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first off you seem to know an awful lot about what transpires for a club that you are not affiliated with
secondly, Shannon is at every practice doing the training
I don't understand why it concerns you

Last year for us. And yes we know an awfu lot. My wife and I don't want other families to waste more money and time with this club as they have not met expectations, and put
My daughters recruiting at risk. Run if you can. Our youngest will keaventhusmyesrmto follow out oldeest, and I wished they could right the ship, but doesn't seem possible.

I assume by your post that your daughter is a 2017 because you say it is your daughters last year. It also sounds like she has not been recruited as of yet. The part of your comment that strikes me is that you state that TG has not met expectations. What do you mean by that?

Did you expect them to make her a top D1 prospect? That is not how this works. Perhaps your expectations are much higher than her lacrosse skills. There are a lot of TG girls over the years that are/have gone to D1 programs. Most of these girls have gone through the same program like your daughter. So why have they been recruited? They are just better lacrosse players. I would actually say they had less training/practices than today. This is not an insult to your daughter, but you must realize our kids are not the greatest, mine included. Those young ladies that go to top D1 programs are born with certain skills and spend countless hours on their own honing those skills. TG can advise them on what to do but they cannot simply make them a better player. What's the old saying when it comes to basketball...you cannot teach height.

I wish your daughter well and I am sorry you have had such a terrible experience. We certainly have not.

There is a huge gap between being a top D1 prospect and getting recruited by any D1, D2 or D3 school. From my experience the Smiths have been reactive as opposed to proactive. Many girls in the program feel the same way. They will contact you if a coach calls to ask about your daughter, not the other way around. Half the 2017 class are still uncommitted and more than half of 2018 are still uncommitted. At the recruiting meeting given every year, the girls are told there is a place for everyone. Well how do you find that place with no help?

There is a huge gap between being a top D1 prospect and getting recruited by any D1, D2 or D3 school. From my experience the Smiths have been reactive as opposed to proactive. Many girls in the program feel the same way. They will contact you if a coach calls to ask about your daughter, not the other way around. Half the 2017 class are still uncommitted and more than half of 2018 are still uncommitted. At the recruiting meeting given every year, the girls are told there is a place for everyone. Well how do you find that place with no help?

Your explanation is accurate, there are many players , or more correctly parents that think this club has failed them, when in fact they need to be pro active in recruiting. But the scarey part is I am watching the very best players they have, in several age groups walk away. Players that will get recruited no matter where they choose to play, yet they are choosing not to stick around.

When you go to the TG website I see something like (16) girls committed from 2018. The majority of them are from Black when you look at the rosters. There are (21) from the 2017's. I assume most are Black team as well. The 2017 group is not a strong class at TG. The 2018 group is better at least on the Black level. These numbers look OK to me. If 2018's are walking away, it is from the Purple team certainly not the Black team.

Being proactive means setting realistic college goals both athletically and more importantly academically. If your daughter wants to play D1 then she should look at lower tier teams since all the top D1 programs are long done with 2017/2018 recruits. If D2 or D3 is the goal you need to reach out and get recognized. Again, I think a lot of disgruntled parents should accept reality...IMHO

When you go to the TG website I see something like (16) girls committed from 2018. The majority of them are from Black when you look at the rosters. There are (21) from the 2017's. I assume most are Black team as well. The 2017 group is not a strong class at TG. The 2018 group is better at least on the Black level. These numbers look OK to me. If 2018's are walking away, it is from the Purple team certainly not the Black team.

Being proactive means setting realistic college goals both athletically and more importantly academically. If your daughter wants to play D1 then she should look at lower tier teams since all the top D1 programs are long done with 2017/2018 recruits. If D2 or D3 is the goal you need to reach out and get recognized. Again, I think a lot of disgruntled parents should accept reality...IMHO

Can we not freak everyone out? There are still plenty of 2018 spots at good D1 programs out there. We just had a 2018 girl from our club commit to Gtown.

How did they put your daughter's recruitment at risk ? Are you not in control of where your your daughter attends school ?

The club's record of players going on to play college ball over the last 3 years (2014,2015 and 2016) is very good. In fact almost 100 % in the last 2 classes. Are they all top 20 D1 ? No, But really how many kids are ?

I have been to many of the TG Recruitment meetings and can 100% state that if you listened and approached the recruitment process the way SS laid it out and were realistic your daughter would either be committed or close.

Scholarship or PWO Preferred walk on? Most teams money is gone already

Nope she's 2018, and the problem is college coaches seem to not want to deal with SS. Twice in discussion with coaches the said they would rather not speak to SS or BS. One said he was burned by one of them and he doesn't want any dealings with her. We are leaving after this year and my other daughter will leave as well. That's what I meant by last year with TG

So a recruiter is going to pass on her club based on the club she plays for or the coach of that club? Please elaborate a little bit her. I would think if a girl is a great lax player, they will at least want to interview her and take it from there. Lets not forget her academics.

If she really is that great don't you think she would have left this club by now?

So a recruiter is going to pass on her club based on the club she plays for or the coach of that club? Please elaborate a little bit her. I would think if a girl is a great lax player, they will at least want to interview her and take it from there. Lets not forget her academics.

Never said a recruiter will pass on her, just that they don't want to talk to the club directors at TG. All the bologna that BS and SS talk about helping get the girls recruited is bull. We have been handeling recruiting and Im not getting into details because we are stuck with TG this year. We are leaving because there is not help from the TG club. My daughters friend at the same age team left and YJ has helped her with recruiting.

Be careful she may come to your daughters club and bump her down to the B team

Are you referring to paid or non-paid recruiting services?

The point of the conversation was about the majority of recruiting eligible girls at TG not feeling the love they were told they would get. If its up to the parents to sign up for clinics and camps to get their daughter seen, why are we giving so much money to these clubs?

[quote=Anonymous]looking at recent commits from TG, it seems that there are in the last year or two there has been a big change in the level of schools and the number of top schools that recent commits are committing to. Along with the number of freshman recruits that left Hofstra, there seems to be a decline of the TG club and Hofstra program. It seems that honeymoon is over for SS. Is it related to the way she treats her girls? Maybe she needs to stop listening to her father, and get rid of the my way or highway attitude.

SS took over a very good 2020 team and had a good summer last year. She decided she knows all and dismantled the team lets see if she knows what she's doing or in for a very humbling experience opening the door for more girls to leave this team.

She did not dismantle the team, A lot of players left both 2020 teams. TG was left scrambling to plug all those empty slots. A whopping total of 20 girls combined left Black and purple 2020. TG is in a lot of trouble.

[quote=Anonymous]looking at recent commits from TG, it seems that there are in the last year or two there has been a big change in the level of schools and the number of top schools that recent commits are committing to. Along with the number of freshman recruits that left Hofstra, there seems to be a decline of the TG club and Hofstra program. It seems that honeymoon is over for SS. Is it related to the way she treats her girls? Maybe she needs to stop listening to her father, and get rid of the my way or highway attitude.

SS took over a very good 2020 team and had a good summer last year. She decided she knows all and dismantled the team lets see if she knows what she's doing or in for a very humbling experience opening the door for more girls to leave this team.

Please back your opinion with facts please

She did not dismantle the team, A lot of players left both 2020 teams. TG was left scrambling to plug all those empty slots. A whopping total of 20 girls combined left Black and purple 2020. TG is in a lot of trouble.

No horse in this race but if what you state is true and 20 girls left the two top teams that's crazy turnover and something is seriously wrong!!

In a lot of trouble for what? They may loose some games? My daughter loves playing for SS and is improving as a player under her. Of the kids that left they either chose to go elsewhere or where moved down to Purple so they moved on. Purple kids left because they couldn't make the Black team and they moved on. If they left and made an A team for another program then TG was wrong if they moved for another B team then they just needed a change of scenery. You make decisions for your daughter and I hope you have success. My daughter is happy here so please stop worry about what kind of trouble TG may be in my kid can handle it.