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Why is Duke tanking?

One answer could be recruiting overrated "me only" prima-donnas.

All coaches could learn something from U Conn coach:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp4mIONS51E

Wins against BC, UMass, and NW. All were Top 20 at the time the games were played. Plus a win against UVA who is currently ranked.

If not them, who would you have in top 20?

[quote=Anonymous]Why is Duke tanking?

One answer could be recruiting overrated "me only" prima-donnas.



subtle way of saying LI head cases have poisoned the team culture. very nice

We will see what Colorado is made of when they play Stony Brook this week. Clearly a huge game for both teams.

Do at least 30 seconds of a roster review, 3 LI girls on a team of 35. I think the opposite is true, not offering girls until after 9th grade year has many top LI girls already committed.

How is this Penn State team? Can they beat Maryland out of the Big 10.

Or maybe LI girls don't want the rigor of Duke's academics

No

Interesting ranking poll from Sports Illustrated/Money magazine. It ranks the best colleges for sports lovers. The equations used is based on participation, fan experience, education and earnings potential after graduation (I guess that is where Money magazine comes in). Some may be surprised at the results.

1) Stanford
2) Notre Dame
3) Michigan
4) Duke
5) Virginia
6) North Carolina
7) Florida
8) Middlebury
9) Yale
10) Bowdoin
11) Dartmouth
12) UCLA
13) Rice
14) Maryland
15) Georgia
16) USC
17) UConn
18) Ohio St
19) Princeton
20) Texas
21) Clemson
22) Colgate
23) Lafayette
24) Boston College
25) Wisconsin

There is a lot of lacrosse programs in the top 25. Don't discount the D3 schools. There are plenty more in the next 75. There are also many lacrosse programs in there as well that may not make the top twenty in lacrosse but are great schools. For the vast majority of student athletes college is the last time they will play lacrosse. The education and opportunities after graduation is what counts. Here is the rest of the top 100.

26. University of Richmond
27. Amherst College
28. Providence College
29. Villanova University
30. Wake Forest University
31. Michigan State University
32. Harvard University
33. Bates College
34. University of Washington
35. Gettysburg College
36. Gustavus Adolphus College
37. Vanderbilt University
38. Northwestern University
39. Williams College
40. Claremont McKenna College
41. (tie) Denison University
41. (tie) Davidson College
43. Texas A&M University
44. University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
45. College of the Holy Cross
46. (tie) Syracuse University
46. (tie) Hamilton College
48. DePauw University
49. Bucknell University
50. Georgia Institute of Technology
51. McDaniel College
52. Union College
53. University of Iowa
54. Brown University
55. Pennsylvania State University
56. University of Minnesota
57. Pomona College
58. Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
59. Ursinus College
60. Tufts University
61. Georgetown University
62. Wheaton College
63. Wofford College
64. Florida State University
65. Gonzaga University
66. Westminster College
67. University of California-Berkeley
68. College of William and Mary
69. Indiana University
70. Trinity College
71. Furman University
72. University of Delaware
73. University of Oklahoma
74. Texas Christian University
75. Simpson College
76. Colby College
77. Auburn University
78. Hobart and William Smith Colleges
79. Centre College
80. Linfield College
81. Washington and Lee University
82. Brigham Young University
83. James Madison University
84. Lehigh University
85. Loras College
86. Southern Methodist University
87. (tie) Muhlenberg College
87. (tie) Rutgers University-New Brunswick
89. University of Pennsylvania
90. University of Nebraska
91. Augustana College (South Dakota)
92. (tie) Augustana College (Illinois)
92. (tie) Baylor University
94. Assumption College
95. Sewanee - The University of the South
96. The Citadel
97. University of Utah
98. Columbia University
99. Messiah College
100. Presbyterian College

Not impressed this season at all. Bad lax at best

did I miss Alabama?

Curious. What is your basis? Do you think the shot clock is a factor? Talent not as good?

University of Pennsylvania?

I wonder how many yellow cards Onondaga got today, and how many times the refs had to stop the game and tell them to settle down and quit whining about EVERY call that went against them?

not the poster but agree completely. watching this Harvard / Stanford game and it is so dull. super low scoring, the ball is constantly on the ground (bumping and grinding combined with sticks with almost no pocket..) almost no long outlets in the transition. super crowded in the offensive zone, horrible spacing. just an overall tough watch...

Its only getting worse there wasn't enough talent a handful of years ago and that's why there have only been 5 winning schools in about 30 years. Now with new programs coming on board every year the talent pool becomes even more diluted. Not enough quality to fill out these rosters.

Penn #89

89? Ok, if you want to major in dead end sports, or top 20 for a good job? List is silly

[quote=Anonymous]Boston College vs UNC was very close, the eagles look good. UNC doesn't have the defense of Maryland or Florida to keep up.[/quote

Just so ignorant .

Look no farther than last year when UNC lost to both Maryland and Florida in the regular season and beat Maryland by six goals for the championship. I would not write them off just yet.

They have a very good goalie, one of the best draw kids in the country, probably the most talented offense in the country, have won 26 of their last 27 games. That said not having Dowd running the offense will hurt but to say they cant keep up with any team is just stupidity.

I think it less ignorance than some Florida newby that just can't be objective because their totally smitten with Mandy and her jacked up YJ players.. who by the way will never get a sniff of memorial day lacrosse this year... no shot

Maryland 6, Florida 3 at the half.

I'm watching, too. FL is getting picked apart. 10-5 with 17 mins left. Ouch. OTOH, MD's turf is rotten. The ball bounces like its tennis.

Yeah, awful lot of FL fouls. I couldn't get livestats to work so don't have numbers for comparison.

It's the metrics of the list that plays a large part in the rankings. It comes from two reputable sources and was featured in SI so I threw it out there. All in all a lot of lacrosse schools.

Crickets in Gator country!

Final Four predictions:

1 - Maryland
2 - North Carolina
3 - ???
4 - ???

Who will come on strong come tournament time?

Florida - Very good team. off day on the road at MD. should cruise the rest of the regular season.

Colorado - Putting together a great year. Big win on the road at Penn State. Two games in three days a long way from home will not end well at Stony brook.

Penn State - They were there last year. Will most likely play Maryland twice before the tournament, being battle tested will help prepare them in the NCAA Tournament.

Stony Brook - Easier schedule than most. They should be well rested for the tournament but not sure if they will be prepared.

Cornell, Princeton, Penn: - All three Ivy's are tough. All three play tough non league schedules. Teams could see each other a third time in the NCAA's.

USC - As much of a chance as anyone else.

The rest of the field - Can their be a real surprise ? Syracuse, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Virginia, Boston College, Virginia Tech???

I think it's wide open for a team that get favorable draw and plays well at the right time.

justifiably so. if she couldn't go all the way with Cullen, Gilroy, Farrell and that group of atheltic studs that had an 8 goal lead over SU in the semifinals???

then how in the world is this group of cobbled together lax rats ever gonna get it done? no shot, not in the same time zone as the all around athletes UNC and MD stockpile..

Not a major fan of either. However have to give it to Megan Taylor 20 Saves WOW.

No way do SB or USC end up in top 4. I say playing on MD's crap field probably hurt the FL. I think they could be 3 or 4 in the finals. I need to find out more about CO.

In other news, I caught the tail end of Duke vs. Elon last night. Not so impressed either way. Duke had some terrible defense. Elon goalie made some great stops. All in all, watching FL vs. MD made Duke vs. Elon look like a slow game. They were on a whole other level.

They came... They saw.... They got their [lacrosse] kicked

This is not the case, just last year they committed at least one 9th grader (CSH), I'm sure there were others. Appears they aren't attracting top talent, they only beat Elon by 1.

Florida has great talent and speed but tough to beat a team like MD when you have 55 fouls to only 19, and give up 14 free position shots. MD never beats themselves and thrives on great defense and this year goal keeping.

Holy hack, Batman! I had to look up those stats but you weren't kidding! That's a lot of hacking. And FL got 9 yellow cards.

Penn State will be in top 4.

You must be really stupid . Now you are blaming future players for current losses. Elon is better than you think .

Please discuss Elon. Strengths and weaknesses. I watched a bit last night and meh. Nothing wow.