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Definitely more selection and greater parity but economics often dictate decisions and the large state schools start with a leg up since their tuition etc are generally lower than a private schools.

Not for out-of-state students.

The out-of-state tuition at Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State etc. rival that of a major private schools.

It's silly to go to those state schools on the basis of academics alone - if you're not 'in-state'.

Exactly why Hofstra will see a new women's coach very soon. No team chemistry and the tyrant has her select minions who rat everything anyone says to her. Talent will be going to Brook, even Adelphi and Rutgers.

These coaches are in a tough spot because there just isn't enough talent to go around. The game is producing very few exceptional players. Most kids are just very good but not game changers. US lacrosse should go to small sided games to get more kids catching the ball at younger ages. All youth teams are built around just a few kids and its killing the game especially now that new college programs come on board every year and more kids are needed.

Once you are outside the top 10 teams the lacrosse falls off a cliff

I believe SB pays more than Michigan for Womens Lax

"But now there are many other schools (some that reside in great geographical areas and others that are far superior in the academics they offer) in comparison to those few who paved the way that will be vying for the top players. "

Please tell me the new programs that are far superior to UVA, NW, Maryland, UNC, that will be vying for the top players .Gets a little old when people come on the site and bash the academics of programs just because they have successful lax histories.

Northwestern (which isn't a state school by the way) enjoyed a huge advantage when they were the westernmost program in the country. With greater competitiion for talent (and poor recruiting) it's obvious they are struggling.

Plus, why go to NW when Stanford is your option on the west coast where you may reside?

Penn State (51% acceptance rate), Maryland (45% acceptance rate), UVA (29% acceptance rate), UNC (26% acceptance rate) will start to compete with a Southern California (16% acceptance rate) as the sport grows nationally.

Or if you're interested in climate and a program in Florida or Carolina was your choice. Well here comes Arizona State to compete - where you can get on the field instead of sitting on the bench.

This is only going to get harder for the blue-blood programs going forward.

The lack of talent is not because kids didn't put enough time in early throwing and catching. It is the opposite, the NCAA teams are full of kids who spent tremendous amount of time developing the skill and ability to make it at the college level. And the true studs and standouts are a different breed, they are the more athletic and fast kids, that is not a nessecity to make it as a player, for now. So many borderline athletes playing the sport because they skilled themselves up.

Top 8 through 25, every game could go either way depending on the day/time/location...

So top 7 teams play A+ lacrosse then the next 15 are interchangeable and then it becomes almost unwatchable and uncompetitive.

The sport is lacking numbers and talent. We have 3 girls on our HS team that NEVER played summer club and are playing in college for teams ranked around #5o because they were great athletes. That says it all!

Anyone that wants to play in college can find a home. These schools need bodies!

So let's say in the case of Michigan, they are looking to upgrade their coaching. Say new coach from school X accepts, cant they take his/her current commits? Didn't Spallina do just that when he went from Adelphi to SB?

you can take them but the school you are going to has to allow new coach to cut old coaches offers. My daughter went to a school where new coach honored the old coaches commits for 1 year and then purged as sophmores. If that's the case I would rather theycut to start

We are talking about the true ER, they wont even be on campus for 3 falls '19's 4 falls '20's. coaches have plenty of time to see if they want them.

True, but if a lot of the other top verbal commits are happy with their choices, who are the new coaches going to replace them with?

Pace got crushed by Stonehill! Nice job!

does Michigan have any 2020s?? it seems like only the top schools got 2020s this fall

I see your debating technique is to make your answer as incomprehensible and random as possible . Did anyone say or imply that NW is a state school. If you are using acceptance rates as a gauge to claiming one school is far superior in the academics they offer as compared to another you are using a weak indicator. Taking a players area of academic interest out of the equation you would be better looking st USNEWS rankings in which many of those schools are comparable .

Plenty of smart kids just not enough lacrosse talent. Thank god for all of us its not the other way around!

Will any other coaches be let go ? Thoughts on possibilities

True.

For so many 'Suzies' - the parents need to thank God for lacrosse.

Otherwise they'd never be able to dream about bragging that their daughter is going to play a Division 1 sport in college.

Actually, when this sport becomes more national and entices more diversity the northeastern elites may have to invent a different sport to remain one step ahead.

and by diversity you mean what exactly, David Duke?

USNEws and World Reports is a subjective ranking whereby each school fills out a questionnaire on their peer institutions..subjective at best. But I agree that acceptance rate is a poor indicator. Go to Princeton review and look at the academic rating for each school. Much more objective. Also, ASU is NOT a strong academic school. Cant believe you would even use it in the same posting as the Stanford, UVA and the others

They mean that when athletic, hungry minority kids figure out that pasty white Mary from St A's is getting an athletic scholarship that they will start picking up sticks and playing the game too. Its just like what is happening in soccer. So, you better hurry up, they are on the way to steal that scholarship you were counting on.

Nobody passes the ball so the talent pool is always going to be weak even when they expand into new geographies. Lacrosse will always be the easiest path to D1 play of all the women's sports. The product outside the top 10 is average at best

"They" are on the way.... Seriously??? You are disgusting! I truly hope you did not reproduce and further hope that you do not have the ability to spread your bigoted opinions to anyone young or old. Thank goodness, for your sake, BOTC allows you to post anonymously so you don't have to worry about publicly embarrassing your family and your friends!

Is that such a bad thing? For many, including my daughter, she would never have had the opportunity to play a sport she loves, at an excellent school if we limited the game to only the top 10 schools. There are no illusions she is a top 10 team player but both she and we are enjoying the ride.

Kinda like all of the diversity in hockey. Minorities will never play in large numbers. Sorry....your statement is uninformed. You are a Jack a$$

I think ASU was used in terms of those seeking climate.

Quite honestly, I can see all of the PAC-10 schools picking up this sport and making it next to impossible for the east coast schools (other than Ivy) to entice kids from the west.

Seriously, yes, there are athletic and often minority kids in cities everywhere picking up sticks (due to great Grow the Game programs) who are now starting to have an impact on the landscape of the game. Hmmmm, take Miles Jones or Trevor Baptiste for just the tip of the iceberg of very athletic kids on the mens side who are creating diversity and taking up spots that plain Joe/Jane from suburbia (who are well trained from the $$$$ you have been shelling out for privates) would have taken in the past. It is not bigotry at all, its a fact.

Hockey has a barrier (ice time/availability) that keeps a lid on minority and urban participation. It's not the same in Lacrosse. Small, slow suburban boys and girls from the NE and Canada are safe, for now.

Even the Princeton Review is subjective but a more comprehensive look at a school. Acceptance rate is considered right here on the first page, even on the Princeton Review.

that sounded so dumb, The hockey players from these places are not small or slow, they are the best from around the world.

The best from around the world in places that have cold weather and ice rinks. Very segregated.

I just witnessed one of the worst cases of classlessness and a-holedness I've ever seen at a wlax game. Tonight at the Howard CC vs Anne Arundel CC game, which was a great game by the way, the HCC parents were completely classless, mostly due to their generally drunken state. They were yelling at the refs for EVERY call that went against them and shouting out derogatory comments to the AACC players among other generally bad behavior. It started before the game, when as I pulled into the lot about an hour before game time I noticed them tail-gating at the far end of the lot. At this point, no harm no foul...we've all tail-gated. But, during the game it became quite apparent that quite a few of them had way too much to drink. It was a tight, hotly contested game between two close rivals and that tension didn't help. In the 2nd half one of the AACC players received her 2nd YC and had to leave. The HCC parents were classless at this point yelling the usual comments that classless parents yell. Well, one of the AACC parents them went down and sat among the HCC bunch. All appeared okay as the game wore on. I was safely stationed about 100 feet away, not wanting to listen to the HCC drunken crap. After the game was over, a 14-11 HCC win, a small crowd gathered in front of the stands, obvious words being exchanged. Then, one of the HCC parents shoved the AACC one of the AACC moms, then claimed the have dialed 911, all the while yelling crap. As I was standing on the walkway at the bottom of the stands watching the spectacle, the evidently most intoxicated HCC mom started walking away (good idea) toward the parking lot. As she quietly passed me she REEKED of alcohol. Bad! The crowd then slowly dissipated and joined our respective girls on the field for the Region 20 awards. An observation: Almost all of the HCC parents had matching YETI insulated cups with their names on them. How cute. According to a very reliable source, this is just the latest in a long line of HCC bad behavior, but I think this time it may come back to haunt them. As I was leaving in my car a police car was pulling into the lot, and the only people left on the field were HCC parents reeking of alcohol. Jeez people...

Who?

Don't be an a$$. Just because it's not D1 doesn't mean it's not important.

Mercy bests NYIT in a physical and exciting game! Great job ladies! The next big game will be played at LIU Post this Saturday at noon, a great battle of many Long Island players on both teams, and a great game to bring the little layers to!

Ok, I'll bite...who should we be watching on Stonehill?...which one is your daughter that had a great game against Pace?

"crushed" isn't very nice but there are a bunch of good D2 teams that would beat lots of D1 teams in the bottom 50. Those D1 parents are in denial. If you watch a D1 game of teams ranked around #100 its worse than high school! The sport is lacking talented depth

Agreed on the D1 parent denial. There is a lot more to college lax than D1 (I'm talking to you yj parent). There is no professional league so I say let the girls, and their families, go to the college of THEIR choice (not where you, yj parent, think they should go). Over many years I've seen lots of wlax games and I can agree that quite a few D2, and some D3, teams could beat quite a few D1 teams. D1 is not all it's cracked to be. As a disclaimer, my daughter was a D1 player, but we respect all college wlax players. Don't buy the hype of your club director...go where YOU want to go. You're paying the club a lot of money so they can help you go where you want to go...screw them and where they think you should go. It's your money and your choice.