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The kids do care and actually laugh at the hold backs and understand how sad it is that they have to repeat a grade and beat up younger kids. Do not fool yourself into thinking otherwise or rationalizing that it is only the adults.

You can tell that if your son's classmates are holdbacks/prefirst then you are a MIAA school parent who has bought in to the whole prefirst thing. Of course they are his friends since they are in his grade. While that is great for your son as MIAA middle school teams and HS teams with similar holdbacks play each other.
But the rest of MD public schools and lacrosse players dont have this made up grade nor do many public schools have anywhere near the amount of holdbcaks/prefisrt in their classes.
So no one cared when it was a MIAA thing. Now you want the majority of the lacrosse players in MD to let your prefist /holdbacks get a special advantage. Is there some reason that every same age cant get this special advantage only private schools get kids get ?? Didnt know that youth sports carved out special exceptions for kids unless they had some handicap?? Holding back doesnt seem like a Handicap??

So what happened that there was such a low turnout for Crabs 9th grade team and are all the players that moved to FCA attending Calvert Hall or UNC in the fall? The kids that showed up did not seem as strong as the kids that left and not the usual crabs level.

No they all went to the 2021 team

The Crabs brand is taking a hit. Too many other options. Same thing has happened to Skywalkers on the girls side. When they were the top dog, they could yell and scream at the girls all they wanted.

Low turnout at 2020 for Crabs. Less than 30 kids at 2022. 15 kids at 2024. People have realized that you don't have to subject your kid to RM and the lack of real coaches when you can put your kid at FCA with real coaches that really played the game and no how to coach it. How many Crabs coaches played the game at a high level for iconic College coaches and thus learned how to coach? I only know of one that is currently a Crabs head coach. Guess that's why FCA gets 80-90 kids to tryouts and Crabs gets 30.

My 2022 son has been to 2 club tryouts....his current and the Hawks and both had 4-5 Crabs helmets at each

Miss the FCA tryouts? I heard lots of Crabs made the move already.

Or it could be that FCA has A, B, and C teams to accommodate those 90 paying kids.

That would explain things if true.

Please stop feeding the narrative that Crabs is some elite team/program. Their owner never played the game and his coaching and behavior on sideline are suspect at best. They were good when there was no competition - those days are over. It shouldn't surprise anyone that there is little demand for their snake oil. Hmm... play for Kelly, Hogan, Million or play for a morbidly obese loud mouth. Easy decision.

Also if they go to CH they have no choice but to join FCA if they ever want to play in high school. That accounts for some of the numbers.

You got to come up with something better than that. Mike Daly played zero lacrosse. Look what he did at Tufts. Now Brown? Their putting kids in school, and yes they have a ton of holdbacks that really only matters in 7th,8th, grade. Kids catch up by then.

Actually the holdbacks will still benefit the teams of FCA, Looneys and Crabs through high school. Many kids do not reach their full size through a growth spurt until late high school. Only reason it does not matter when playing for your high school is that many of these kids will play varsity so they will play older kids willingly - and not all the the varsity teams have all players who hit their full size yet. It makes a difference in club still because these teams FCA, Looneys and Crabs have created full teams of holdbacks who play against predominantly younger stronger teams.

Can't put Looney's in the same group with Crabs and FCA. Looney's has about four holdbacks, all just one year older, and they have no double holdbacks. Crabs, on the other hand, this past spring/summer, their 2020 team was made up of mostly all holdbacks with a few double holdbacks. What they will look like this fall remains to be seen as many of their holdbacks/double holdbacks seems to be moving to FCA.
If that is the case, FCA will now take the lead in the number of holdbacks/double holdbacks and will most likely have to change their name to Fellowship of Cheating Athletes, which will be more befitting their 2020 team. If you think this is a Christian organization you will be totally wrong.

I missed the commandment that said Thou Shall Not Hold Thy Child Back. Not sure what it has to do with being a Christian organization

Only four? Don't know whether to laugh or not as to whether you think that is okay or that you think that is all you have. The way Looneys treats their bench players and the disrespect for other teams puts them right into the same category oh righteous one.

Mike Daly was a two sport athelete at Brown. RM is two time eating champion at Golden Corral. Apples to oranges.....

Sorry satin boy, you are completely wrong on all of your misinformed points. But keep on posting your stupid sh*t, we all enjoy a good laugh on a rainy day.

Then you are just too dense to figure it out. Guess we should feel sorry for you, but no one does.

How was the turnout at crabs 2020 tryouts today?

It was thinly attended. Most of the kids had drivers ed. Lil baby Ty Ty Xanders was there - tweeted that the Crabs are gonna be loaded this year. Fat Crab sat in box truck during the rain so his pork rinds didn't get wet.

Please explain how holding back a child is unethically and if a family makes that personal decision that an organization like FCA should be held responsible? Should FCA just cut those kids and let them play for the Crabs?

Most likely the only thing FCA 2020 is going to regret is bringing over the holdback middie from Crabs, the one that went to BL for 8th grade, going to CH for 8th and committed to UNC. Because with this player comes his obnoxious loud mouth father. He was not very well liked or respected by other Crab parents and it will be the same with the FCA 2020 parents.
Hope Kelly has the courage to handle this father, because he is a real piece of work.

It's unethical when an 8th grade team (Crabs) has kids in their line up that are 16 years old. Someone with some sense of decency might say - you are too old to be playing against 13 year olds - you can play for my club - but you are playing up. I know - it won't happen....

Lol 13 vs 16. Few more post and we you will 12 vs 17. You people are pathetic. The little league World Series announcer opened up Saturday's broadcast by saying "we have a talented range of athletes from 10-13years old, with May 1, 2016 as the cutoff. With that said . A 12 yr old 5'11 152lb pitcher from Italy walked on to the mound to face a 4'11 85lb Player from Mexico. Did the families of the Mexican players complain the entire 20 hr drive from their home country about how unfair it is... Nooooo. Their boys can play and lit the kid up for 12 runs!! Did phelps or any other 15-16 yr old Olympian athlete (or their parents) whine about how unfair it's is that they have to compete against 23 yr olds? Nooooo. Again, you are all pathetic. We all know if our kid "has it" or not and competing against a handful of older kids which happens in EVERY sport shouldnt matter one bit. Signed a parent of 2 on age players..

Neither of those sports are contact sports which is what bothers people -not who wins and loses

Well he better at least get used to him because they are together for four years of high school and college.

Lil Baby and Fat crab..sounds like a rap couple in Love!

They already made their real roster offers before today and it was just the tiebreaker between a few backup players who won't see the field much.

Not you again! The holdback apologist who masquerades as a " 2 on age players dad" . We already have proven that you are a holdback parent from another thread, Just sign on as a holdback apologist and parent and tell us your reasons..no need to lie..

Ok, so let me get this straight. You are comparing families that would like to see their son play with kids their own age in lacrosse to the greatest Olympic athlete ever? It's the Olympics, if your one of the best in the world you make the team regardless of age! From your post I guess your kids don't "have it" since they have to play down. Clown.

Crabs had a kid on the field during HOCO that was born in March of 2000. That made him 16 years old. He will be 20 when he graduates. Two kids on my sons 2020 elite team turned 14 in July and August. 28 month difference in age in a contact sport? That is beyond reasonable.

Get rid of one problem parent and add a problem child to your roster. Looking forward to seeing how crabs deals with all the egos on the team this year.

Are you seriously comparing baseball and swimming, both non-contact sports to lacrosse? There is a clown in the house for sure, but it isn't the original poster. I feel bad for kids whose parents hold them back for sports. Seriously, what message are you sending? Your aren't good enough to play against kids your own age, so let's hold you back so you can go beat up on younger kids.

It's a lack of faith in your kid's ability. Somewhere, sometime, someone told the parents that their kid needed to reclass as they were too small, too slow... Only hope, play down a level and open some doors that won't open if they play with their peers. It's just sad, because some of those kids would be recruited 2-3 yrs down the pike if given the opportunity to grow and practice. It's just such a weak mindset that would allow a seemingly average to above average kid to be left back academically, so that the kid has an easier path to play a sport or even get a scholarship- which is very much selling out your kid. Believe in your kid, push them to practice and work hard in the classroom. If talented and smart- they will get recruited. A small kid might very well Still be small at 17. Reclassing isn't going to help. PG if the school wants, but have faith in your kid. I'm happy to see that a good bunch of the early recruits this year are age appropriate. Just goes to show that kids are capable. Many more would show that they are too if adults didn't redesign their lives but let them prove themselves.

.. Do you honeslry think being bigger, stronger and older doesn't give you an advantage in all sports including baseball, swimming. stupidly brought to a whole new level.. mixing of ages happens in all sports it's just you lacrosse parents who get their panties in a bunch. U9 Gil's soccer has 7 year olds competing with 10 year olds who have made the cut off.. Parents of the 7 year olds choose to have their talented little athlete push themselves against bigger, stronger older girls.. Until of course it's recruiting time in 8th or 9th grade and they will play soccer against players in their grade and no longer play up to get noticed and recruited.

Soccer you are ONLY allowed to play up NEVER allowed to play DOWN. Soccer has a very good player card system at the competitive level..Not like Lacrosse where it is ok to play down ..BUT Only if you are a HOLDBACK....Still have the option to play up..but that is rarely seen and Never seen by holdbacks or apologists of holdbacks.

You can say what you want about him or his club, but the fact remains he was one of the originators of club lacrosse beginning with the old Baltimore prep, then BLC etc. Had players such as the stanwicks, rabil, etc. play for his club....Fact if you play for the crabs or against the crabs the college coaches will be on the sidelines....that is undeniably something he created.

Big difference in choosing to play up because you want to be challenged, versus choosing to play down because you want to look better. One of the best quotes I have read on this forum is "play up to get better, play down to look better". Choosing to play up is a character building choice, choosing to play down is the easier path for those that can afford it or can justify it at the expense (not monetary) of others.

Great replay Well thought out and I agree. Bottom line is kids in all sports play against other kids older and younger. Not sure why it is so bothersome to some that a 15 year old summer bday kid would dare step on a field with kids who are 14 1/2. What a Travesty! Lol. I for one welcome the competition for my barely on age player..