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I don’t know but that might be a good idea. My daughter’s team plays hard and wins tournaments but rarely gets yellow card. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but not to the point as this team does. We may need to more on the refs.

good questions, I was thinking that referees would have access to a simple database where they report yellow and red cards, and then every opposing team checks the database before a game and prints it out for the ref to show which kids are suspended. And if coaches get cute by issuing different jerseys and they get caught, the team should be kicked from the league.

As for people commenting on "how bad refs are", while I do agree that more consistency is needed, i think we can agree that everyone can find faults in referees accross all sports.

Nobody wants to go to that bogus 25min game showcasde/yj fundraiser, it's 60-70% YJ teams!

... and that database would be owned and hosted by what organization? Who is handling permissions, user accounts, accuracy of the inputs, appeals, and escalations?

So, team rosters would need to be available both before the tournament and during the tournament for review? Many rosters do not have set players tied to a specific team.

Now the roster does not just have te player name and team, but also jersey numbers?

What league or tournament has bought into such a central database? So, these independent leagues will refund the revenue for a team in violation? What would be their motivation to offering a refund?

There is a reason that the USYSA (soccer) has such a strong central processing environment which is managed through local leagues and sanctioning organizations.

I think there should also be some kind of grade/DOB enforcement. I know a coach with a town team, girls are going into 11th grade and has registered them in the JV division all summer. Has done this for a few years now.

You must be a freshly graduated to make such an immature statement. Carol Rose isn't just one person in an organization, Carol Rose Is the Yellow Jackets and not only deserves, but must take all the blame for the conduct of every team that puts that pinnie on there backs. I don't don't care how well she gets along with her players , or what color she colors her hair, or wether or not she rides that stupid bike or not. What I , you, every parent of every club, every ref, tournament organizer, and college recruiter should care about is that every girl should be able to take the field without fear that they might get intentionally hurt. That is not the case when taking the field against any Yellow Jacket team. Carol might care for her kids from start to finish, now she must start caring for all kids from start to finish. You being a recent D1 player should know better than any one how devastating an injury that girl sustained, and how close she is to never having the same D1 experience you just completed, for what "aggressive play" . I agree that accidents do happen in sports, but a broken Femur, a torn A.C.L , and a torn Meniscus in a single play for a ground ball is excessive. Have you personally seen such extensive damage in the defense of a single ground ball. Carol and the Jackets should be "Bashed" as a whole, because Carol not only could, but should step in and personally replace the coaches and take control of this renegade team playing under her banner. If she does not than the lacrosse community as a whole can only assume that she condones it. She is the director, and has total responsibility .

Rumours are once again swirling that YJ has a seven figure buyer on the line that cr is trying to reel in...

I have watched the 2015 YJ blue play many times and they are in no way even close to as aggressive as all the D1 girls lacrosse teams I have seen.That being said they need to start calling charges more often start giving out yellow cards to the players who I have seen act like they were fouled every time they lose the ball.I film many games and it amazes me how many girls either learn or are taught to grab their head as if contact was made when it is clear on video it was not.

Easiset game to ref because you can and do change the rules from game to game and very few are really quite sure what the correct call should be!!

SEVEN FIGURES? Then That wouldnt be a coach or a director looking to take over that would be a wall street private equity group! BIG BUSINESS this Long Island Lacrosse

I heard they are way up in teams this year! I guess they don't need you HATERS!

Please the renegade team is full of top D1 recruits that the college coaches are salavating over! Get a grip. YJ will be posting class of 2015 soon because colleges LOVE THEM. These kids and coaches have done nothing wrong. There is even a YJ player in hospital with a possible broken jaw from phantastix you don't here them bashing other teams for there aggressive play. The kid did not break her femur it was a fibula. Know the facts before you spew your false venom at a team you know nothing about. A team that has never had an ejected player for any reason. this was a freak accident!!

Replace the coaches for a 50/50 ground ball that resulted in 2 players colliding. Wow thats ridiculous much less immature on your part. How is that coaches fault please explain would love to hear this.

BOTC hopes that you are correct. If there was recruiting interest last season and it carries through to this year, that ground-work was a success.

If the tournament increases the number of teams this year, that will be a great achievement. The Yellow Jackets and in particular Tracy were great supporters in our first year here on BOTC and it would be wrong of us not to recognize her efforts with us.

In our marketing the 2011 event, BOTC found that there were numerous girls clubs from Long Island and New Jersey that would not entertain options to attend their end-Summer Tournament even at a discounted rate.

We have ideas on how to change that picture.

We remain convinced that this end-Summer event COULD BE a tremendous anchor recruiting event for Long Islanders. Until the barriers between the clubs (and in particular the Yellow Jackets) come down, the event will be what it is - a nice local recruiting event focused on the Yellow Jackets.

Our phones and e-mail addresses are open to help.

That girl grabbed her leg faking a broken bone, torn acl etc.... She should get an Oscar

Omg you guys bash cr and the yj and now you want to help them- give me a break! This is not their only tournament.

so no player on this team has ever received two yellow cards in a game? and you criticize someone else about not checking the facts?

So because a player gets two yellow cards in a game that means its the coaches fault...it's CR fault??? I don't get it she teaches as do her coaches to never give up play until the whistle blows. Sometimes games get heated and things happen if you think otherwise you never played sports. I have watched two teams battle it out like you couldn't imagine on the field and then the girls are sitting together in a restaurant eating afterwards. It's the ignorance of people who can not accept accidents that make situations worse. Is there nothing else going on in the world that you are obsessing over CR and the Yellow Jackets. Are the only injuries at tournanents during YJ games I doubt it!! I watched this weekend a YJ knock over another while playing defense on her after the whistle blew rather then the YJ taking her position behind the player for the free position shot she reached out her hand and helped the girl up...does that mean she will be cut next year from YJ for being nice!! Accidents happen in every sport look at football ice hockey mens lacrosse it's a part of competition and we can't play aggressively then we should be swimmers (no offense). The only thing that needs to be done to prevent this from happening again is the girls need to be trained to position their feet and get in front of players rather then barreling them down but like I said earlier accidents happen and I'm sure the girl who hurt that other player feels bad they are not animals like you make them out to be...your immaturity and ignorance is sickening . By the way I tore my ACL in college bc a player slide tackled me taking out my leg...it happens. Let it go!!!

I agree, this is not the kid's fault or CR's or the coach's, because no one (not one specific example) has come forward with any info that says "the coach or CR tells the players to...." And I doubt it's going to happen.

I was just pointing out that the previous poster derided someone for allegedly not checking facts and then he did the same thing.

once is an accident twice is a trend. how injured do someone have to be before you and the Y.J collective realize that being aggressive is one thing , Jumping on a girl, using the butt end of your stick, and crosschecking is dirty. And even before you ask, not every team uses these tactics. The only team that does with regularity is yours. If it happens to your club all the time its in retaliation to your own play. As stated before a lot of us have played lacrosse in the D1 level, I myself have played at that level and I'm a man where full contact is allowed, and I have never seen a team with such bad luck as your club with all your "accidents" . I have to agree with the other posters that say It is directors responsibility solely. Don't try to cram down our throats that the Y.J. players are sitting in the hotel with players from other clubs getting along. Take off that silly bee gear and just walk up to any parent and player after a game and ask what they thought of your squad. You'll be surprised

Why don't you people understand. IF there not telling them to do these things, they are condoning it by not stopping it. Every one Knows P.M. and C.R. are smatter than to tell girls to do these things, that would make them legally liable. You , and every club on the east coast knows that the Y.J. are cheap and dirty. The fact that P.M and C.R. don't take the offending players out of the game and tell them to stop is what makes them equally as dirty, they condone it by allowing it to continue. Trying to stick check to the whistle is aggressive, stick checking after the whistle is dirty. thats the Y.J. way.

Amen! But people won't let it go because it is their nature to want to drag the team/people at the top down. They will not accept that it was an accident because they don't want to. Kids get hurt in every sport. Sometimes it just happens. This team has played over 200 games the last 3 years with 2 incidents and now it is a cronic problem??? Stop!!! They are 14 year old girls, just like your daughters with the same interests and intentions. You are all adults stop making these kids out to be some sort of street gang. They are great kids!

If you were not there then how would you know all these things about cheap shots and over aggression!!!! My daughter DOES NOT play for PM and I can tell you this in the five years she's been playing YJ we have NEVER had an incident other then an M & D player ACCIDENTALLY breaking MY daughters finger!! Parents like you who blame coaches and directors for mistakes kids make is ridiculous. The poor sportsmanship, unruly behavior, and lack of respect for others is taught at home not on the field. YJ has 25+ teams the actions of one player from one team does NOT define a club!!!! Just as the actions of one person does not define that family!! As far your comment about players from other clubs sitting together after games did you witness national draw YJ and M&D and several others sitting by DJ TOGETHER doing a dance off laughing....have you never seen a group of Liberty, Top Guns, and YJ girls walking around or sitting under a tree for some shade together!! I have!!! You need to really look at the big picture and know that accidents happen and if you weren't there then you should not speak of something you didn't see!! I wasn't there so I can't say one way or the other but I do know that if the tournanent directors or the refs felt that it was done with intent the player and or coach would have been removed from the tournanent. In my years as a YJ parent I have found that the only people complaining about CR are the ones who turn a blind eye to their child's talent or the lack there of. My daughter is not a blue player and yes after five years we are still here!! Because MY daughter LOVES the program, the coaches, and the friends she has made. The lesson your teaching your kid is instead of working hard and fixing what needs to be fixed you blame someone else! Look in the mirror and go back to the sidelines of whatever club your from and enjoy your daughter not the drama from this sight!!!

What is pathetic is how the girls are coached and trained. No the girl did not willingly go to hurt the girl. She is trained to go through the girl not get the ball, swing wildly. So she was acting as trained. Ruslut, another girl may not play lacrosse again.

And one of the coaches did not even shake the other clubs hand. Real class. How many girls get hurt before anything gets done? Two weeks ago there was a LI Top Gun girl who they broke her wrist, cheap shot from the back.

I guess you are all proud. One more down. Maybe clubs should get together and walk off the field, let them have no one to play. T

We're you at any of these games???? And I really think you need a reality check YJ do not spend there time at practice learning how to take girls out look at the homepage my friend that means that every D1 D2 D3 school that took YJ players encourage that behavior really!!!! Did you take notice at the NCAA finals how many players out there were FORMER YJ INCLUDING SS!!! Grow up and take a look around the actions of one player is not that of the entire club!! The 2015 have college coaches looking at them already...the 2014 class is all starting to commit and the 13's have had a great number commit to great schools!!! Maybe your seeing something no one else is...should I take off my glasses or should you take off yours!! Btw was your daughter ever a YJ????

And you know this because you attended their practices???? You are speculating like every other idiot on this site and it is at the expense of 14 year old girls! Stop commenting on things you have NO right to comment on! I am sure you would not want someone saying that about your daughter if she accidentily hurt someone or about your husband if he was a coach that gives many extra hours to his team.

So a YJ Player was not removed from a game for punching another girl in a tournament? That never happened?

The same team slashed a girl in Lax By the Sea who left they game with three bloody fingers. Yes she was carded but its a joke to the team. They have no regard for their opponents. It starts at the top with the win at all costs mentality of CR. Keep drinking the cool aid and PLEASE STOP THE EXCUSES!

YJ defenders stop responding to these jealous morons who have no idea what they are talking about. If what they say was true they would be filming it and posting online right after sending to US lacrosse, someone who has played for this team would have come forward, the team would be banned from entering tournaments.You can't argue with stupid anonymous impotent posters who acuse our coaches and players of being thugs .Just keep telling your kids to play hard and ignore those ignorant people who are too cowardly to come forward and make their lame accusations in person.

When I was a kid I was always told "There is no such thing as an accident". Please remember all accident can be avoided.

The YJ are known for their agressive style of play and I don't mean in the way that they are out to hurt opposing players. When you play them, you know they will push the action and play hard defense. This is not why they are so unliked. The reason opposing players and parents are so opposed to them is the attitude they bring to the game. The problem is that attitude only really applies to their A team and perhaps the top half of their B squads. All the other teams have players with similiar abilities to most other average varsity athletes however every parent acts as if their child possesses some unbelievable ability because they wear a bee on their back. The way you get on a YJ team other than the A squad is through your pocketbook. M & D showed at the National Draw that their reign may have ended. I know I root against them every chance I get. Humility and superior skill is what should earn respect not a Bee on your jersey.

YJ got the best of M and D last year and previous years and at least won Varsity Division and Cleaned up at Lax for cure (200 teams) this year. YJ is thriving and doing very well. Much better than any other Long Island Program! So route against them all you want but they keep working hard and have earned their respect throughout the country as a top club program.

Go YJ

I personally saw the accident on Saturday @ lax for the cure, the girl was deliberately not going for the ball & obviously going for the girl her self. I stood there and watched as a girl a few years older than me not be able to get off the ground. My team thought that she was truly paralyzed, not being able to move herself to get to the golf cart a few feet away from her. I truly feel sorry that a girl is so desperate to win that she would ruin another girls dreams and career.

Why wasn't the girl issued a red card if this was so blatantly clear to all ? Oh because it was not the impression of the nationally rated official on that game. No red card issues because they felt there was absolutely no malicious intent whatsoever. So it was not clearly a deliberate hit at all.

Calling all parents doesn't anyone have a video do we can put this issue to rest. Must have been some hit to break a femur. If it was truly An attack I would think that one of the two refs would have called something and/ or notified the tourney director.

Interestingly enough, there is also a thread on another site about this same exact issue under HS girl's lacrosse.

There are plenty of superior teams everywhere you go. Take notice of the towns who have superior high school teams and other private elite clubs. The reason so many people hate YJs is because they display no humility or sportsmanship. When you're that good, people notice you, not the bee on the back. That jersey makes the parents feel as if their kids have accomplished something however the truth is their child, if they are on the top team, is a good player whether or not they play for YJ. If you think only the best athletes play for YJ, you are mistaken. Their allure is fading perhaps slowly but surely. For the A team players its a good organization. Anything below that, you are just another athlete. I have heard that they have rounded out the playing time a bit. That's good because traveling to tournaments hours away and watching your daughter play ten minutes in a game seems a little ridiculous and I'm sure it doesn't do much for her confidence either.

It's root not route.

Rounded out playing time? Don't know where you heard that but I have witnessed "no subs at all" games this year and have heard of and/or read about several other no sub games as well. But who cares except players on bench, win at all costs.

Forget red cards.......there is a HUGE liability issue for the tournament directors, field owner, players parents and the players organization. If there was any intent to injure, there is the real possibilty of law suit/litigation. Girls/boys carrying a stick which can be used as a weapon is a problem waiting to happen. Without proper coaching/parenting this will be a problem in the future.

I saw a girl (no YJ involvement) take a hit to the head that required stitches this weekend. Refs called nothing and allowed the goal. Ref apologized to her mom, saying, "Sorry, Mom, I didn't see it so I couldn't make the call." The girl is dripping blood, obviously she got hit, ref wouldn't make the call.

The point being refs are not perfect (quite possibly the understatment of the year). If the ref didn't see the hit, or wasn't sure, perhaps he/she wasn't comfortable making the call (which sounds ridiculous but there you have it).

So from my POV, saying there was no intent because the ref didn't make the call is not an argument that holds water 100%. I wasn't there, I didn't see the play, all I'm saying is refs make mistakes so your argument has flaws.