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I'm thinking he was talking about yesterdays game. Check newsday and come back to us with your thoughts.

Why do you need to have thoughts on this at all? You should worry about yourself!!!

Let the point padding begin with some weak non conference games kicking off soon.

True, If everybody had your attitude there would be no need for this forum. Because 95% of these topics are nonsense.

I am looking at Newsday now - I don't see that much stat padding. A lot of the games were high scoring yesterday and some kids just had more goals than other but there were 20-17, 19-15, etc games which are close games and goals needed to be scored to win the games. Think its more of a function that the games are high scoring so the # of goals scored by the better players are higher. I don't view it as stat padding.

Another point - just because kids don't have assists listed doesn't mean they didn't try! If they feed it to a teammate and that girl is unable to finish it doesn't count as an assist for the kid who gave up the ball and this happens ALL the time!

The great part of this is that one of the two girls who scored 4 goals is real young. So here we have the ¨padding the scores complainer. And wait for it....... One of the girls was a 8th grader..... so according to many on here she should be playing MS lacrosse and waiting her turn..So now those fools can jump aboard... Look now the idiots can complain about two things at once..... SMH

Sorry but my kid was on the losing end of that Babylon game yesterday. Two things,1) the report of the scoring seems to be wrong as I believe we were down 10-1 at some point ,2) The game was non competitive , it was clear from the start we realistically had no chance so the kid putting up 8 goals in a beat down was in my opinion poor sportsmanship. Before the calls of stop crying and have a catch with your kid etc.. Seems to me when you are obviously the better team maybe spread the ball around more etc. Don't mind a team scoring as it gives us a chance to get the ball back but to have 1 kid continuously go to the goal seemed over the top and honestly would think that has to create some issues within the winning team.

its on the coach

Six other kids scored and others had opportunities to score and couldn't finish. Thought this was varsity lax not youth.

Bet the kid didn't score when she was pulled off or when she played defense.

There it is, the me first lacrosse parent. Nobody said don't beat the opponent but move the ball around to kids who might not get another shot all season. Its a team game and nobody cares if your kid gets recruited except you and her club coach

I agree. Ive been watching girls lacrosse for years, you would never see one person score 8 goals on manhasset or Garden city seems to be a suffolk thing. Lets pad our stats against an inferior opponent

I guess you are only referring to girls lax. In boys Garden City and it's supposed legendary coach "Doc" D beat up on a New Hyde Park team 34-0 and their super star attackmen Gibbons had at least 8 goals. Post script, Doc was gone the following year. Gibbons was shut out in the LI championship game by a suffolk Huntington team that was up 19-10 and could have scored more but the coach called off the dogs. Must be a suffolk thing. You must be new to lacrosse.

I'm sure it's not just a Suffolk thing but my daughters have played lax in Suffolk for many years and I can agree with you that some of the most egregious examples are from Suffolk (lets see, the East Islip coaches daughter, the Islip sisters and friend, the WB girl(s), the Bellport girls last year etc..) Like a previous poster said, these teams will usually get shut down by a team that understands defense. IIRC, none of these won Section XI or states.

AS for the poor team that had a girl score 8 against them, they lost by more than 10 two days in a row to a school that is a 1/4 the size of them and a school that is 1/2 the size of them so they have their own issues. While I agree that 8 is a lot to put up, can't the team double that girl and see if that works?
NB also beat up a much smaller team by more than 10 and their top scorer had 7, what's up with that?

I agree with almost all of that, except the part about the WB girls. SA was getting 8 goals in a 13-11 win/loss...those other kids were getting 8 goals in a 19-2 win, big difference. Just my humble opinion and i'm not a suffolk mom

The issue shouldn't be with the player, it should be with the coach. Take the scorers out and let the other girls get some time. These are non league games that are meaningless. When those big girls do get shut down by a better defense, the coach has no one else to rely on because the other girls have never touched the ball.

Are you SS then? Talking up your WB TG gal? Take a look at the stats....in the three games WB put up over 20, SA scored 9-7-7 against powerhouses like EH and DP. Get your facts straight

Again that falls on the coach not the player. Coach has to take her out and let yonunger girls play. Came back to bite them in the rear when Hauppauge finally figured out how to stop them. Coach expected the 8th and 9th graders to all of a sudden be goal scorers when they weren't allowed to shoot all season.

Except for the top programs most coaches wonder why their talent falls off a cliff? its part genetics, part practice and part that they never let the bottom half of the roster develop in games that are being won handily. So then girls quit which is bad for the sport. Now some club parent who had their kid recruited in 8th grade is going to tell me its good that kids quit but I disagree.

Which team is happier? One that has 50% of the team involved in the scoring or one that has 1 girl that goes to the cage 95% of the time?

Team game, recruiting be damned!

I assume you are talking about W Bab last year. No one really needed to figure out how to stop them, it was obvious. They were a weak team despite having two great players. W Bab produces great individual players, not so good on producing team players, that is why their team is weak every year.

I was surprised Huntington lost to Farmingdale. Looks like it was a good game.

At some point if you are a really good player you have to realize the team you are playing is overmatched and also realize its embarrassing to keep scoring.Yes the coach gets most of the blame but so does the player .If it were my kid the 8 goals would be a problem but worse would be the big goose egg for assists.I know here comes the stop picking on little girls comments but if you are such a stud you can put up 8 goals against an inferior team then you should be strong enough to hear some criticism about it.

Are the girls enjoying the new Huntington coach?

Lacrosse becomes less of a team game every year. Get the ball to XYZ and then everyone else can stop running because the ball is never coming back.

Brussels was attacked by terrorists, people died, many people were hurt!! In the grand scheme of things this really means NOTHING!! There are much bigger things people should be concerned about.

Not saying this is the reason but I heard the Senior Goalie injured her knee in Basketball and out for the season. I feel sorry for her, I have seen her play many times she is a difference maker.

Our coach feels his XYZ is the winning lottery ticket and they can do no wrong , Run ball from one end of the field to another with zero transition , maybe move ball around once , but you better make sure you feed my XYZ because they are allowed to make mistakes !! ... I think many can relate .

Are all of the 7th now 8th graders up on Varsity?

And yet you are on posting about it . Yes there are much bigger things than girls lacrosse that people are concerned about but why come onto a site about girls lacrosse to post about it. Trying to deflect from the poor sportsmanship, poor coaching, poor team chemistry it all creates is useless when it obviously means everything to the ball hog kids parents.

I get the point that at some point in the game the better players should get other involved, but being surprised about lack of assists is another. Do you know how difficult an assist is in girls lacrosse. It's not hockey, you don't get an assist by simply making the last pass before a goal. Any stats you read in newsday about girls having 6,7,or more assists in a game is just bad scoring or plain BS . I read a boxscore last season that showed a team having more assists than goals, I believe that's impossible. My point is we should not group girls as not being team players simply because their assist to goal ratio is very low.

Which team is happier? One that has 50% of the team involved in the scoring or one that has 1 girl that goes to the cage 95% of the time?

An assist is one thing , but transition from one end of the field to another by solely one player is just poor coaching ! A player should be looking for their outlet and this should be reinforced. its not rocket science , not run the ball down field as y and z stage for their buddy system play. TEAM is what this game is about , TRUSTING their team without mixed messages from their parents is what separates good from bad . Hopefully the curious coach reading this will catch the hint !

Travel players pass to other travel players on their school teams and no one else. The team sport concept is broken and the travel parents are fine with it because as long as they get theirs that's all that matters

I disagree. I see a lot more goals scored from assists and smart play than from one player trying to bully her way through the defense and having a turnover.

And regarding the team with more assists than goals, UGH. My daughter's college team (not lax) used to fudge the numbers like that. It was the coach's doing and he wanted one girl's stats to be nationally ranked, which they were, but she'd get credit for an assist two passes back from the goal! There's a lot of bull[lacrosse] that goes on in the stats, some of it mistakes and some delberate.

The former, without a doubt.

As long as officials constantly reward bad play by offensive players who charge into defenders and into double/triple and quadruple teams but get free position shots the game will never improve. Defenders cannot defend when every call in a game goes against them. The biggest/heaviest girls now charge into the defense and get rewarded.

I agree on real good teams but not on most school teams. My point was that is much more difficult to pick up an assist than most people realize. The pass has to directly lead to the goal and must be the reason the goal is scored ( no catch and dodge to shed a defender). So girls with low assist totals should not be all treated as selfish players

Jeez, what an a-hole answer. I hope you don't teach your children your form of sportsmanship.

Is everyone still playing in scrimmages and non- leagues at this point or have conference games already started?