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As a parent I am Mad that my kid plays Lax for this horrible team

They will play in them, and they will (continue to) get wrecked at them. They are a B team at best - accept it for what it is and work through it...

Very pleased with VLC 2020 this Spring.

Ok VLC is playing the AA bracket in HOCO correct. What is there record? Would you call them elite? Is this VLC 2020 team better or as good or worse then the Madlax 2020 team? Now please name the 4 summer tournaments this VLC team will play in this summer. I am guessing they will stack up to as even or a little below when we write it all down. So for either of these teams to win more then they lose this summer the best 5 players from one of them needs to switch teams. And sense VLC only has the one tryout the only option is for kid to move to Madlax for the summer. Or everyone stays put and this is fine but we will both have long summers when it coming to winning ball games. Also has anyone got an answer on if Blackwolf will have a 2020 team this summer. If so this could be a option for NOVA to have an Elite 2020 this summer?

Not a competition, just stating pleased with VLC.

Madlax 2020 summer schedule Feel free to stack it up to VLC and the 3 tournaments they are playing in
Adrenaline Platinum Cup
June 18-19, 2016 Big 4 HHH
June 25-26, 2016 The Crab Feast
July 11-13, 2016 Naptown National Challenge
July 23-24, 2016 UMD Terps Young Guns Showcase

I am glad you are happy with VLC, I was more pointing to the guys bashing Madlax as a bad club and team. I just wanted to point out that Madlax as a club knows this team is lacking 24 elite players. And this is still the best place for the elite players not on Madlax now. The owner stuff if so over blown its nuts. I like to see parents put there kids in the best place to shine and be seen. Madlax is the still the best option. VLC is the second best option for sure. I just hate to see the elite players on those other 4 or 5 NOVA clubs missing the chance to play on the same field as the best in there class nation wide.

I think many would argue that the owner stuff is not overblown at all. It's reason enough for me to keep the organization at an arm's length.

And you my friend are one delusional about how great these other owners are. All these guys are crazy in their own way. I will argue that all the other guys involved with Madlax are the best group in Va. 99% of all the people talking bad about Madlax and the owner are parents of kids cut or who lost playing time to a better player.

I am glad you are happy with VLC, I was more pointing to the guys bashing Madlax as a bad club and team. I just wanted to point out that Madlax as a club knows this team is lacking 24 elite players. And this is still the best place for the elite players not on Madlax now. The owner stuff if so over blown its nuts. I like to see parents put there kids in the best place to shine and be seen. Madlax is the still the best option. VLC is the second best option for sure. I just hate to see the elite players on those other 4 or 5 NOVA clubs missing the chance to play on the same field as the best in there class nation wide.

Who gets cut from Madlax these days? Certainly not any 2020 or 2021 kids. Maybe Madlax is cutting the good kids and that's why their teams are struggling.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. As a VLC parent, here is my take ...

Maddux runs a BUSINESS, and any parent looking at Madlax needs to understand he will put the BUSINESS ahead of anything else. Case in point - HoCo. He knows, his assistants know, every coach in HoCo or any parent who has actually played high level lacrosse knows 2020 is simply not Elite level talent. That isn't to say they can't get there; but right now they are AA talent. Period. End of story.

Given that Maddux runs his clubs as a business; he's worry about brand perception. So his choice was to not play HoCo for the simple fact that they would not get grouped in the Elite bracket. There was no consideration for the kids, parents or anything else. It was a business decision. You can spin it with play dates vs. competition, etc. etc. -- but don't lose sight that what drove that decision was in the best interest of Madlax, and nobody else.

Contrast that to VLC. VLC is a non profit organization, only carries one team per age group. The 2020 boys play in the AA division, where they should rightfully be playing. There is no pretense of we should be Elite, etc. etc. - the coaches know it, the players know it and the parents know it. They laid out a plan for growth ... the team is fairly new, limited practices/reps and new coach. The plan then would be to gel as a team, learn the new system of the new coach and get in as much quality competition/practice as possible. This not only includes playing HoCo AA, but increased practice time and outside scrimmages as well (example, this past weekend was vs. Leading Edge and Crabs). This is about the KIDS getting better as a TEAM and learning to play lacrosse. This all builds up to summer, where the team hopes to be playing at an "Elite" caliber level.

My opinion is Madlax did a disservice to the parents and kids on their 2020 team. If they follow the model of we only play "Elite" level competition cause we are too, parents/kids will be in for long days and a miserable summer (e.g. Looney's play day this past weekend - what did the kids learn from that?). Take those miserable moments and add in costs, and the calculus is fairly simple. Parents will get frustrated and kids will look for greener pastures. I know VLC lost some kids to Madlax this spring; won't be surprised at all if those kids try and come back. I have no doubt VLC tryouts this Fall will probably bring in even more kids this year; as eyes have been opened for the local NoVA clubs since everyone is playing in HoCo save Madlax.

Who gets cut from Madlax these days? Certainly not any 2020 or 2021 kids. Maybe Madlax is cutting the good kids and that's why their teams are struggling.

I can not argue with any part of this post. You are 100% correct with what you say. I am not happy with what the owner did with 2020. As I stated 100 times the talent is not there or to spread out. And I do not think Madlax was prepared to have the top team not get the top talent or for the top talent to not be available.

And you my friend are one delusional about how great these other owners are. All these guys are crazy in their own way. I will argue that all the other guys involved with Madlax are the best group in Va. 99% of all the people talking bad about Madlax and the owner are parents of kids cut or who lost playing time to a better player.

This guy cracks me up but all and I mean all NOVA teams at 2020 are the same or worse then these Madlax 2020,2021 teams. Please try and name one who is better from NOVA. You can not do it.

I just wanted to point out that Madlax as a club knows this team is lacking 24 elite players. And this is still the best place for the elite players not on Madlax now. The owner stuff if so over blown its nuts. I like to see parents put there kids in the best place to shine and be seen. Madlax is the still the best option. VLC is the second best option for sure.

Then why is 2020 not playing in the HOCO league?

Madlax 2020 looks to be between divisions (AA & Elite). HoCo would not let them in Elite.

Madlax 2020 looks to be between divisions (AA & Elite). HoCo would not let them in Elite.

Based on what?

Game scores from their website.

Wow.

Madlax 2020 - not in the league

Madlax 2021 - now 0-3. Outscored 34-5

Madlax 2022 - now 1-2. Got their first win beating Storm, who is 0-3.

Wow.

Madlax 2020 - not in the league

Madlax 2021 - now 0-3. Outscored 34-5

Madlax 2022 - now 1-2. Got their first win beating Storm, who is 0-3.

This guy cracks me up but all and I mean all NOVA teams at 2020 are the same or worse then these Madlax 2020,2021 teams. Please try and name one who is better from NOVA. You can not do it.

Ok VLC is playing the AA bracket in HOCO correct. What is there record? Would you call them elite? Is this VLC 2020 team better or as good or worse then the Madlax 2020 team? Now please name the 4 summer tournaments this VLC team will play in this summer. I am guessing they will stack up to as even or a little below when we write it all down. So for either of these teams to win more then they lose this summer the best 5 players from one of them needs to switch teams. And sense VLC only has the one tryout the only option is for kid to move to Madlax for the summer. Or everyone stays put and this is fine but we will both have long summers when it coming to winning ball games. Also has anyone got an answer on if Blackwolf will have a 2020 team this summer. If so this could be a option for NOVA to have an Elite 2020 this summer?

Let me beat this dead horse again. What NOVA travel team is better? So bash Madlax and any of there teams records all you want. But they are still the best team and program in NOVA. And all any of you do by not playing for Madlax is hurt NOVA lacrosse and make 3 to 5 avg to really weak teams and keep the area from having at least one ELITE team. So yes I agree these two Madlax teams are weak. But all of you can sleep well knowing you are keeping little Johnny safe from the BIG BAD mean owner who yells at kids and hurts there feelings. And you MOM and DAD you are safe from that very scary email calling you a bad name. You all have done you job of making the world a better place. Thanks

The only scores I found show them losing to all of the teams in the Elite bracket, that makes them AA at best, not AA+ or Elite-.

They had the opportunity to try out for the Elite bracket, they felt that was beneath them, so they spend their time trolling lacrosse forums instead.

... and the others who do not belong there either...

The only scores I found show them losing to all of the teams in the Elite bracket, that makes them AA at best, not AA+ or Elite-.

They had the opportunity to try out for the Elite bracket, they felt that was beneath them, so they spend their time trolling lacrosse forums instead.

I see what you did there - stopped cross-referencing after the Elite division. When you look at results against AA teams they win. Maybe they should play more of both.

Does Blackwolf have a 2020 team? And the VLC team lost to this Madlax team. Is this correct please let me know where I am wrong. And I have also said many times there should be enough talent in NOVA to field 3 really good or elite teams. But not 4 or more. And we all can agree with this point or at least i think we can.