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So much for the Catholic ethics! What a disgrace! Coach should be fired. Brought shame on the school and lacrosse program.

The team is blameless in this fiasco. The coach must go of course. Religion has no bearing on this incident. SMU received the death penalty for infractions involved in football in the 80's. It's an issue where winning trumps all. Starts in PAL with select teams and carries over.

Good luck with sjb making any changes. The athletic director should go. She does nothing. The girls lacrosse coach is incompetent. Worst coach ever and she goes to Disney after parents plan to be here for spring break Practices!! Other schools and coaches have actually remarked on how poor the lacrosse programs are.

Supposedly, player was playing in his fifth year of varsity lacrosse - 9th in public, 10 @ St A's, repeated 10th @ St A's, 11th @ St A's, and 12 @ St A's. Not sure how that wasn't obvious to St A's before 5/13 of this year - his first year there was 10th grade. You might be able to explain the oversight if he started St A's 9th grade!

....WORDS of a true Bigeot. Find another forum to peddle your anti-catholic rhetoric

Lawsuits will be filed. Negligence and breach of contract.

I would agree with this parent. If you look at the oceanside Football program, where it was and where it is now with the current Coach (RB). He came in and change the culture. It is needed in the lacrosse program. Just my opinion.

I'm Catholic, son goes to a Catholic College, second son also going to a Catholic College. These are not words of bigotry, they are words of truth. If you're going to preach it, you'd better live it! If it was an oversight, then so be it. Take responsibility, make things right were you can and make sure polices and procedures are put in place to ensure it never happens again.

SJB Admin promising change out of all coach's for next season in the boys lax program. There have been many complaints for last three years. Biggest complaint is with the D coach and his son. Special treatment for son, O coaches can't yell at him, while all the better players get there fair share of tongue lashings, he coaches his son and goes against the other coaches openly for selfish reasons, big distraction for the team. This team had some talent but because of the selfish father & son they won 3 games. The D coach is a big head case and is disliked by the other coaches but the head coach didn't reign him in. So there are all suppose to be going???

Lawsuits.....seriously......over a game of high school lacrosse. Calm down chicken little.

so a parent holds his kid back so he can be bigger but still has his kid play. 5 years of high school ball. im sure this isnt the only school this is happening in right now. seasons over, wheres the deterrence. suspend the program for next year.

Lawsuits...really....for a HS lacrosse game. Your either an idiot or an attorney.....much the same

Called open gym.....not practices.

I have to question this what SJB Admin? the school basically refuses to take any action with regard to replacing coaches. The "Athletic Director" would be the first person they should replace. If you call driving around on a golf cart screaming at kids directing athletics then she is right for the job, but other than that she is a disaster for the school.

The girls lacrosse coach awful and everyone knows this, but no change made there either and years of students/parents complaints disregarded. She knows little about coaching and her dedication to the program is laughable. She extensively PUNISHES girls if they miss practices during break but then as families made no plans to travel during Easter break, she was a no show for practices and was in Disney.

I would have to say that I wont send another child to this school if athletics are important part of high school for them.

The rules are pretty clear: If a school uses an ineligible student in any interscholastic contest, such contest
shall be forfeited to the opposing schools. With regard to post-season, at the time of discovery the school declared
ineligible will be disqualified from the tournament immediately.

This D coach has been real issue for a long time in the youth travel program in East Islip. Has been trying to control the recruiting out come for his kid. Typical over bearing parent screwing all the kids around his, to advance his own kids success. Same typical out come as well. Parent wants the success more then the kid. Didn't work for him but hurt a lot of kids along the way. Real tool!

I agree the SJB boys athletic director is worse. He let this issue with the boys program go on for 3 years before they acknowledged it. Hopefully they will make the changes they promised and we can save next season.

Absolutely ridiculous end to the 2017 lacrosse season; the responsibility lies with the player, the player's parents, the coach and the Athletic Director.
Deception has no place in sports; everyone involved should no longer have a place at St. Anthony's! Dishonor on the entire program & the school.

The bigger question is why it took them until the end of the season to report this, the coach, AD and front office should be verifying these, no?

Everybody on LI would have known about this and screamed bloody murder if this was a top flight player, all the kids from his summer team and middle school would have known about it. This was NOT cheating or some sort of systematic corruption, it was an over site. The kid is not a starter and they were not cheating to win games. I have no inside information but I would guess nobody knew about this and might have had something to do with graduation when somebody noticed that he had 5 years of lacrosse at the school.

No investigation needed, no further punishment - I believe cancelling the game was not necessary.

The exact reason why High School fathers' should not coach their sons.

Player was not playing his 5th year of varsity lacrosse. Player went to St Anthony's as a 9th grader, played lax on the Freshman Team, went on to 10th grade played lax on JV Team, Repeated 10th grade and played lax on JV Team again as a 10 th grader , went on to Varsity in 11th, and 12th grade. The entire issue is that he played 5 yrs..of High School Lax(Not Varsity) as a 5 Year high school student, can not do that. In NY State you are considered a high school student in 9th grade. When he re-classed and held back in 10th grade he would have had to sit out his second 10th grade season or his senior year. In this instance because he played both of his 10th grade years and also played his senior year that added up to 5 yrs. of lax as a 5 year high school student. Not that its common, but obviously a rule parents should be aware of.

the kid skipped 8th grade...wasn't holding back. Went to SA with his brother. Principle offered him to come to school for 5 yrs not the parent

The league rules clearly state the outcome for this situation. Why should they have not followed their black and white rules? And why have rules if they are not followed?

this st. anthonys issue is an example of everything that is wrong with youth/hs lacrosse....repeating 10th grade....parents must be completely nuts

anyone that holds there kids back when they hit hs must be crazy....such a shame

Thank you for that post - rule totally makes sense even though in this case he was not repeating for athletics, if they did not have this rule in place the amount of hold backs would be insane

I'm confused, I agree that if the rule in NYS is "four years" of play than they should accept punishment and move on. But what gets me is that you routinely see other top lacrosse schools that offer PG programs that play fifth year seniors or PG players and this seems to be just fine as it relates to rankings and recruiting. Just look at the rankings on Inside Lacrosse every year. Most of the top teams are playing fifth year kids anyway, not to mention that like St. Anthony's they recruit kids to play there and are not restricted to set geographic boundaries like the public schools. Isn't it time to have two classifications in the rankings, one for geographically restricted public schools and one for non geographically restricted private schools with PG kids. Not trying to take anything away from either school type but I think it would offer a more even playing field in determining rankings. Lets call it what it is, private and private PG schools have an upper hand both in geography of recruits as well as fifth year players on their rosters. It creates an uneven playing field. If private and private PG schools were in one classification and public schools were in another as it relates to rankings this incident wouldn't even be an issue. I am all for the teams crossing over and playing each other, but we need separate classifications at this point.

No doubt on that. C-quot not the team they were last year. Coaching is weak there, last years team was an anomaly of real good players who played together for years. Now that real coaching will come in to play it will be same old C-quot.

This was a 3 year disaster for SJB as a team. Father was a completed nut case. Giving his son every advantage he could. Funny thing is the reality is he only hurt the kid. The kid is really at a disadvantage because of the fathers controlling ways. This has been a big team distraction and caused an issue on a daily bases.

I agree with comment above. Suspending them for a Championship game they would have lost anyway is a reward for them this year. They should suspend them for next season. Or figure out something other than forfeiting a season that already ended.
Ridiculous... it only affects the kids, especially seniors. Where is the punishment to the people that are monitoring this(or choosing not to monitor)?

This seems like a pretty reasonable explanation.

you can't repeat a grade at St. As or Chami for that matter. I highly doubt the principal offered to break the rule for him

The number of kids repeating grades is high school is relativity low
But many of them are only repeating grade for athletics
Shame on the parents and administion who turn a blind eye to it

" . . .Or figure out something other than forfeiting a season that already ended." So pretty much you want them to disregard the CHSAA rules that are set out in black and white? What other rules can arbitrarily be set aside? When you disagree with the rules, you work to change the rules, not ignore them.

100% agree. Total bs and what about a kid who play varsity since 8th grade is he now limited to 4 years? did they always have this rule? kids getting left back for grades now can't play sports? basketball and football would be in trouble nation wide if so. total bs- coach W and St Ants is class act all the way

It was necessary as the rules state that is the penalty.

Let me get this straight ... this player finished 7th grade and the following school year went to 9th grade in Saint Anthony's. Finished 9th grade and went on to 10th grade. So at this point this player repeats 10th grade, which would now bring him back in the grade he should have been in and continues on that track to this year's graduation. Understood he played all 5 years in but there are plenty of long island players who play varsity in 8th grade and will end up playing 5 years of high school ball. He seems to be of age for a varsity player...not a hold back....plus he skipped 8th grade. Lets move on!!!

1). There are many public schools with hold backs/pg's what ever you want to call them on them. It is not only privates.

2). There is a NFHS (National Federation of State High Schools) rules which dictate the years of eligibility. I believe it states between year 9 and 12 you can only have 4 years of eligibility, the real scammers are those that repeat 8th (not skip 8th grade) to gain the 5 year. Many true privates aren't NFHS schools and don't following that rule. You want to get technical, there is a rule you can't play two games in one day. Not so sure the better public Ct schools play by that rule or else the dominoes would fall fast.

3). Lets not talk harp on geographic boundaries. The distance some towns across this state have are seemingly limitless. The schools with high enrollemet and lower enrollment both have competitive teams

4). Recruiting, yes coaches are involved with Club teams and can say hey why not come to my school. But as to actively recruit not to sure about that. Maybe the top 1% but who wouldnt reach out to see if interest is there. You are telling me some towns dont lure and reach out and say why dont you move here and we can have a special team, that happens as well.

5). Even playing field, How even is Wm playing against Lindy Sachem East Whitman Huntington. or Pequa vs Union Baldwin Oceanside Freeport
How about playing competitive Li lacrosse. Stop the BS and make power ranking and then do a tournament of Champions

This doesn't make sense. There are plenty of 8th graders who play JV and some who play varsity? Is the issue that he was a 9th grader and played 5 years? Like someone else said, how do kids who legitimately get left back get to play a 5th year?