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Here is the true reality. More lacrosse is GOOD for all players. If your coach is preventing your child from playing with other teams, it is time to find a new team.

Do you mean find a new high school? That's the issue here, school coaches leveraging their position to cash in on summer travel teams, camps etc. - it's called pay to play, whether it's CGI baseball and St. Anthony's school team or Northport HS and Yellow Jackets lax, it's everywhere and it puts unfair pressure (both financial and emotional)on far too many people and frighteningly enough it starts at 10 years old in some cases


Agreed , but is there a FREE option ! No matter where you play or who your child plays for, there is a cost involved. However if the H.S. Coach is running the program perhaps there might be some cost control. The coach may not be able to fleece your pocketbook in fear of being spoken about to the school district.

Hello, you are correct about the cost control in HS Lax, but is the coaching in a public school as qualified as any of the big clubs? Maybe so, in some cases, but if you have a widely acclaimed "high end" coach at your childs level, why play down? It sounds stuffy, but winning at a high level with the town kids just is not happening. The town kids ARE important to play with, however, as friendships and sense of community matter more than some realize. It is a tough call, but depends more upon your individual town/ pay for play situation.
I am sure that there are some folks who will cite St. Anthony's and Chaminade as opportunities for "the best of both worlds" status. This may be so to some, but many are also truly satisfied with their public school for many reasons, and seek the "looks" for their child through private competition. There is not one "correct" scenario, but each individual family must assess.
PS- This IS a family undertaking, not to be forgotten! Enjoy

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I guess I look at this slightly different , I think it's great when the local coach puts in the effort to make the team better. It's a significant amount of work and for 750 , there's not much in making money there. Yeah maybe the coaches are getting paid, but they're not getting rich. Probably 1-2k for the whole season per coach. 2 practices a week and 4 weekend tournaments, probably getting 20 an hr.

Now these 25 kids, some who will never make another travel team get to play together. It's much better for the school program then the top 2 kids playing with a travel team with kids from 10 different towns.

What will be a bigger accomplishment , Li championship with all your high school buddies or winning the tristate with 20 different families ?


Heres a thought - chew on this a bit!


21 players (2G 5A 9M 5D) @ $750 = $15,750 budget for a team.

For $750 you get.
4 tournaments @ avg $1,500 = $6,000.
$4,000 for coaches
(Divide that by 21 players = $475 a player.)
uni/swag another $75 a player
balls and stuff another $50 a player
Donation to school HS team $50 a player
6 dates of a faceoff clinic (max 10 players per team) $35 a player
6 dates of a goalie clinic (max 2 players) $35 a player

If your town has a competitive team why not (as long as there are not any dads coaches qualified or not)!!

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Please explain the obsession with playing with a town. Why not encourage the kids to play at the highest level possible. Sounds like the town folk want to hold the best kids back.

Keep the high school coaches out of the summer. If they cant win with the time they have during the year so be it.

It is wrong for High School Coaches or Town Programs to coerce children into playing for them.

Just curious, are the Town Teams open to everyone or do they have Tryouts and cuts?? How about at the youth level?? do the town teams cut kids? do they have "A" ,"B" and "C" Teams?

There are more B, C, and D Players than there are "A" players.

The Parents of the B, C, and D players want their kids to play with the "A" players and the only way that can happen is if the "A" players stay at home.

An "A" player staying home helps the Town/HS Team but it does not help the Player.

The Bottom Line is: "Its wrong for a high school coaches and town programs to to coerce children into playing for his summer team".

If a high school coach thinks he has what it takes to compete against the club organizations then he should quit his Job "coaching job". He should go and compete on the open market. Without coercion, how many would be able to compete????



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I was chewing until the "no dad" things surfaced. Why the hate for the guy whom loves the sport and has a son to enjoy it with? Why? Not ALL dad coaches may be the best, but not ALL cops are bad, not ALL banking execs are coke hounds, etc. Rationality went out the window. I hope i am misreading.

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Hello. Both of my boys play Northport and we love it. The cost is 1/3 of the traditional travel teams. The are playing very competitively and my sons are growing as players by leaps and bounds. Sometimes the grass is not greener on the other side. Also, there is a wonderful feeling of community which cannot be surpassed. Both of my boys have made in the past the best travel "A" teams there are so I think as long as it is a positive experience and your sons are up to their fullest potential -- then you're a winner.

Hello,
Exactly my point. Northport is a minority, meaning that not many towns can boast strong support of their lacrosse program, and true concern for keeping the kids playing in-town, for their high school as well. A valid point made by a prior post refers to the high school with a weaker team, or the school administration brushing off a lax program as unimportant. Your situation is great to hear about, but not the case in a great many districts with weaker programs, but having kids enthusiastic about furthering their involvement to higher levels.
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Here is the true reality. More lacrosse is GOOD for all players. If your coach is preventing your child from playing with other teams, it is time to find a new team.

This is a great idea, which hardly works in reality. Changing practice schedules spread among an entire roster can not work, considering the spread of seperate localities on one team. How many times have we seen a coach at the end of a practice,trying to align the next practice with 20 kids? First, the kids do not know the schedule for the next week. Next, the coach sets his schedule for a tentative date, then the email chain changes it all. You get it. Been there? It all seems to be about that "balance". We try to do what's best for the kid's perfomance, attempt to keep it enjoyable, consider that some college help is possible, maintain association with school peers, etc.
We HAVE seen kids and their parents simply DUMP the PAL for greener pastures, but they tend to teach the kid to jump ship in any situation. We have also seen what staying involved in your town can bring to aid in many other satisfying experiences as well. Balance... may be different for each family or district.

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Please send your concept to Three Village.

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What concept?

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Please send your concept to Three Village.


there are many towns thinking your concept at 3v is working. Are you saying it isn't? No system is perfect, but please help. What is done there?

West Islip same thing?
Smith town
Garden City
Manias set
Farmingdale
Syosset

Everyone throws out:
Is it understood for grades below x, you do whatever you want then above x you do,what the school coaches "prefer". Unless of course you're going to send your children to catholic schools. Is this true?


I look to the left banner and see a bunch of towns with great history.

It can't all be the gene pool, there has to be a system.





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The town/school teams that have great programs are dedicated to making it a program in which the student/athlete has committed coaching that provides an opportunity for them to thrive. These districts are notorious for having superb programs where the parents and athtletes are committed to backing the programs up!!!! Coaching + support = outstanding programs........Not every district has such a wonderful opportunity and I believe in these districts there isn't much time to play with a "travel team," and the athlete is committed to the school, but I also know that with a school team, there are times when an athlete advances further on the basis of who you know, not what you know.

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3village has a great program for in-house and PAL. They nmade a decision that if a child wanted to play travel lax on the 3v team, the child could not also participate on one of the elite teams. Their slogan--one town one team.

That worked for many years, however, the last few years have seen large defections from some of the younger teams. The current 6th, 7th and 8th grade 3v travel teams have been decimated. Kids and coaches have left the program to participate in the elite world--gladiators, express, 91...

The result is that these 3v teams cannot compete in the A bracket of tournaments any longer. they are now plauying in B brackets or town team only tournaments.

For the older grades-9th, JV and varsity-those teams were able to keep most of their kids and are still playing at a very high level.

So what worked for a long time, is no longer working. change has come to this sport and the town teams must evolve or lose in every toutrnament...

that said, at the HS level for school ball, the best kids in 3v get to play regardless iof which travel team they are plauing for...

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This is a problem across the board in all sports, not just lacrosse. Kids and their families feel tremendous pressure to play for the high school coach - but it doesn't matter. The coach wants to win and for the most part will play the better player. Now if there is a tie at the talent level then maybe the tiebreaker goes to the kid who played for the coach. On the other hand for recruiting purposes, maybe it is better to have two advocates for your child instead of just one.


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High school coaches who want to keep their job as HS coaches play the best kids regardless of which jersey they wear in June and July at tournaments. Do you really think a lesser skilled player is going to play over a more skilled player because the more skilled player opted to play for an outside travel team? Not happening - coaches want to win championships and you do that with your best players on the field not on the bench.

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Same thing happening in West Islip. Some grades are better than others as far as doing some tournaments, usually in the spring. Kids playing for clubs all over. They still must make committment to J.V./Varsity team first though.
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3village has a great program for in-house and PAL. They nmade a decision that if a child wanted to play travel lax on the 3v team, the child could not also participate on one of the elite teams. Their slogan--one town one team.

That worked for many years, however, the last few years have seen large defections from some of the younger teams. The current 6th, 7th and 8th grade 3v travel teams have been decimated. Kids and coaches have left the program to participate in the elite world--gladiators, express, 91...

The result is that these 3v teams cannot compete in the A bracket of tournaments any longer. they are now plauying in B brackets or town team only tournaments.

For the older grades-9th, JV and varsity-those teams were able to keep most of their kids and are still playing at a very high level.

So what worked for a long time, is no longer working. change has come to this sport and the town teams must evolve or lose in every toutrnament...

that said, at the HS level for school ball, the best kids in 3v get to play regardless iof which travel team they are plauing for...

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High school coaches who want to keep their job as HS coaches play the best kids regardless of which jersey they wear in June and July at tournaments. Do you really think a lesser skilled player is going to play over a more skilled player because the more skilled player opted to play for an outside travel team? Not happening - coaches want to win championships and you do that with your best players on the field not on the bench.

Unfortunately, parents and kids as young as 10 years old are being scared into playiung for a particular travel program (lax, baseball, whatever) or risk being alienated at a later age - trust me it happens all the time, I know of several instances first hand of this happening and that's the big problem

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I guess I look at this slightly different , I think it's great when the local coach puts in the effort to make the team better. It's a significant amount of work and for 750 , there's not much in making money there. Yeah maybe the coaches are getting paid, but they're not getting rich. Probably 1-2k for the whole season per coach. 2 practices a week and 4 weekend tournaments, probably getting 20 an hr.

Now these 25 kids, some who will never make another travel team get to play together. It's much better for the school program then the top 2 kids playing with a travel team with kids from 10 different towns.

What will be a bigger accomplishment , Li championship with all your high school buddies or winning the tristate with 20 different families ?


They both serve a purpose, playing with and improving your HS team is very important but also playing with the same kids for 10 months a year and hearing the same coaches yelling for 3-4 years as well as playing against the same kids who may not be as good as your kid may not improve a "Better" player as much as playing with a summer select team with outstanding competition in both practices and games. The best scenario for these players would be to try and do both and balance it as best you can. if you can make it work



If only we could all make this work.

How about this, since there is limited field space. Practice for town teams on certain days and travel on others. Play travel games on the 1st and 3rd weekend of a month and town on ONE of the other weekends. (or visa versa).

Play with your town friends and play with new boys. What a concept.



Good luck with that. The people at US Lax can't even organize a roster like PAL football has had for a decade. This would allow opposing coaches to see a photo ID of each player before a game. That would prevent clubs from borrowing players, or having nephews from out of state play on your team when the tourney brings you down that way!

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I guess I look at this slightly different , I think it's great when the local coach puts in the effort to make the team better. It's a significant amount of work and for 750 , there's not much in making money there. Yeah maybe the coaches are getting paid, but they're not getting rich. Probably 1-2k for the whole season per coach. 2 practices a week and 4 weekend tournaments, probably getting 20 an hr.

Now these 25 kids, some who will never make another travel team get to play together. It's much better for the school program then the top 2 kids playing with a travel team with kids from 10 different towns.

What will be a bigger accomplishment , Li championship with all your high school buddies or winning the tristate with 20 different families ?


They both serve a purpose, playing with and improving your HS team is very important but also playing with the same kids for 10 months a year and hearing the same coaches yelling for 3-4 years as well as playing against the same kids who may not be as good as your kid may not improve a "Better" player as much as playing with a summer select team with outstanding competition in both practices and games. The best scenario for these players would be to try and do both and balance it as best you can. if you can make it work



If only we could all make this work.

How about this, since there is limited field space. Practice for town teams on certain days and travel on others. Play travel games on the 1st and 3rd weekend of a month and town on ONE of the other weekends. (or visa versa).

Play with your town friends and play with new boys. What a concept.



Good luck with that. The people at US Lax can't even organize a roster like PAL football has had for a decade. This would allow opposing coaches to see a photo ID of each player before a game. That would prevent clubs from borrowing players, or having nephews from out of state play on your team when the tourney brings you down that way!


Please tournaments are not leagues, rosters are not locked in stone in Sept. however, rosters do need to be submitted but whats to say they put the out of state player on the official roster, what then.

Is US Lacrosse going to say my child or nephew can only play on one team. No because becuase that would not be in the best interest of the child or the sport. Why stop a child who wants to play with their friends as well as with others every once in a while..


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I guess I look at this slightly different , I think it's great when the local coach puts in the effort to make the team better. It's a significant amount of work and for 750 , there's not much in making money there. Yeah maybe the coaches are getting paid, but they're not getting rich. Probably 1-2k for the whole season per coach. 2 practices a week and 4 weekend tournaments, probably getting 20 an hr.

Now these 25 kids, some who will never make another travel team get to play together. It's much better for the school program then the top 2 kids playing with a travel team with kids from 10 different towns.

What will be a bigger accomplishment , Li championship with all your high school buddies or winning the tristate with 20 different families ?


They both serve a purpose, playing with and improving your HS team is very important but also playing with the same kids for 10 months a year and hearing the same coaches yelling for 3-4 years as well as playing against the same kids who may not be as good as your kid may not improve a "Better" player as much as playing with a summer select team with outstanding competition in both practices and games. The best scenario for these players would be to try and do both and balance it as best you can. if you can make it work



If only we could all make this work.

How about this, since there is limited field space. Practice for town teams on certain days and travel on others. Play travel games on the 1st and 3rd weekend of a month and town on ONE of the other weekends. (or visa versa).

Play with your town friends and play with new boys. What a concept.



Good luck with that. The people at US Lax can't even organize a roster like PAL football has had for a decade. This would allow opposing coaches to see a photo ID of each player before a game. That would prevent clubs from borrowing players, or having nephews from out of state play on your team when the tourney brings you down that way!


Please tournaments are not leagues, rosters are not locked in stone in Sept. however, rosters do need to be submitted but whats to say they put the out of state player on the official roster, what then.

Is US Lacrosse going to say my child or nephew can only play on one team. No because becuase that would not be in the best interest of the child or the sport. Why stop a child who wants to play with their friends as well as with others every once in a while..

Long Island Junior Soccer League strictly prohibits a player from participating on more than one team, this I know first hand, having a child who plays up a year on a very competitive team and also wanted to play with his friends on a team his age and the answer from [lacrosse] was a simple "NO" and a follow up to them asking why was answered with a "because we said so"

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I guess I look at this slightly different , I think it's great when the local coach puts in the effort to make the team better. It's a significant amount of work and for 750 , there's not much in making money there. Yeah maybe the coaches are getting paid, but they're not getting rich. Probably 1-2k for the whole season per coach. 2 practices a week and 4 weekend tournaments, probably getting 20 an hr.

Now these 25 kids, some who will never make another travel team get to play together. It's much better for the school program then the top 2 kids playing with a travel team with kids from 10 different towns.

What will be a bigger accomplishment , Li championship with all your high school buddies or winning the tristate with 20 different families ?


They both serve a purpose, playing with and improving your HS team is very important but also playing with the same kids for 10 months a year and hearing the same coaches yelling for 3-4 years as well as playing against the same kids who may not be as good as your kid may not improve a "Better" player as much as playing with a summer select team with outstanding competition in both practices and games. The best scenario for these players would be to try and do both and balance it as best you can. if you can make it work



If only we could all make this work.

How about this, since there is limited field space. Practice for town teams on certain days and travel on others. Play travel games on the 1st and 3rd weekend of a month and town on ONE of the other weekends. (or visa versa).

Play with your town friends and play with new boys. What a concept.



Good luck with that. The people at US Lax can't even organize a roster like PAL football has had for a decade. This would allow opposing coaches to see a photo ID of each player before a game. That would prevent clubs from borrowing players, or having nephews from out of state play on your team when the tourney brings you down that way!


Please tournaments are not leagues, rosters are not locked in stone in Sept. however, rosters do need to be submitted but whats to say they put the out of state player on the official roster, what then.

Is US Lacrosse going to say my child or nephew can only play on one team. No because becuase that would not be in the best interest of the child or the sport. Why stop a child who wants to play with their friends as well as with others every once in a while..

Long Island Junior Soccer League strictly prohibits a player from participating on more than one team, this I know first hand, having a child who plays up a year on a very competitive team and also wanted to play with his friends on a team his age and the answer from [lacrosse] was a simple "NO" and a follow up to them asking why was answered with a "because we said so"


Yeah and in some parts of the country you cannot play soccer for your schools.

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Long Island Junior Soccer League strictly prohibits a player from participating on more than one team, this I know first hand, having a child who plays up a year on a very competitive team and also wanted to play with his friends on a team his age and the answer from [lacrosse] was a simple "NO" and a follow up to them asking why was answered with a "because we said so"
The United States Youth Soccer Association (USYSA) is the Long Island Junior Soccer League's ([lacrosse]'s) sanctioning body from the US Soccer Federation (USSF).

USYSA is quite clear that player passes are allocated to a player for one seasonal year (August 1st to the following July 31st) and names a player to be part of one specific club/town and one specific team. Yes, a player pass ties that player to a given team - not to a given club, but to the specific team within the club.

For tournaments, players can play for another team but only with the proper paperwork filed for a player loan; that paperwork must be executed by both the sending and receiving clubs.

For league play, a player cannot participate for two different teams under the USYSA/[lacrosse] pass system.

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I guess I look at this slightly different , I think it's great when the local coach puts in the effort to make the team better. It's a significant amount of work and for 750 , there's not much in making money there. Yeah maybe the coaches are getting paid, but they're not getting rich. Probably 1-2k for the whole season per coach. 2 practices a week and 4 weekend tournaments, probably getting 20 an hr.

Now these 25 kids, some who will never make another travel team get to play together. It's much better for the school program then the top 2 kids playing with a travel team with kids from 10 different towns.

What will be a bigger accomplishment , Li championship with all your high school buddies or winning the tristate with 20 different families ?


They both serve a purpose, playing with and improving your HS team is very important but also playing with the same kids for 10 months a year and hearing the same coaches yelling for 3-4 years as well as playing against the same kids who may not be as good as your kid may not improve a "Better" player as much as playing with a summer select team with outstanding competition in both practices and games. The best scenario for these players would be to try and do both and balance it as best you can. if you can make it work



If only we could all make this work.

How about this, since there is limited field space. Practice for town teams on certain days and travel on others. Play travel games on the 1st and 3rd weekend of a month and town on ONE of the other weekends. (or visa versa).

Play with your town friends and play with new boys. What a concept.



Good luck with that. The people at US Lax can't even organize a roster like PAL football has had for a decade. This would allow opposing coaches to see a photo ID of each player before a game. That would prevent clubs from borrowing players, or having nephews from out of state play on your team when the tourney brings you down that way!


Please tournaments are not leagues, rosters are not locked in stone in Sept. however, rosters do need to be submitted but whats to say they put the out of state player on the official roster, what then.

Is US Lacrosse going to say my child or nephew can only play on one team. No because becuase that would not be in the best interest of the child or the sport. Why stop a child who wants to play with their friends as well as with others every once in a while..


You seem to pooh pooh the idea. You DO cite an instance of good intent, which is fine by most, if not all. However, why allow teams to pick up heavy hitters because they know that a rival club is in the same bracket, etc.? How noble is it to select a team, practice it, and field it? I am thinking that the kid who is looking for some extra play time is a guise for holding off the eventual ID verification. The sme coaches who seem to show up with duplicate jersey numbers at tourneys, or new faces/ foreign helmets usually justify dodging ID checks using the same scenario stated in your post. I guess that it's too much to stick to a roster for commitments sake.

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I am assuming you are bringing up the soccer analogy to show how you should only play for one lacrosse team and not play on a summer select team. However, LIJSoccer League DOES allow players to play on a summer select team-ODP. Serious soccer players can play during the summer with different teammates at a more competitive level. [lacrosse] is not trying to hold back players that love the game and want to improve their skills. This is no different for players that want to play summer lacrosse with a different coach and group of kids. It's a good life experience.

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I guess I look at this slightly different , I think it's great when the local coach puts in the effort to make the team better. It's a significant amount of work and for 750 , there's not much in making money there. Yeah maybe the coaches are getting paid, but they're not getting rich. Probably 1-2k for the whole season per coach. 2 practices a week and 4 weekend tournaments, probably getting 20 an hr.

Now these 25 kids, some who will never make another travel team get to play together. It's much better for the school program then the top 2 kids playing with a travel team with kids from 10 different towns.

What will be a bigger accomplishment , Li championship with all your high school buddies or winning the tristate with 20 different families ?


They both serve a purpose, playing with and improving your HS team is very important but also playing with the same kids for 10 months a year and hearing the same coaches yelling for 3-4 years as well as playing against the same kids who may not be as good as your kid may not improve a "Better" player as much as playing with a summer select team with outstanding competition in both practices and games. The best scenario for these players would be to try and do both and balance it as best you can. if you can make it work



If only we could all make this work.

How about this, since there is limited field space. Practice for town teams on certain days and travel on others. Play travel games on the 1st and 3rd weekend of a month and town on ONE of the other weekends. (or visa versa).

Play with your town friends and play with new boys. What a concept.



Good luck with that. The people at US Lax can't even organize a roster like PAL football has had for a decade. This would allow opposing coaches to see a photo ID of each player before a game. That would prevent clubs from borrowing players, or having nephews from out of state play on your team when the tourney brings you down that way!


Please tournaments are not leagues, rosters are not locked in stone in Sept. however, rosters do need to be submitted but whats to say they put the out of state player on the official roster, what then.

Is US Lacrosse going to say my child or nephew can only play on one team. No because becuase that would not be in the best interest of the child or the sport. Why stop a child who wants to play with their friends as well as with others every once in a while..


You seem to pooh pooh the idea. You DO cite an instance of good intent, which is fine by most, if not all. However, why allow teams to pick up heavy hitters because they know that a rival club is in the same bracket, etc.? How noble is it to select a team, practice it, and field it? I am thinking that the kid who is looking for some extra play time is a guise for holding off the eventual ID verification. The sme coaches who seem to show up with duplicate jersey numbers at tourneys, or new faces/ foreign helmets usually justify dodging ID checks using the same scenario stated in your post. I guess that it's too much to stick to a roster for commitments sake.


I am good with an ID card. I never said my child or nephew were playing down, not at all. They just like playing with each other and each like playing with the others friends from home.

I would hope and see no reason for someone to take that away.


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I am assuming you are bringing up the soccer analogy to show how you should only play for one lacrosse team and not play on a summer select team. However, LIJSoccer League DOES allow players to play on a summer select team-ODP. Serious soccer players can play during the summer with different teammates at a more competitive level. [lacrosse] is not trying to hold back players that love the game and want to improve their skills. This is no different for players that want to play summer lacrosse with a different coach and group of kids. It's a good life experience.
Not to divert from Lacrosse to Soccer, but ... (yes, diversion coming) ...

Any players on the [lacrosse]/ODP teams use their club team passes from the [lacrosse] as a summer "loan" player. However, with more "premier" teams continuing play through the summer months, participation in [lacrosse]/ODP has taken a serious quality and participation level hit.

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A couple of folks seem to be skirting the issue which I have brought up. Some teams grab heavy hitters,(hired guns, sharpshooters, etc.) to affect the outcome of tourneys. They are NOT bringing the kids along to ensure that they have more fun. When your team trains to compete against a team, a couple of these......
OH, I get it! Your team does this!?
Sometimes I don't catch on too quickly

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Like everything in life, all coaches whether it be a travel coach or HS coach has their favorites. Do you think a travel team that we are playing with has two kids to put into Blue Chip and one will be my son or will it be his son and his son's best friend? There are politics in every situation. I think that as long as it works for your son and your family, it's an all around win!!

Hope you all have a great fall lax season.

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You are right about the best players will play regardless of where they play in this summer. Every coach wants to win. But, I also think that some school teams are very competitive. Have you ever seen Smithtown West or Northport play in a tournament? They compete and win with the very best. There is no right or wrong answer.

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Probably two is better than one.

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We are also a soccer family and the rules are much more strict than lacrosse.

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great topic. wish we had this problem. our district wont give the town league the time of day even when asked.the ad and the coaches do as little as possible to help their feeder program. no school gyms very limited field space and no preasence at games or practices. it is a shame because many boys play away from the district at a very high level. by the way we are a large district with 2 high schools

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Hmmmmmmmmm, wonder what district you are speaking of, 2 high schools, we can elimate the fact that you are referring to Sachem they have 2 high schools, but their athletic programs are outstanding, what other district has 2 high schools in Suffolk County?????????????

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Hmmmmmmmmm, wonder what district you are speaking of, 2 high schools, we can elimate the fact that you are referring to Sachem they have 2 high schools, but their athletic programs are outstanding, what other district has 2 high schools in Suffolk County?????????????


Who said it was Suffolk?

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There is a conflict of interest.

In addition to the conflict of interest:

There will be negative consequences for Long Island Lacrosse Players if the HS Coaches and Town Team Proponents continue to coerce players into playing exclusively with their PAL / Town / HS Summer Teams.




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Hmmmmmmmmm, wonder what district you are speaking of, 2 high schools, we can elimate the fact that you are referring to Sachem they have 2 high schools, but their athletic programs are outstanding, what other district has 2 high schools in Suffolk County?????????????


Who said it was Suffolk?

If it is Nassau it is Great Neck, Valley Stream or Levittown, those are the districts with two high schools, a few have more then two but which lacrosse town are you talking about, my guess is Great Neck

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wow suprised to see so many 2 school districts in nassau. hope the problem isnt widespread. how about it does your hs do enough to keep your son or do you look at it as a 8 game season than go to bigger /better. by the way who said it was on long island?

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Hmmmmmmmmm, wonder what district you are speaking of, 2 high schools, we can elimate the fact that you are referring to Sachem they have 2 high schools, but their athletic programs are outstanding, what other district has 2 high schools in Suffolk County?????????????


Hills? Two high schools, one lax team...

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I believe there are potential negatives and positives to having the HS coach run a summer program.

Poitives: Keeping the teams playing together makes the boys know exactly what thier teamates will do on the field. It can make an average team play at a much higher level. A team that plays selflessly and together can beat teams with higher caliber players. Also, it builds team unity and district pride. Further, if done right it can yeild serious results. We all know the HS teams that play together in the summer. They are the same ones that compete for Championships almost every year. SWR, WI, etc...

Negatives: The cost to the individual player is most likely going to be the middle tier kid on any given team. A kid like this may be constantly pidgeon holed into a back up role. If they never get the chance to play against the tough competition or get an opportunity to be the "guy", they never grow. This is especially true at the middle school and JV level. At least at an outside club they might have a chance to improve away from the microscope of the School coach. I have seen kids go off and play summer ball with a club, come back and really catch the School coaches eye.

Not sure what the ansewer is? Perhaps you try and do both. If your son is not getting playing time over the summer with his school coaches team, he surely will not get it in the spring!!! If this is the case, who cares if you [lacrosse] the school coach off. It won't matter anyway.

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I believe there are potential negatives and positives to having the HS coach run a summer program.

Poitives: Keeping the teams playing together makes the boys know exactly what thier teamates will do on the field. It can make an average team play at a much higher level. A team that plays selflessly and together can beat teams with higher caliber players. Also, it builds team unity and district pride. Further, if done right it can yeild serious results. We all know the HS teams that play together in the summer. They are the same ones that compete for Championships almost every year. SWR, WI, etc...


Negatives: The cost to the individual player is most likely going to be the middle tier kid on any given team. A kid like this may be constantly pidgeon holed into a back up role. If they never get the chance to play against the tough competition or get an opportunity to be the "guy", they never grow. This is especially true at the middle school and JV level. At least at an outside club they might have a chance to improve away from the microscope of the School coach. I have seen kids go off and play summer ball with a club, come back and really catch the School coaches eye.

Not sure what the ansewer is? Perhaps you try and do both. If your son is not getting playing time over the summer with his school coaches team, he surely will not get it in the spring!!! If this is the case, who cares if you [lacrosse] the school coach off. It won't matter anyway.


Any truth to the rumors certain towns use certain clubs (or dads) to separate the talent levels In 4/5/6 grades before they go to up ms where the hs coach has some say?

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Great topic...how do you handle the HS Coach who requests that kids play with the HS team thru the summer tournament schedule and if you do not, you are told it will impact your play time when school ball comes around ? I have had to address this with my son who plays at a high travel level with Express and as a 9th grader should not have to face this issue from the HS Coach. We do not come from a strong HS program, and the exposure with Express is much greater. Open to your comments

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Great topic...how do you handle the HS Coach who requests that kids play with the HS team thru the summer tournament schedule and if you do not, you are told it will impact your play time when school ball comes around ? I have had to address this with my son who plays at a high travel level with Express and as a 9th grader should not have to face this issue from the HS Coach. We do not come from a strong HS program, and the exposure with Express is much greater. Open to your comments


Unfortunately, this exact scenario is very common and will probably affect my son in another couple years...

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