does not make you a coach. So bad!!!



The talent is not there for Wantagh this year. They have not won a game against any of the top teams. Lost to Hewlett, Garden City, Manhassett. Coaching is always the way the parents blame a lost. Team is just not good this year.


Wantagh didn't play anyone! When they did they lost. They almost lost against Seaford. How can you say it coaching?


Your comment means it is all the players fault? Are the coaches held responsible in this scenario as well? Are you saying they have no talent but the coaching got them past Seaford!?


obviously there is some talent on Wantagh. but you are making it sound as if the coaches are losing the game. you sound silly. You lost to South Side. No disrespect but they are just an average team as is Seaford. These teams have not beaten anyone either. If you were as talented as you think then you would have easily beat them on talent alone and moved on to the next round. You didn't lose in the final against a top team????



I agree it is far from 100% the coaches but past history tells you that something is not working. There has been some tremendous talent come thru the program over the years and they are always in the playoffs and in at least the semi's and always the quarters on most occasions. They have not won the counties since 2001. Are you saying there has not been enough talent in the past 16 years? I would agree in some years but like another poster said, there is no game plan, no halftime adjustments...trust me I know from experience

Again it is not all coaching but I would think after many empty years with high expectations and poor results it might be time to move in another direction.

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How can the kids buy in to a broken system. Wantagh gets out coached every year. Is it the kids every single year? The kids change yet the result is always the same. The coach is the only constant. Alot of those same kids play football and baseball. Why would they buy in there but not into lax.


It's the kids, they are not a team, they are individuals wearing the same uniform.


And who is to blame? It starts with the coach. The seasons outcome relies on what this coach gets from the JV. Wantagh has a do nothing coach that divides the kids into those that can do no right and those that can do no wrong. I guess 16 years without a big win is always the kids fault year after year. If the kids are not a team who do you blame? The kids? It's the coaches job to get the kids to buy in. Not happening here. Just a teacher with a side job. Nothing more. He should step aside and give the kids a chance.


No senior leadership, no off season workouts, no communication between upperclassmen and the boys coming up. It's the players, they have no cohesion, that's not on the coach


A lot of very big ego's on this team & that is the parents fault not the coaches.


IMHO, this is a coaching issue. If you have that many kids, and family with egos it is up to the coach to keep them in check. It is also on the coach to make sure the upperclassmen, especially the captains, get the incoming varsity kids up to speed, and lay out a regiment for the captains to implement during the off season. If none of this is implemented by the captains it is on the coach to demote the kid, no matter how talented, and if still no change then outright bench them, what the [lacrosse] you're losing anyway, you might as well have some moral compass along the way. This also goes for the families of players, if parents or siblings are out of control then send a message to them by benching the player and let it be known why. Coaches need to grow a backbone and regain control of there programs. This coach needs to go, NO I DO NOT HAVE A KID ON THE TEAM, I don't even have a son. This is about coaching not gender or bias

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Note to BOTC, you win some you lose some. The coaches and refs aren't to blame. Sometimes your sons team was just not good enough. But that's sports, there is always a loser and a winner. It's okay. That's why there are high school sports, to teach them teamwork, spirit and to handle adversity. It's good for them. So don't be sad, and don't blame the coach or the referee, just tell your boy he did great!


A bad coach can 100% influence on the outcome of a game. Poor substitutions, poor player management, poor preparation and a poor work ethic that the coach brings to the team. Late to practice, first to leave practice. Just like a good coach can also influence the outcome of a game in his teams favor. Just replace poor with great in the previous sentences. Coach comes early, leaves late and is prepared everyday. Coaching is more than just putting players on the field. It's about preparation, practices that are well planned and intense like game situations. You play like you practice and if you don't practice with intensity you will play the same way. When you play an opponent that is just as equally skilled as your team the coaching and preparation makes all the difference. Thats why good coaches are in such high demand. Many are not aware of what it takes to have a successful lacrosse program on Long Island. Look at Chaminade with the talent that they have and all the D1 and top D3 commits they have I am surprised they lose a game. Yet a well coach team with 10 good players can beat a horribly coached team with 10 great players any day.


Quality of coaching Has the greatest influence on a HS program's success.

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How can the kids buy in to a broken system. Wantagh gets out coached every year. Is it the kids every single year? The kids change yet the result is always the same. The coach is the only constant. Alot of those same kids play football and baseball. Why would they buy in there but not into lax.


It's the kids, they are not a team, they are individuals wearing the same uniform.


And who is to blame? It starts with the coach. The seasons outcome relies on what this coach gets from the JV. Wantagh has a do nothing coach that divides the kids into those that can do no right and those that can do no wrong. I guess 16 years without a big win is always the kids fault year after year. If the kids are not a team who do you blame? The kids? It's the coaches job to get the kids to buy in. Not happening here. Just a teacher with a side job. Nothing more. He should step aside and give the kids a chance.


No senior leadership, no off season workouts, no communication between upperclassmen and the boys coming up. It's the players, they have no cohesion, that's not on the coach


A lot of very big ego's on this team & that is the parents fault not the coaches.


IMHO, this is a coaching issue. If you have that many kids, and family with egos it is up to the coach to keep them in check. It is also on the coach to make sure the upperclassmen, especially the captains, get the incoming varsity kids up to speed, and lay out a regiment for the captains to implement during the off season. If none of this is implemented by the captains it is on the coach to demote the kid, no matter how talented, and if still no change then outright bench them, what the [lacrosse] you're losing anyway, you might as well have some moral compass along the way. This also goes for the families of players, if parents or siblings are out of control then send a message to them by benching the player and let it be known why. Coaches need to grow a backbone and regain control of there programs. This coach needs to go, NO I DO NOT HAVE A KID ON THE TEAM, I don't even have a son. This is about coaching not gender or bias


This is the reason that Wantagh can't win. From the posts above there are some real issues with the 2017 & 2018 grades. Specifically with the Captains of the team. This more of a parent issue then a coach issue. Good luck.


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Wantagh coach has stayed way longer than he should have. Time for him to get out of the way.

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Your main kid and captain a lot more goals then assist.

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Bring the screaming idiot back from Farmingdale

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Now thats funny!!! "Coaches need to grow a backbone..." any coach today that 'grows a backbone' will be out on his [lacrosse] as per the lunatic parents that are running the show at just about every HS on long island!! Gimme a break!

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Now thats funny!!! "Coaches need to grow a backbone..." any coach today that 'grows a backbone' will be out on his [lacrosse] as per the lunatic parents that are running the show at just about every HS on long island!! Gimme a break!


So I guess that explains a lot about who coaches play. This is the sad state of affairs of lacrosse on Long Island. Seen it happen all the time better players sitting on the bench all the while the chosen ones are running out of gas on the field making bad decisions and horrible plays.

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So if your kid doesn't play the coach sucks, if the team loses the coach sucks. Maybe your kid and the rest of the team are just not that good.

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Now thats funny!!! "Coaches need to grow a backbone..." any coach today that 'grows a backbone' will be out on his [lacrosse] as per the lunatic parents that are running the show at just about every HS on long island!! Gimme a break!


So I guess that explains a lot about who coaches play. This is the sad state of affairs of lacrosse on Long Island. Seen it happen all the time better players sitting on the bench all the while the chosen ones are running out of gas on the field making bad decisions and horrible plays.


Are you sure?

Most coaches want to win, and play the kids who give best chance of achieving that objective. Maybe one or two cases (Manhasset last year), but generally coaches play the right kids. Unless you are at every practice and can see each kid play within the offense or defense you can't assess who the best kids are within the program framework. Just because a kid is a star at a recruiting event where individual play is the norm, doesn't mean the same kid is best fit for a given team's offense / defense.

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Now thats funny!!! "Coaches need to grow a backbone..." any coach today that 'grows a backbone' will be out on his [lacrosse] as per the lunatic parents that are running the show at just about every HS on long island!! Gimme a break!


So I guess that explains a lot about who coaches play. This is the sad state of affairs of lacrosse on Long Island. Seen it happen all the time better players sitting on the bench all the while the chosen ones are running out of gas on the field making bad decisions and horrible plays.


Are you sure?

Most coaches want to win, and play the kids who give best chance of achieving that objective. Maybe one or two cases (Manhasset last year), but generally coaches play the right kids. Unless you are at every practice and can see each kid play within the offense or defense you can't assess who the best kids are within the program framework. Just because a kid is a star at a recruiting event where individual play is the norm, doesn't mean the same kid is best fit for a given team's offense / defense.


100% sure. There are coaches that play players based on family ties, club ties, booster club ties over other players. It's sad but true. Also some coaches couldn't see talent if it smacked them in the face.

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Now thats funny!!! "Coaches need to grow a backbone..." any coach today that 'grows a backbone' will be out on his [lacrosse] as per the lunatic parents that are running the show at just about every HS on long island!! Gimme a break!


So I guess that explains a lot about who coaches play. This is the sad state of affairs of lacrosse on Long Island. Seen it happen all the time better players sitting on the bench all the while the chosen ones are running out of gas on the field making bad decisions and horrible plays.


Are you sure?

Most coaches want to win, and play the kids who give best chance of achieving that objective. Maybe one or two cases (Manhasset last year), but generally coaches play the right kids. Unless you are at every practice and can see each kid play within the offense or defense you can't assess who the best kids are within the program framework. Just because a kid is a star at a recruiting event where individual play is the norm, doesn't mean the same kid is best fit for a given team's offense / defense.


100% sure. There are coaches that play players based on family ties, club ties, booster club ties over other players. It's sad but true. Also some coaches couldn't see talent if it smacked them in the face.


Maybe the coaches aren't wearing the same kind of rose colored glasses you use to assess your son's ability. Oh, and you can always have your kid transfer to SA or Chaminade, they are always looking for top notch talent.

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Now thats funny!!! "Coaches need to grow a backbone..." any coach today that 'grows a backbone' will be out on his [lacrosse] as per the lunatic parents that are running the show at just about every HS on long island!! Gimme a break!


So I guess that explains a lot about who coaches play. This is the sad state of affairs of lacrosse on Long Island. Seen it happen all the time better players sitting on the bench all the while the chosen ones are running out of gas on the field making bad decisions and horrible plays.


Are you sure?

Most coaches want to win, and play the kids who give best chance of achieving that objective. Maybe one or two cases (Manhasset last year), but generally coaches play the right kids. Unless you are at every practice and can see each kid play within the offense or defense you can't assess who the best kids are within the program framework. Just because a kid is a star at a recruiting event where individual play is the norm, doesn't mean the same kid is best fit for a given team's offense / defense.


100% sure. There are coaches that play players based on family ties, club ties, booster club ties over other players. It's sad but true. Also some coaches couldn't see talent if it smacked them in the face.


Maybe the coaches aren't wearing the same kind of rose colored glasses you use to assess your son's ability. Oh, and you can always have your kid transfer to SA or Chaminade, they are always looking for top notch talent.


My brother you are on point!

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Now thats funny!!! "Coaches need to grow a backbone..." any coach today that 'grows a backbone' will be out on his [lacrosse] as per the lunatic parents that are running the show at just about every HS on long island!! Gimme a break!


So I guess that explains a lot about who coaches play. This is the sad state of affairs of lacrosse on Long Island. Seen it happen all the time better players sitting on the bench all the while the chosen ones are running out of gas on the field making bad decisions and horrible plays.


Are you sure?

Most coaches want to win, and play the kids who give best chance of achieving that objective. Maybe one or two cases (Manhasset last year), but generally coaches play the right kids. Unless you are at every practice and can see each kid play within the offense or defense you can't assess who the best kids are within the program framework. Just because a kid is a star at a recruiting event where individual play is the norm, doesn't mean the same kid is best fit for a given team's offense / defense.


100% sure. There are coaches that play players based on family ties, club ties, booster club ties over other players. It's sad but true. Also some coaches couldn't see talent if it smacked them in the face.


Maybe the coaches aren't wearing the same kind of rose colored glasses you use to assess your son's ability. Oh, and you can always have your kid transfer to SA or Chaminade, they are always looking for top notch talent.


My brother you are on point!


Maybe St Anthony's - Chaminade doesn't take transfers (or recruits athletic talent)

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How do Varsity Public School players receive awards such as all county or all division? Is it pushed by their Coach? Thanks in advance for your information.

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How do Varsity Public School players receive awards such as all county or all division? Is it pushed by their Coach? Thanks in advance for your information.


Yes it is initially pushed by HC.

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SJB Admin promising change out of all coach's for next season in the boys lax program. There have been many complaints for last three years. Biggest complaint is with the D coach and his son. Special treatment for son, O coaches can't yell at him, while all the better players get there fair share of tongue lashings, he coaches his son and goes against the other coaches openly for selfish reasons, big distraction for the team. This team had some talent but because of the selfish father & son they won 3 games. The D coach is a big head case and is disliked by the other coaches but the head coach didn't reign him in. So there are all suppose to be going???

The exact reason why High School fathers' should not coach their sons.



This was a 3 year disaster for SJB as a team. Father was a completed nut case. Giving his son every advantage he could. Funny thing is the reality is he only hurt the kid. The kid is really at a disadvantage because of the fathers controlling ways. This has been a big team distraction and caused an issue on a daily bases.



Unfortunately this coach is well known in the travel lax circuit and caused many issues favoring his son. Had his son play when he should have, extra playing time ect. I am sure that is why he chose to coach SJB, so he could manipulate the situation in his son's favor. This is not uncommon in youth sports but he went above and beyond with coaching HS. Shame on SJB for letting this happen.



The SJB D coach is a clown and has caused many issues in years past in travel lax in East Islip and at SJB. This guys should not be allowed to coach period. He is a typically father living through his son. Boy he must be disappointed.






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How do Varsity Public School players receive awards such as all county or all division? Is it pushed by their Coach? Thanks in advance for your information.


head coach starts the process, but opposing coaches in the same conference vote too.

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Now thats funny!!! "Coaches need to grow a backbone..." any coach today that 'grows a backbone' will be out on his [lacrosse] as per the lunatic parents that are running the show at just about every HS on long island!! Gimme a break!


So I guess that explains a lot about who coaches play. This is the sad state of affairs of lacrosse on Long Island. Seen it happen all the time better players sitting on the bench all the while the chosen ones are running out of gas on the field making bad decisions and horrible plays.


Are you sure?

Most coaches want to win, and play the kids who give best chance of achieving that objective. Maybe one or two cases (Manhasset last year), but generally coaches play the right kids. Unless you are at every practice and can see each kid play within the offense or defense you can't assess who the best kids are within the program framework. Just because a kid is a star at a recruiting event where individual play is the norm, doesn't mean the same kid is best fit for a given team's offense / defense.


100% sure. There are coaches that play players based on family ties, club ties, booster club ties over other players. It's sad but true. Also some coaches couldn't see talent if it smacked them in the face.


Maybe the coaches aren't wearing the same kind of rose colored glasses you use to assess your son's ability. Oh, and you can always have your kid transfer to SA or Chaminade, they are always looking for top notch talent.
Or maybe it is you who has the family, club, and booster ties and "work it" so your kid keeps playing....

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Now thats funny!!! "Coaches need to grow a backbone..." any coach today that 'grows a backbone' will be out on his [lacrosse] as per the lunatic parents that are running the show at just about every HS on long island!! Gimme a break!


So I guess that explains a lot about who coaches play. This is the sad state of affairs of lacrosse on Long Island. Seen it happen all the time better players sitting on the bench all the while the chosen ones are running out of gas on the field making bad decisions and horrible plays.


Are you sure?

Most coaches want to win, and play the kids who give best chance of achieving that objective. Maybe one or two cases (Manhasset last year), but generally coaches play the right kids. Unless you are at every practice and can see each kid play within the offense or defense you can't assess who the best kids are within the program framework. Just because a kid is a star at a recruiting event where individual play is the norm, doesn't mean the same kid is best fit for a given team's offense / defense.


100% sure. There are coaches that play players based on family ties, club ties, booster club ties over other players. It's sad but true. Also some coaches couldn't see talent if it smacked them in the face.


Maybe the coaches aren't wearing the same kind of rose colored glasses you use to assess your son's ability. Oh, and you can always have your kid transfer to SA or Chaminade, they are always looking for top notch talent.
Or maybe it is you who has the family, club, and booster ties and "work it" so your kid keeps playing....


You're a cry baby.

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I'm confused, I agree that if the rule in NYS is "four years" of play than they should accept punishment and move on. But what gets me is that you routinely see other top lacrosse schools that offer PG programs that play fifth year seniors or PG players and this seems to be just fine as it relates to rankings and recruiting. Just look at the rankings on Inside Lacrosse every year. Most of the top teams are playing fifth year kids anyway, not to mention that like St. Anthony's they recruit kids to play there and are not restricted to set geographic boundaries like the public schools. Isn't it time to have two classifications in the rankings, one for geographically restricted public schools and one for non geographically restricted private schools with PG kids. Not trying to take anything away from either school type but I think it would offer a more even playing field in determining rankings. Lets call it what it is, private and private PG schools have an upper hand both in geography of recruits as well as fifth year players on their rosters. It creates an uneven playing field. If private and private PG schools were in one classification and public schools were in another as it relates to rankings this incident wouldn't even be an issue. I am all for the teams crossing over and playing each other, but we need separate classifications at this point.




1). There are many public schools with hold backs/pg's what ever you want to call them on them. It is not only privates.

2). There is a NFHS (National Federation of State High Schools) rules which dictate the years of eligibility. I believe it states between year 9 and 12 you can only have 4 years of eligibility, the real scammers are those that repeat 8th (not skip 8th grade) to gain the 5 year. Many true privates aren't NFHS schools and don't following that rule. You want to get technical, there is a rule you can't play two games in one day. Not so sure the better public Ct schools play by that rule or else the dominoes would fall fast.

3). Lets not talk harp on geographic boundaries. The distance some towns across this state have are seemingly limitless. The schools with high enrollemet and lower enrollment both have competitive teams

4). Recruiting, yes coaches are involved with Club teams and can say hey why not come to my school. But as to actively recruit not to sure about that. Maybe the top 1% but who wouldnt reach out to see if interest is there. You are telling me some towns dont lure and reach out and say why dont you move here and we can have a special team, that happens as well.

5). Even playing field, How even is Wm playing against Lindy Sachem East Whitman Huntington. or Pequa vs Union Baldwin Oceanside Freeport
How about playing competitive Li lacrosse. Stop the BS and make power ranking and then do a tournament of Champions


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I doubt an school ever played 2 games in one day during HS season. As far as individual players, you need a full overnight before you can play a second game. You can dress and be on the bench but can't step on the field.


1. Not true, no public schools have any player ever playing after their senior year. Not talking about an eighth grader playing varsity and than playing four more years for a total of five years. Talking about players playing HS level lacrosse after graduation.

2. This is true but again an eight grader repeating like this is really rare in the public schools.

3., 4. Once again public schools have far smaller geographic boundaries and public school coaches recruiting kids from other towns to move their families so Johnny can play lacrosse?? Never happens, as a matter of fact I can only think of one or two occasions this happened (Hicksville to Sachem a few years back).

5. Really?, I think you missed the point again. We are talking about an even playing field among the top teams. All conferences and divisions have weaker teams, no way to get around that. While I agree there should be a better system than what is in place for making sure lower level teams play fewer upper level teams, The point is when we are talking about the top teams there should be a separation between public and private. Not trying to take anything away from the privates and the PG schools i think they play great lacrosse and the teams should cross over and play each other, it makes for great lacrosse but when it comes to rankings it just unfair.

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Great game between Smithtown East and Connetquot. One again C-quot coaching suspect. C-quot should be good next year, returning a lot of seniors but will depend on defense. They give up a lot of goals. East Vs. West should be great match up!

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you are wrong. if you son was born in march, and entered kindergarden when he was 5, he will be 18 when he graduates. Unless he entered kindergarden when he was 4.

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The committee has just had our weekly meeting and feel it is time again to make a ruling, so here goes.

An "on age" kid born Between Dec. 1st and June (what ever the date of the graduation is) will be 18 at the time of their graduation. A kid born between 9/1 and 11/30 can also be 18 at graduation and not be considered a hold back if they started kindergarten late.

If you are 19 or will turn 19 the summer after graduation you are a hold back.

The committee is not passing judgement just making an official ruling.

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[quote=Anonymous]I'm confused, I agree that if the rule in NYS is "four years" of play than they should accept punishment and move on. But what gets me is that you routinely see other top lacrosse schools that offer PG programs that play fifth year seniors or PG players and this seems to be just fine as it relates to rankings and recruiting. Just look at the rankings on Inside Lacrosse every year. Most of the top teams are playing fifth year kids anyway, not to mention that like St. Anthony's they recruit kids to play there and are not restricted to set geographic boundaries like the public schools. Isn't it time to have two classifications in the rankings, one for geographically restricted public schools and one for non geographically restricted private schools with PG kids. Not trying to take anything away from either school type but I think it would offer a more even playing field in determining rankings. Lets call it what it is, private and private PG schools have an upper hand both in geography of recruits as well as fifth year players on their rosters. It creates an uneven playing field. If private and private PG schools were in one classification and public schools were in another as it relates to rankings this incident wouldn't even be an issue. I am all for the teams crossing over and playing each other, but we need separate classifications at this point.




1). There are many public schools with hold backs/pg's what ever you want to call them on them. It is not only privates.

2). There is a NFHS (National Federation of State High Schools) rules which dictate the years of eligibility. I believe it states between year 9 and 12 you can only have 4 years of eligibility, the real scammers are those that repeat 8th (not skip 8th grade) to gain the 5 year. Many true privates aren't NFHS schools and don't following that rule. You want to get technical, there is a rule you can't play two games in one day. Not so sure the better public Ct schools play by that rule or else the dominoes would fall fast.

3). Lets not talk harp on geographic boundaries. The distance some towns across this state have are seemingly limitless. The schools with high enrollemet and lower enrollment both have competitive teams

4). Recruiting, yes coaches are involved with Club teams and can say hey why not come to my school. But as to actively recruit not to sure about that. Maybe the top 1% but who wouldnt reach out to see if interest is there. You are telling me some towns dont lure and reach out and say why dont you move here and we can have a special team, that happens as well.

5). Even playing field, How even is Wm playing against Lindy Sachem East Whitman Huntington. or Pequa vs Union Baldwin Oceanside Freeport
How about playing competitive Li lacrosse. Stop the BS and make power ranking and then do a tournament of Champions


Point 2

I doubt an school ever played 2 games in one day during HS season. As far as individual players, you need a full overnight before you can play a second game. You can dress and be on the bench but can't step on the field.



Point 2,

Wonder if any LI, West, CT or NJ teams have played a Jv or Varsity game in the same day same location and were stupid enough to have players play in both (and play not just suit up). i also believe there is a max amount of game you can play. That would be similar to the ridiculous ruling that hampered a basketball team a few years back (Freeport maybe).

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Some of the funniest stuff I've read with regards to the SJB coach. Obviously disgruntled parents. Anyone who has paid attention knows he's the only one that coaches the team. The HC is checked out. The future is not bright because there are no players. I'd like to see Danowski play with no face off man, no lefty attackman, overmatched underclassmen on defense and juniors that are just not good. I have a big decision to make with my son who I'm glad played on JV. I thought the program was turning around but that's obviously not the case. I should have known when it took 2 weeks into the season to get a practice pinnie that there was something seriously wrong.

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Some of the funniest stuff I've read with regards to the SJB coach. Obviously disgruntled parents. Anyone who has paid attention knows he's the only one that coaches the team. The HC is checked out. The future is not bright because there are no players. I'd like to see Danowski play with no face off man, no lefty attackman, overmatched underclassmen on defense and juniors that are just not good. I have a big decision to make with my son who I'm glad played on JV. I thought the program was turning around but that's obviously not the case. I should have known when it took 2 weeks into the season to get a practice pinnie that there was something seriously wrong.



Have ur son transfer to SA and start again from 9th grade... Don't worry SA AD and Head Coach on board with this approach.

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[quote=Anonymous]Some of the funniest stuff I've read with regards to the SJB coach. Obviously disgruntled parents. Anyone who has paid attention knows he's the only one that coaches the team. The HC is checked out. The future is not bright because there are no players. I'd like to see Danowski play with no face off man, no lefty attackman, overmatched underclassmen on defense and juniors that are just not good. I have a big decision to make with my son who I'm glad played on JV. I thought the program was turning around but that's obviously not the case. I should have known when it took 2 weeks into the season to get a practice pinnie that there was something seriously wrong.



Looks like the D coach just chimed in. This program has been in decline for 3 years since you started coaching. anyone can see that. You are really sad. pretending to be a parent while defending your self. You couldn't coach your way out of a paper bag!

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Great game between Smithtown East and Connetquot. One again C-quot coaching suspect. C-quot should be good next year, returning a lot of seniors but will depend on defense. They give up a lot of goals. East Vs. West should be great match up!


'Quot is done, will not be good next year because this Coach can not develop the talent he has. His team is stagnant because his abilities are stagnant and because he is dividing his time and attention between his team and his side business.

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Great game between Smithtown East and Connetquot. One again C-quot coaching suspect. C-quot should be good next year, returning a lot of seniors but will depend on defense. They give up a lot of goals. East Vs. West should be great match up!


'Quot is done, will not be good next year because this Coach can not develop the talent he has. His team is stagnant because his abilities are stagnant and because he is dividing his time and attention between his team and his side business.


Varsity High School coaching jobs are not full time, THEY are the side business, not whatever he does for a living full time. Pay the man $100k and you'll get full time.

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Where are we now Sayville Lacrosse? We've had two years to assess the removal of Coach Doller, is the program better or worse?

Ok. And let's move on just as Coach Doller has. The whole thing was wrong from the beginning. This had nothing to to do with "coaching" it had very little to do with parents or players. You would be hard pressed to find a handful of families to complain about Coach from his HS teams over the past 15+ years.

Last season the district took away varsity assistants across the board. The varsity assistant position was in the middle of a coaching change, well after the loss of the paid position the varsity coach could not find anyone. Coach Doller coached the varsity team by himself to the county championship. Nobody talks about that. He never said a word about it or complained, guess he just coached his a$$ off.
In January before the season started the AD told Coach D that there would be no JV assistant either. It was never mentioned before this nor is it listed in the districts budget cuts. The superintendent stood his ground while knowing that the had made a mistake or they never told him bc they DID NOT take the JV Football assistant away. Coach D let his parents know what the district had done, they went to the boe meeting with valid points and the JV assistant was reinstated. That evening behind closed doors coach D was fired for telling the parents to go to a boe meeting to fight for the lacrosse program. Not one of the BOE members is connected to lacrosse nor does any of their kids play? Its no secret that sayville is still a big football town, every member of the boe is connected to the football program and they have never supported the lacrosse program, it's a shame. At the end of the lax season Coach Doller was given a letter saying he would not be reinstated for the 2016 season. That's it. There was some backing by the quarterbacks dad bc he is very friendly with kohlar on the board. I think it was over the fact that he didn't receive all the awards he wanted at the end of the season?
Coach D worked with the Boe and superintendent all summer to try and resolve the situation. No dice

The boe is so small minded, short sighted and insecure. Why couldn't they admit their wrongs and work it out? Or point out ways Coach could improve his relationship with the boe? So who losses? Our kids and the sayville lacrosse program and I would guess Coach D, as I know he was not ready to hang it up.

I've watched and experience the lax program in our town grow and mature into something everyone involved could be proud of, It just got sent back 10 years. The BOE, superintendent and AD sold be ashamed.
Just saw a post on FB that Coach Doller will be an assistant at Farmingdale college. Congrats Coach, I wish you all the best.


That could have been written by the captain of the Lithuanian bobsled team. Virtually every thing that was written is wrong. I'm not even exaggerating. That entire novel contained nothing but lies and opinions. Absolutely incredible. Well, not every thing was a lie. Coach Doller WAS the coach. That's true.

Not sure about the quaterback thing (just don't have any info there, but everything else is spot on) but every other word of the original statement is true. What wasn't mentioned is that Superintendent hasn't been a fan of Coach D for years and has been waiting for a situation to burn him. He got his chance minutes after the board just took another beating from the public from the lax parents that night in February, (might I add another black eye brought on by the Superintendent upon which he has made the board look stupid and weak several times in the last two years). The board was angry and Super immediately put coach d's firing to a vote immediately after this meeting. It was approved at this meeting. So this all was done in the same night of that meeting. The BOE has had so many black eyes and looked so flip-floppy weak they couldn't back down on this one, to the detriment of our kids. Time for Super to go. #FWS

The only embarrassment here is the Super. The community has nothing to be ashamed of. Coach D. is well on his way to much more lucrative pastures in his new partnerships, and will be better off financially ten-fold to what he lost on a silly coaching salary. He will still have a positive impact on our community, and help out young lacrosse players. It will just be on his terms and will cost more to be a part of his program.

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Great game between Smithtown East and Connetquot. One again C-quot coaching suspect. C-quot should be good next year, returning a lot of seniors but will depend on defense. They give up a lot of goals. East Vs. West should be great match up!


'Quot is done, will not be good next year because this Coach can not develop the talent he has. His team is stagnant because his abilities are stagnant and because he is dividing his time and attention between his team and his side business.


Varsity High School coaching jobs are not full time, THEY are the side business, not whatever he does for a living full time. Pay the man $100k and you'll get full time.


I hate this type of comment, do you get paid, then do your job. Your job at its best. You don't like the $$ then leave don't half [lacrosse] it. Sure you get what you pay for but do your job!

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Where are we now Sayville Lacrosse? We've had two years to assess the removal of Coach Doller, is the program better or worse?

Ok. And let's move on just as Coach Doller has. The whole thing was wrong from the beginning. This had nothing to to do with "coaching" it had very little to do with parents or players. You would be hard pressed to find a handful of families to complain about Coach from his HS teams over the past 15+ years.

Last season the district took away varsity assistants across the board. The varsity assistant position was in the middle of a coaching change, well after the loss of the paid position the varsity coach could not find anyone. Coach Doller coached the varsity team by himself to the county championship. Nobody talks about that. He never said a word about it or complained, guess he just coached his a$$ off.
In January before the season started the AD told Coach D that there would be no JV assistant either. It was never mentioned before this nor is it listed in the districts budget cuts. The superintendent stood his ground while knowing that the had made a mistake or they never told him bc they DID NOT take the JV Football assistant away. Coach D let his parents know what the district had done, they went to the boe meeting with valid points and the JV assistant was reinstated. That evening behind closed doors coach D was fired for telling the parents to go to a boe meeting to fight for the lacrosse program. Not one of the BOE members is connected to lacrosse nor does any of their kids play? Its no secret that sayville is still a big football town, every member of the boe is connected to the football program and they have never supported the lacrosse program, it's a shame. At the end of the lax season Coach Doller was given a letter saying he would not be reinstated for the 2016 season. That's it. There was some backing by the quarterbacks dad bc he is very friendly with kohlar on the board. I think it was over the fact that he didn't receive all the awards he wanted at the end of the season?
Coach D worked with the Boe and superintendent all summer to try and resolve the situation. No dice

The boe is so small minded, short sighted and insecure. Why couldn't they admit their wrongs and work it out? Or point out ways Coach could improve his relationship with the boe? So who losses? Our kids and the sayville lacrosse program and I would guess Coach D, as I know he was not ready to hang it up.

I've watched and experience the lax program in our town grow and mature into something everyone involved could be proud of, It just got sent back 10 years. The BOE, superintendent and AD sold be ashamed.
Just saw a post on FB that Coach Doller will be an assistant at Farmingdale college. Congrats Coach, I wish you all the best.


That could have been written by the captain of the Lithuanian bobsled team. Virtually every thing that was written is wrong. I'm not even exaggerating. That entire novel contained nothing but lies and opinions. Absolutely incredible. Well, not every thing was a lie. Coach Doller WAS the coach. That's true.

Not sure about the quaterback thing (just don't have any info there, but everything else is spot on) but every other word of the original statement is true. What wasn't mentioned is that Superintendent hasn't been a fan of Coach D for years and has been waiting for a situation to burn him. He got his chance minutes after the board just took another beating from the public from the lax parents that night in February, (might I add another black eye brought on by the Superintendent upon which he has made the board look stupid and weak several times in the last two years). The board was angry and Super immediately put coach d's firing to a vote immediately after this meeting. It was approved at this meeting. So this all was done in the same night of that meeting. The BOE has had so many black eyes and looked so flip-floppy weak they couldn't back down on this one, to the detriment of our kids. Time for Super to go. #FWS

The only embarrassment here is the Super. The community has nothing to be ashamed of. Coach D. is well on his way to much more lucrative pastures in his new partnerships, and will be better off financially ten-fold to what he lost on a silly coaching salary. He will still have a positive impact on our community, and help out young lacrosse players. It will just be on his terms and will cost more to be a part of his program.


Again.....you let the landscaper run the board etc. As far as a football town......cmon Please....you play in Suffolk Div 3 level. If you had to play some real football you would get smoked.

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I'm confused, I agree that if the rule in NYS is "four years" of play than they should accept punishment and move on. But what gets me is that you routinely see other top lacrosse schools that offer PG programs that play fifth year seniors or PG players and this seems to be just fine as it relates to rankings and recruiting. Just look at the rankings on Inside Lacrosse every year. Most of the top teams are playing fifth year kids anyway, not to mention that like St. Anthony's they recruit kids to play there and are not restricted to set geographic boundaries like the public schools. Isn't it time to have two classifications in the rankings, one for geographically restricted public schools and one for non geographically restricted private schools with PG kids. Not trying to take anything away from either school type but I think it would offer a more even playing field in determining rankings. Lets call it what it is, private and private PG schools have an upper hand both in geography of recruits as well as fifth year players on their rosters. It creates an uneven playing field. If private and private PG schools were in one classification and public schools were in another as it relates to rankings this incident wouldn't even be an issue. I am all for the teams crossing over and playing each other, but we need separate classifications at this point.




1). There are many public schools with hold backs/pg's what ever you want to call them on them. It is not only privates.

2). There is a NFHS (National Federation of State High Schools) rules which dictate the years of eligibility. I believe it states between year 9 and 12 you can only have 4 years of eligibility, the real scammers are those that repeat 8th (not skip 8th grade) to gain the 5 year. Many true privates aren't NFHS schools and don't following that rule. You want to get technical, there is a rule you can't play two games in one day. Not so sure the better public Ct schools play by that rule or else the dominoes would fall fast.

3). Lets not talk harp on geographic boundaries. The distance some towns across this state have are seemingly limitless. The schools with high enrollemet and lower enrollment both have competitive teams

4). Recruiting, yes coaches are involved with Club teams and can say hey why not come to my school. But as to actively recruit not to sure about that. Maybe the top 1% but who wouldnt reach out to see if interest is there. You are telling me some towns dont lure and reach out and say why dont you move here and we can have a special team, that happens as well.

5). Even playing field, How even is Wm playing against Lindy Sachem East Whitman Huntington. or Pequa vs Union Baldwin Oceanside Freeport
How about playing competitive Li lacrosse. Stop the BS and make power ranking and then do a tournament of Champions


Point 2

I doubt an school ever played 2 games in one day during HS season. As far as individual players, you need a full overnight before you can play a second game. You can dress and be on the bench but can't step on the field.


1. Not true, no public schools have any player ever playing after their senior year. Not talking about an eighth grader playing varsity and than playing four more years for a total of five years. Talking about players playing HS level lacrosse after graduation.

2. This is true but again an eight grader repeating like this is really rare in the public schools.

3., 4. Once again public schools have far smaller geographic boundaries and public school coaches recruiting kids from other towns to move their families so Johnny can play lacrosse?? Never happens, as a matter of fact I can only think of one or two occasions this happened (Hicksville to Sachem a few years back).

5. Really?, I think you missed the point again. We are talking about an even playing field among the top teams. All conferences and divisions have weaker teams, no way to get around that. While I agree there should be a better system than what is in place for making sure lower level teams play fewer upper level teams, The point is when we are talking about the top teams there should be a separation between public and private. Not trying to take anything away from the privates and the PG schools i think they play great lacrosse and the teams should cross over and play each other, it makes for great lacrosse but when it comes to rankings it just unfair.



2 - Run for the Hills if you want to do this in public, no?

5 - We are talking even playing field. Once the teams are established or you know what the teams will be for the next year - you can set the stage for competitive games, Public or Private, that is the point. This can be accomplished on LI if you wanted to. It starts with Li sections allow for 5 non league games (not just 2), mandate more than just the top 5 cant play teams 13 and below. This could also allow for a better playoff, less rematches and more build ups for Playoffs. Maybe Ward Melvile doesn't play Smithtown in the regular season, but plays (Darien CSh and Hill or Culver) and then run head-on into the Playoffs against Smithown. This could make lacrosse great again, it starts with the schedule. Help make all the games to be 5 goals games.

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Great game between Smithtown East and Connetquot. One again C-quot coaching suspect. C-quot should be good next year, returning a lot of seniors but will depend on defense. They give up a lot of goals. East Vs. West should be great match up!


'Quot is done, will not be good next year because this Coach can not develop the talent he has. His team is stagnant because his abilities are stagnant and because he is dividing his time and attention between his team and his side business.


Varsity High School coaching jobs are not full time, THEY are the side business, not whatever he does for a living full time. Pay the man $100k and you'll get full time.


I hate this type of comment, do you get paid, then do your job. Your job at its best. You don't like the $$ then leave don't half [lacrosse] it. Sure you get what you pay for but do your job!


You should look at the context. The comment was made in response to a poster writing that the team isn't performing because the coach is dividing his time with a side business. The man has to make a living.

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Great game between Smithtown East and Connetquot. One again C-quot coaching suspect. C-quot should be good next year, returning a lot of seniors but will depend on defense. They give up a lot of goals. East Vs. West should be great match up!


'Quot is done, will not be good next year because this Coach can not develop the talent he has. His team is stagnant because his abilities are stagnant and because he is dividing his time and attention between his team and his side business.


Varsity High School coaching jobs are not full time, THEY are the side business, not whatever he does for a living full time. Pay the man $100k and you'll get full time.


I hate this type of comment, do you get paid, then do your job. Your job at its best. You don't like the $$ then leave don't half [lacrosse] it. Sure you get what you pay for but do your job!


You should look at the context. The comment was made in response to a poster writing that the team isn't performing because the coach is dividing his time with a side business. The man has to make a living.


Ok let's be clear, he has his regular job that pays his salary and the HS coaching job that gets him extra and then he has his club lacrosse organization (job 3) to fully cash in. Maybe his HS kids should get a little more attention.

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