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Lots of talk about this, my son is a Jesters kid and keeps asking me about this, Is there any truth to these rumors? A bunch of the Piranha kids and Express Orange team kids are looking to leave the Express? I've watched both teams play and if that's true you could put one [lacrosse] of a team together if you mixed all these kids together. With the right coaching it could be a very good team. Leave it to the Express to let good players go................

Lots of talk about this, my son is a Jesters kid and keeps asking me about this, Is there any truth to these rumors? A bunch of the Piranha kids and Express Orange team kids are looking to leave the Express? I've watched both teams play and if that's true you could put one [lacrosse] of a team together if you mixed all these kids together. With the right coaching it could be a very good team. Leave it to the Express to let good players go................

At this age very rare at team loses a top Player. If MC didnt pick a Player, seems to be a reason.

So the 2017 Express "Orange" team is the only team on Long Island with top players? Good players dont move around? fl$, 91, Gladiators, True Blue might have an issue with that.......

Ummm yeah, lots of very good players on both the Piranhas and the Orange who will not be back with the Express because of the way they were treated. I think its you who needs to wake up. Oh Im sorry I must be crazy, the only good players were "chosen" and are now Lax immortals.......

And its me that needs to wake up?

Talent and money influence many sports. Look at golf, you can't excel if the money isn't there to support fees and instructors. Many young golf prodigies go to school at golf academies instead of attending "normal" schools. Very expensive.

Let's assume some things-
Let's assume this isn't about money and in a way to serve the bottom line of an organization or a certain indoor training facility that is owned by people personally involved in said organization.
Let's assume this isn't a question of talent and many of those chosen were given no greater opportunity than those not selected. I agree completely

So now money and talent are removed as issues

Why form this team mid July, 2 weeks before tournament season was over for the current teams? Why form this team without advising any of the existing coaches?

This isn't an issue of envy, it is an issue of courtesy and respect. While we can appreciate that our boys wiill grow into men and face all the challenges in the world, competition in youth sports can be done in an open informed tryout. Had this taken place in September this team would be conversation, not a controversy

Just saying that the BULK of talented players from express orange & pihranas are MOST prob going to stay with the express and are currently practicing. And if your son was "chosen" you wouldn't be crying about it. Like most hypocrites that gave people a hard time. Than when MC gave them the late invite it was all peachy!

There are only 6 Piranha kids that were asked, so i dont think that constitutes the bulk of the team. This wasnt done on a talent basis and everyone knows it, so give it up. So i guess your saying if a kid wasnt picked theyre not talented?

Just saying that the BULK of talented players from express orange & pihranas are MOST prob going to stay with the express and are currently practicing. And if your son was "chosen" you wouldn't be crying about it. Like most hypocrites that gave people a hard time. Than when MC gave them the late invite it was all peachy!

There are only 6 Piranha kids that were asked, so i dont think that constitutes the bulk of the team. This wasnt done on a talent basis and everyone knows it, so give it up. So i guess your saying if a kid wasnt picked theyre not talented?

I never said that, please don't put words in my mouth. I feel every player has talent, some more than others but thats in anything. You said, "this wasn't base on talent and everyone knows it"-- who knows it? Who's "everyone"? Those who are bitter & can't stop whineing? If your son was picked weeks back you wouldn't be complaining. And if you don't think its a talented group, than your very delusional.

You can have your son go to the tryouts and hope he gives his best effort or move on, very simple.

Korwan (Express Piranhas 2017) VS. McManus (Express Orange 2017) for the match ups since teams formed in fall- they played 4 scrimmages/games- record- 2(W)-1(L)-1(T) in favor of the Piranhas.

New 2017 Orange team formed over last few weeks had initially 10 McManus kids selected and 4 Piranhas, now 7 Piranhas.

Piranhas team was on the rise this year with plenty of talent. Look at the math, Piranhas were a stronger team based on record, with fewer kids selected.

New 2017 team based purley on talent, NO LOGIC TO THAT.

I believe it was talent based. I also believe the 2017 McManus team had a better tournament season then the 2017 Piranhas

I never said that, please don't put words in my mouth. I feel every player has talent, some more than others but thats in anything. You said, "this wasn't base on talent and everyone knows it"-- who knows it? Who's "everyone"? Those who are bitter & can't stop whineing? If your son was picked weeks back you wouldn't be complaining. And if you don't think its a talented group, than your very delusional.

You can have your son go to the tryouts and hope he gives his best effort or move on, very simple.

Break the Express spell........go elsewhere.....the Express is NOT the key to your kids success....stop drinking the koolaide and play for a team that respects the kids/parents etc.

When a man/organization shows their true colors OVER & OVER again, down the line they will show YOU their true colors OVER & OVER again! Why is this situation such a suprise to you all? How often has he/they done the exact same thing? Yet you all let your kids play for them, not thinking it would happen to your child? For those of you with "Chosen" kids, dont try to justify it, there is no justifying it, just enjoy it now because you dont know who will be "Chosen" next year (or worse yet, in September or November or January or even July)

& BTW, this isn't sour grapes...Ive got a couple/few "Chosen" kids of my own that "Chose" somewhere else

Couldn't agree more.........but you know they'll still have 200 unknowing souls at their tryouts to make their donation.

Won't be me........

and that is most likely because your son is not good enough to make one of their better teams. Express works for some and not others. As does 91 and other clubs for other kids. There are plenty of teams out there....find one that works for you and stop complaining .

I am just pissed off that took our chef away. Can we all just move on now.

So where are teams playing this fall?

Is Anyone going to New Haven on 11/17?
Anyone going to Fairfield Univeristy on 11/18?
How about Princeton Junction on 11/3?
Others?

its call football season

I don't want to adverstise as Cage Sage gets a little ansie about unapproved advertising. He wouldn't even let me mention the location or date of a particular tournament in northern Nassau County at the end of October like I did with the others in my list.

I understand and respect your policy, which is why I did not mention the tournaments by name, but rather by location and date - i was interested in those particular events. So how are we to know what events have been 'approved' so that we can discuss them? Can we only talk about the events listed on the side bars or that have already occured in the past?

Having been rebuked once in a past post, I attempted to comply with the spirit of your policy by not mentioning the names of the tournament. So I was surprised when you deleted my reference to the Nassau tournament, (when in fact, if you do a search of all posts on BOTC, it has already been mentioned) and not the Fairfield or Princeton Junction tournaments which have not been discussed or anywhere else 'approved'.

Thank you for maintaining this forum and all of the information it provides. It must be a lot of work. I wish there was something like it for Westchester/Connecticut.

-no longer anonymous