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If Dave Marr coached Fox Lane he would bring that school a Sectional title and possible State title. It takes more than talent to win titles.

The problem with John Jay is simple, it’s the toxic entitled parents who post on this board and bad mouth JJHS, the youth program and the summer programs. They talk behind their backs because they do not have the backbone to say it to anyone’s face, they need to hide behind an anonymous post. It’s the same type of parents who ran the Savastano’s out of town, great guys and great coaches.

These parents are entitled trophy parents, always blaming someone else for their shortcomings. How dare you tell my kid he can’t play on the best team in town, how dare you cut my kid from the summer team. These are parents that are not used to hearing no, they think money can buy anything. Well sorry, it can’t….they baby and control their children and then when they get to JJHS and their kid does not play, they complain to the AD and point fingers at everyone and degrade other kids behind their backs. It’s only going to get worse as the demographics are moving in that direction. Yorktown has the gritty determined kids and parents who support their program and work hard to win!

only a matter of time where town lax dies across the board. Kids and parents want to play with and against the best kids . The current offering of spring tourneys is a much better use of time and money. Travel programs in places like Long Island are playing 3-4 spring tourneys and 5 summer Plus they play all winter and fall. Only matter of time before westchester follows. And town as we know it will die. All the directors , Pt, eclipse, superstars. Express north etc should create a winter/spring league similar to Maryland and play each other Stop worrying about losing kids and do what's right in the big picture, which is getting these kids playing together as a team as much as possible. Let rec be rec 200 dollars. Dad coaches etc.

It seems getting rid of the dad coaches whose kids are goal hangers and their dads yelling on the sideline to get the ball to their kid is a great accomplishment.

Which shows why you have no idea what you are talking about, every town is different. You sound like another bitter parent whose kid got cut, get over it and play for a team that has the right skill for your child

When paid coaches come at a cost of 500 dollars per player and creates extremely low enrollment, I will take dad coaches any day. Let's keep it in perspective, it's town lax. And town sports should be cheap. The goal is to get kids playing. Your not teaching kids to build rockets. Dad coaches with oversight and management from a board of directors works just fine. Dad coaches in every other town sport . f

Not all LI travel club teams play spring tourneys - in fact most don't beyond the top teams. LI has PAL lax during the spring and most boys play in that league, with those also playing club having at least practices on a semi-regular basis in March and April. Boys in MS still even play PAL lax as another opportunity for touches - my 2021 son play PAL, MS, and club, as do most of his friends. My 2024 son plays PAL and club. PAL is recreational, and the cost is accordingly, but every community in LI plays in it, including the staid powerhouses: Manhasset, CSH, Garden City, etc. Their community programs that play in PAL are what build their dominance at the higher levels: the top programs have as many as three PAL teams per age group, every boy wants to play lax! The bottom line is that the communities that view lax as an overall program that encompasses both the youth organization and the local school are the most successful - travel club teams are where the top half of the talent go to further their game. Yes, there are some coaches who are affiliated with schools and club, and that is a double edged sword for a community and its school - some work well, some not as much, and some turn into unmitigated disasters as a result.

You must not be familiar with the youth football program at John Jay, all Dad coaches and all their kids are QB or running back. Wait until those kids get to HS, they will be on the bench. The other kids get 4 minimum pLAYS Dads kid never leaves the field. And how has that turned out? Their teams are all horrible with kids leaving to go to other towns...the only good team is their 6th grade team where the Dads son is an athlete and can legitimately play QB. Program is imploding, many parents would be glad to pay more to get rid of Daddy ball. Soccer did it years ago.

These better kids all started out in their Town programs. Get rid of the town programs and you get rid of the next generation of players. And if you keep the Town programs, but the top kids don't play, than the next level of athlete is less interested, and there will be a trickle down effect that will lead to the Town programs dying a slow death. The Town programs are the lifeblood of the sport and need to be maintained and populated with the best kids. A spring travel league can easily be organized without canabailizing the Town programs. Just play games at times that don't conflict with the Town schedules.

Also, there are still a ton of good athletes playing only Town lacrosse because they focus more on other sports and don't have the time, money and/or interest in playing travel. These players often become key players on good HS teams, and need to be playing Town with the top lax-centric athletes.

I completely agree with doing away with dad coaches but football and lacrosse are 2 very different animals. One has travel. One does not. For those kids looking for more coaching, more competition etc. they get that with the various travel programs. Football struggles for many reasons, the biggest being fear of injury. Town sports is the opportunity to attract as many kids as you can to build the foundation and it needs to be affordable.

So you agree with doing away with Dad coaches, what's your answer to making it "affordable" when you get paid coaches to replace Daddy?

No easy answer but willing to deal with dad coaches if it means growing the program. This is John jay. Plenty of qualified parents. But here are a few answers- 1- parent coach education. 2- create a curriculum from k-8 covering fundamentals and systems. 3- set up clinic days and run players as well as coaches through station based , fundamental , position specific training. This ensures kids and parent coaches are learning properly. Not sure you ever want to eliminate all coaches. But let them work with all teams , Goalie coach, fogo training, etc etc.

Other solutions. First year discount tuition, Free tuition dedicated goalie. Etc etc. time to think out of the box and build the culture and the future.

very good talent, just way too soft to really compete

with the very top teams. [/quote

Soft is right and it comes from the parents, a perfect example is the 7v7 tournament in November. An otherwise great game of Ridgefield vs John Jay 2022 was ruined by JJ parents. At the end, a JJ player was pushed down by a Ridgefield kid half his size, a legitimate penalty but the parents of the JJ kid ran onto the field cursing and yelling at the referee, Ridgefield players, coach, and parents...really horrible. That is softness...when was the last time you saw a Town parent run on the field for a push?? Huskers will roll them in april!!

2022 box team won 1 tourney and lost in final of the other 4 they entered, granted got smoked by 91 Blaze in one final but that's a team of 12 year olds playing against a team of 15 year olds

sorry but 5 teams earned entrance into the Nationals, not 2,
1 won the regionals, 1 came in 3rd and 3 came in 2nd

Blaze is 2021.... make up you own facts buddy, you know you can't beat them.

7/8 division tool box

They are 14 and its grade based, stop crying.

Express North 2020AA is a top 10 team nationally.

That is hilarious. Only thing nationally ranked is your fogo.

Top team in the Westhester/Fairfield area but not top 10 nationaly

Really good talent in addition to Fogo, particularly at the attack position, just not sure Top 10 nationally. . . . Guess we'll see this summer.

Nice team, but not quite in the top 10. Did they get a new FOA? Last year was good but not quite elite level. No disrespect intended.

In fact, a round robin among 2020 Predators, Primetime, 3d, and Express would be a good day of lax without a long drive.

Express North 2020 lost to crabs by 1, beat both laxachusetts AA teams, etc... Their Fogo and second string fogo both placed top 10 in the FOA national showcase. They would destroy ALL local teams (except primetime, which would be a good game).

North FOGO is from wepo, has numerous offers, and is the best uncommitted fogo. Destroyed at national showcase

Scarsdale HS is elite

True!

That there is some very strong kool aid. Channy must be so proud.

How much an impact will Marr's suspension have on Huskers season?

The #1 fogo for Express North AA is a stud out of Fairfield, Ct. The 2nd fogo lost in the first round of the FOA Showcase.

the best attack man plays for Eclipse

Hmmmm. . . . Not sure who you are referring to on Eclipse. They do have some strong attacks (although at least 3 are holdbacks) but think LIEN AA would beat them. . . .

Too bad Express N , Eclipse , and PT hardly ever play each other. i think the only matchup was the summer before last when Express beat PT.
Hopefully they will all square off this summer a few times. Throw in Predators and 3d tristate as well.

Is tri state nine d one a good program ? I don't hear much about them, I have a 9 year old and want to get him involved in travel going forward.

Great coaching , great director.

Express North, Eclipse and Prime Time (2020's) will all compete at NLF Main Event in June, then there is overlap between 2/3 teams at Crabfeast, Big 4 and later NLF event in LI. Would love to see them matched up against each other.

Is there any place we can viewed a list of Westchester kids who are committed to play college lacrosse? It would be interesting to compare the schools rosters and the college commitments. Who has the most, the best, etc. Any guesses?

Look through recruiting rundown by year. And it will tell you what school and travel program they play for. It takes a bit of time.

And/or go on Laxpower.com and search their database of players that have committed to schools. They track a wider net that includes d2 and d3.

11 commits for Yorktown, 6 for John Jay according to Laxpower. Oddly, all but one is in the junior class for JJ. We'll see if that will mean anything one they face each other. Depth perhaps.