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Simplify the rules. Stop the offensive ball hogs charging into defensive players. Stop rewarding offensive players who run into triple teams only to be rewarded with a free position. Stop the horizontal stick to body. Stop the stick swinging checks. All those go to player safety. Stop calling the empty stick checks which are not safety related and cause unnecessary stoppages. Those are just a few items.

Those pushing helmets, equipment etc are unknowledgeable people stirring the pot. The soft helmets provide no "concussion" protection. No helmet does.

You guys must be fathers of girls that play attack. As the father of a defender, I'd say if the officials would call charges when a girl tries to power through two defenders then things wouldn't get out of hand. You know the girl, starts on the 8, doesn't look to pass and tries to beat three girls, gets stopped but then the ref calls a foul and she gets a FP. Terrible officiating, let them play some D.

It can go both ways depending on your perspective. I do agree, the officiating in girls lacrosse stinks.

It will do more than wearing nothing at all if they get hit in the head with the ball or a stick. If you are concerned about how your daughter looks on the lacrosse field maybe she should be in beauty pageants instead of playing lacrosse. My daughter played and suffered a concussion from taking a shot to the head - and yes, she was a good player, and certainly not a "WUSS" as you so eloquently put it. It will not be a choice you need to make for you daughter much longer. It will be a mandatory piece of equipment shortly. If you feel strongly enough that the current style of helmet does not provide you daughter with enough protection, contact somebody at Cascade and voice your concern rather than spewing your ridiculous opinion on a message board.

You are correct. The girls with the helmets will not be during. The lawsuit will be from a girl who got hurt playing against a girl who was allowed to wear a helmet.

Wrong!

My daughter's team played a team with helmets. The one thing that I noticed and I wonder if there is a cause/effect relationship, is that the team with helmets got carded several times (at least 4-5 times) for making contact with the head, and a few early that were close and not called, just called as a regular foul. My thought is, are the girls who are playing defense on a team (or this team) used to practicing against teammates with helmets, so they are not as disciplined with stick control on checks. Are they getting more free with their sticks against teammates with helmets without really knowing it, and is it possible that coaches aren't catching and correcting, because a glancing blow to a helmet doesn't get the same reaction as a bare head during practices? Just an initial thought, but it does warrant consideration.

if more yellow and red cards were handed out it would change how the girls play. Now they try and charge to get FP shots, check over girls heads..

I have to agree on that- the lack of charge calling is just plain silly. If you aren't going to call charges, you shouldn't be calling nonsense obstructions. Either the rules should be followed or not. The officiating is the worst- especially but tourneys where they need a huge amt of refs... quality goes even worse.

I agree on summer refs and its worse because club teams preach rule bending and aggressive play

best move in women's lax is to stop a break by committing a foul...as long as you stop play, its a win-win..no penalty other than offense has to re-set....why more coaches don't do it constantly is curious...not try to hurt offensive player mind you, but just a little push and play stops dead...stops a bunch of fast breaks. in bball, you do something like that on a fast break, and its a foul that hurts the defense. In women's lax, aint no big deal..until refs or rules penalize crap, the game will continue to be poorly reffed and torture to watch

totally agree it is almost unwatchable much of the time. maybe borrow from basketball the tunning violation total?? a team gets five violations a player has to go off, or a free position?

its so physical it take away from the natural athleticism some of these girls have.. just call the rule book!!!

I've got news for you. My kid plays D1 and I'd say with no exaggeration that at least once per game, and often more frequently, the refs have to have a little confab amongst themselves to figure out a call. It's a total joke. Last year our coach literally showed a ref the rule book and the ref told her "that's not how I'm calling it today ."

Anyone going to this Manhasset play day tomorrow? Are they actually playing 3 games?? Who the [lacrosse] thinks its a good idea to play 3 games against top competition?? These coaches don't give a rats about anyone's health out there. All about them, their egos, and winning at all costs. Sick

I'm not sure I understand your rant? My daughters team is going and they can't wait a fun day where everyone gets to play and get better!! The results are meaningless just work on improvement and let everybody play. What's wrong with that?

Well if 3 games is good, why not let's play four or five!!! They have had lots of practice outside after all, on full fields with the nice March weather and all. Lets put the hammer down on this season!!!

They are playing 3 35 minute scrimmages.

No worse than travel ball. Except travel will do it two days in a row.

You really are a loser .Grow the f up .

They are scrimmages you moron, this is a good way to build some stamina, see how the players mesh, etc.

It's also good to see how players perform at the end when they are tired. Seems like a great idea.

I'll be there today. Wearing a Tennessee Volunteers hat. Come on up to me like a man and tell me to grow up. Mister f bomb. Lets see how tough you are in person. Meat head.

wow real tough guy on our hands here. This is my point about the parents are to blame for the games being out of control. Idiot parents on the sidelines who are tough guys, yelling and screaming the whole game like a bunch of meatheads. Get rid of the parents and the games won't be so rough. Refs can refs, players can play without the distraction of a bunch of idiot parents

How long did it take you to pick out that outfit? Tough guy

Maybe you should take your daughter shopping instead. You can wander around the mall where it's nice and warm, get your nails done, have something to eat - a nice girls day out.

Thanks fellas, keep playing us up as the most hated parents and sideline in all of sport. Girls lax has been hijacked by clubs and idiot parents like you. soooooooo tough to root for anyone except your own kid. sad, very sad

Everyone was laughing about you! F'ing loser!

Makes me want to come up to the moron in the Tenn Hat and just tell him he is a moron for saying that... don't even know who's arguing, but he will be an embarrassment to his daughter when he shows up wearing that hat walking around like a tough guy. Bet ya daughter is proud, unless you verbally abused her into submission already.

Still shorter than an ordinary practice. Isn't this what the girls work for, a chance to play. I bet you also complain cause you daughter doesn't get into regular games. SMH

I wish I would have read this earlier , the funny part is I noticed some fat jack a-- on the sideline , at first I thought it was a loud mouth women but I guess I was wrong because they were wearing a Tennessee hat. Time to start eating some salads , fake tuff guy.

Haha......I saw that clown. I know you can put your own stupid hat on, but who ties your shoes?

you guys have no clue

Could we actually talk any HS lacrosse in the room? I thought GC looked very sharp. Some rust on all the teams which is understandable obviously.

Maybe the idiot doesn't realize if you do it in the 8, there is a free position from that spot. Learn the rules, probably one of the idiots on the sidelines always yelling at something that isn't even a foul.

I know the rules dbag...would rather take my chance with free position shot than have a full on one on one break distinct advantage to offensive player ....and obviously, there are spots where you want to foul and spots on field where you don't ...but any stoppage of play breaks the momentum, and net-net that's a positive for the defense. But either way, girls game has become awful with refs who have no clue and rules that have no teeth.
but to each her own....

Stat padding has begun at some horrible schools. When will everyone learn to be successful you need to play as a team?

tell you when that happens...when some brave coach puts in Newsday under players to watch pre-season preview, "The Whole Team"..
Don't hold your breath

Good teams will foul all the way down field to stop the break. Another tactic used all the time is to stop the break by going offsides while redefending. There is no penalty. They stop the break and sometimes cause turnover. If (thats a big if) the refs observe the offsides, the offending girl walks back over restraining line. Womens lax needs to take a look at some rules etc and make some changes.

agree....if there is no penalty other than a reset of play and making defender go a few feet behind, then offense gets screwed.....how many games in travel/HS turn into refs blowing whistle all game cause there is no penalty to defense for chippy defense?

I have emailed every member of the rules committee the last few years. have actually gotten a few responses. they say things like safety is the number one concern and the cross check is an "area of emphasis" type deal. nothing has happened that I can see. they want it physical bottom line. no point hoping for anything else. but it makes it hard to watch for the fans that's for sure.

The first rule that should be enforced is charging. It gets tiring watching girls try to power through 2 and 3 defenders because they don't want to pass the ball (and attack mom is yelling "go to goal" on the sidelines). Inevitably, the refs end up calling a foul on the defender, thus reinforcing the no pass mentality. Let's start with the charging calls and go from there. Or, let the girls police it and let the D get away with a defensive cross check. Suzie won't be so quick to drive through good defense next time.

Stop crying and tell your daughter to get out of the way