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Tough to compare NYS titles, since some schools bounce from A to B or B to C. However, just looking at Class B, there have been 30 champions crowned. Section 8 has 11 (Garden City with 5 and South Side, Wantagh, Lynbrook, Bethpage, Manhasset and Elmont with 1 each), Section 1 has 6 (Yorktown), Section 3 has 5 (Jamesville-DeWitt with 4 and Cortland with 1), Section 11 has 5 (Huntington and Comsewogue with 2 each and Rocky Point with 1), Section 5 has 2 (Victor and Canandaigua) and Section 4 has 1 (Corning East).

Agreed, Yorktown doesn't get much support from other Section 1 schools (Mahopac has one A title and Bronxville has one C title), but Yorktown's 7 titles (they won an "A" title when there was only a single bracket) ranks 3rd to only West Genesee (15 A titles) and Ward Melville (8 A titles).

If Yorktown isn't considered dominant or great, then I guess only West Genesee has earned that label.


Yorktown is a consistently strong program always in the hunt for a state title. The coaches are dedicated, the players are dedicated and the town is supportive. Bronxville has modeled itself after Yorktown and even hired a bunch of Yorktown alumni to coach. Section 1 will strengthen and Yorktown's dominance will be challenged which is good for all involved.

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Bronxville lost the best player in the team history. They will take Sec 1 C but if they are playing the same schedule as last year, expect a tougher slate.
They seemed to wear down as the season went on playing a very good out of section opponents.
The team will need to figure the post-Grass era Offense, probably more middie focused O dodging from up top. Should repeat as Sec 1 C champs and hopefully be healthy for state run.
A - Fox, Mamo, Pac
B - Town, Rye, JJ
C - Bville, Pvillle, Bcliff

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Bronxville lost the best player in the team history. They will take Sec 1 C but if they are playing the same schedule as last year, expect a tougher slate.
They seemed to wear down as the season went on playing a very good out of section opponents.
The team will need to figure the post-Grass era Offense, probably more middie focused O dodging from up top. Should repeat as Sec 1 C champs and hopefully be healthy for state run.
A - Fox, Mamo, Pac
B - Town, Rye, JJ
C - Bville, Pvillle, Bcliff


Pleasantville was the section C champs, not Bronxville.

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Yorktown is for sure in, I think the mention of Bronxville, Fox Lane, John Jay, Rye etc is where the question of great teams came from.

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You are correct, my bad. Great game by Panthers, actually beat them twice, once at Bville during season. Pville has some good young players as well. No slam dunk in C this year for Broncos.

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am I crazy to think this is more Sect one talk now. if so who thinks the wizard can do in Wappingers what he did in the Valley. Lets get even crazier how about in B can Hen Hud, Somers and Eastchester make some noise. Seems there are some athletes over there not sure if lacrosse players. Same when someone earlier this month mention Lourdes having good football players who played lax could they muddy the water a bit too.

Section 1 is so diverse it is crazy not sure and dark house can come out of the mix. [lacrosse] how about Pearl River

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A good football team doesn't necessarily mean if those kids decided to play lacrosse they would be automatically good. Look at a powerhouse football program like New Rochelle. It's not easy to just give a kid in high school a stick, no matter how good of an athlete he is, and expect him to be able to adapt to the speed and decision making being made at the top of Sec 1. Maybe in the 80's and 90's this was more plausible, but the sport has grown tremendously.


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A good football team doesn't necessarily mean if those kids decided to play lacrosse they would be automatically good. Look at a powerhouse football program like New Rochelle. It's not easy to just give a kid in high school a stick, no matter how good of an athlete he is, and expect him to be able to adapt to the speed and decision making being made at the top of Sec 1. Maybe in the 80's and 90's this was more plausible, but the sport has grown tremendously.



I hear ya (So you want to rule out Lourdes Pearl River and Eastchester) but what about Wappinger's? I find it very intriguing!

Where do the catholics fall in Westchester Lax. Iona Stepinac. Ill go to your if you are a good football school it may not translate into lax for Stepinac. I almost forgot Kennedy, I guess they are hoping your football comment is correct.

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Lets not forget about Pleasantville and briarcliff, that could be a great border game. When will section 1 release their schedules

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Wappingers has a solid team but the 2017 season is where they will shine and then after that it gets ugly for a few years. WWYL has been run by some dads with no lax experience to speak of. Kuczma is a very good defensive coach so they will usually be in games but offensively his talent is subpar. Arlington has always been the jewel of Dutchess County and until Wappingers beats them!!!!

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2016 Sec 1:
Town - very good D and in the net, offense has to emerge from new faces
Bville - lost star power but has depth, needs dodgers to emerge
Fox Lane - on paper talent looks good, game is played on field, time will tell
Pville - returning champs had sophs and frosh playing last year, should compete
JJ - Defense looks good, need more offensive options
Mamo - O talent is there for another run in A, lost Fogo, needs better goalie play
Rye - lots of young talent, might be a year away from scaring Town
Bcliff - took a big step last year, could give a Pville or Bville a game
Pac - returns top 2 offensive players, needs to reload on D
North Rockland & White Plains - offense returns, but have to shore up D to beat good teams
Pelham - some very good players, is there depth to beat top programs?

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Mamaroneck lost Malas an All-American who is now at Bucknell. Very hard to replace the best finisher on the team.

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Wappingers has a solid team but the 2017 season is where they will shine and then after that it gets ugly for a few years. WWYL has been run by some dads with no lax experience to speak of. Kuczma is a very good defensive coach so they will usually be in games but offensively his talent is subpar. Arlington has always been the jewel of Dutchess County and until Wappingers beats them!!!!
Kuczma has been coaching the boys in WWYL for the last few years and he keeps involved in the organization.

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Wappingers has a solid team but the 2017 season is where they will shine and then after that it gets ugly for a few years. WWYL has been run by some dads with no lax experience to speak of. Kuczma is a very good defensive coach so they will usually be in games but offensively his talent is subpar. Arlington has always been the jewel of Dutchess County and until Wappingers beats them!!!!
Kuczma has been coaching the boys in WWYL for the last few years and he keeps involved in the organization.
and here I thought TP was the talk of lax in Dutchess

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Mamo brings back 2 leading scorers from playoffs, both playing at next level. D is solid but must replace FOGO and tighten up in the cage.

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Harrison was one goal away from the Class B Sect 1 finals last year. They lost their goalie and a defender but have a ton coming back. They have beaten arch-rival Rye last two years (who would have thought Harrison beating Rye in lacrosse and continuing to get crushed in football). Don't have the broad talent of Town or JJ or Fox Lane but should be in the mix for Class B.

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you cant compare TP to section 1 public schools. They are on another level. Similar to Brunswick cmpared to Darien, NC, Grennwich.

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Their goalie was a key reason for last season's success. Very solid keeper play.

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you cant compare TP to section 1 public schools. They are on another level. Similar to Brunswick cmpared to Darien, NC, Grennwich.


I am just curious is the Wappingers team a blend of the 2 high schools RCK and JJ?

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Yes RCK & JJEF just like Lakeland/Panas, same school district. Good news the best player from last season just came back to Wappingers from TP. Maybe they have a chance of being real good.

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Yes RCK & JJEF just like Lakeland/Panas, same school district. Good news the best player from last season just came back to Wappingers from TP. Maybe they have a chance of being real good.


Such a crock joining the school. For shame especially Lakeland Panas. Kids loose

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Congrats to the 9th grader from North Rockland who just committed to Maryland.

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Oh Boy another hater, get a life and be happy fo r b people.

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Congrats to the 9th grader from North Rockland who just committed to Maryland!


And thanks to those parents for allowing a freshman (what is that, 15 years old) to make a huge decision long before he is really capable of doing so. Or should I say that it was great of those parents to do the right thing for their son and make that decision for him. This is not Yale so little incentive left to actually learn something in school since the only thing that will stop him from getting to Maryland is 1) failing out; and 2) jail. Yup, he can go to college and maybe graduate and have an education in only one thing, lacrosse.. You have to dream.

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Congrats to the 9th grader from North Rockland who just committed to Maryland.


And thanks to those parents for allowing a freshman (what is that, 15 years old) to make a huge decision long before he is really capable of doing so. Or should I say that it was great of those parents to do the right thing for their son and make that decision for him. This is not Yale so little incentive left to actually learn something in school since the only thing that will stop him from getting to Maryland is 1) failing out; and 2) jail. Yup, he can go to college and maybe graduate and have an education in only one thing, lacrosse. You have to dream.


Listen I am no lover of PT, I didn't see any d1 players on their 2019 team this fall. That said why bash a family and student whose choice is theirs not yours. I can't believe all of these people who say that a 14 year is not ready.

Think back when you were 14 did you know of any friends classmates driven to Go to a particular school. I know I did. I also know 2019's (true ones that are 14 yo) who have HS experience, have the academic drive, focus and yes a cache of schools they are targeting.

Once again, DAMN, it is their decision not yours. Stop trying to control other people's decisions. They must all make the best of where they go.

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Your an [lacrosse]. The lacrosse network is gigantic. Good student athletes who are smart enough to network can achieve way more in life than the average bookworm who goes to to an Ivy League school for academics alone

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Congrats to the 9th grader from North Rockland who just committed to Maryland..


And thanks to those parents for allowing a freshman (what is that, 15 years old) to make a huge decision long before he is really capable of doing so. Or should I say that it was great of those parents to do the right thing for their son and make that decision for him. This is not Yale so little incentive left to actually learn something in school since the only thing that will stop him from getting to Maryland is 1) failing out; and 2) jail. Yup, he can go to college and maybe graduate and have an education in only one thing, lacrosse. You have to dream.


Listen I am no lover of PT, I didn't see any d1 players on their 2019 team this fall. That said why bash a family and student whose choice is theirs not yours. I can't believe all of these people who say that a 14 year is not ready.

Think back when you were 14 did you know of any friends classmates driven to Go to a particular school. I know I did. I also know 2019's (true ones that are 14 yo) who have HS experience, have the academic drive, focus and yes a cache of schools they are targeting.

Once again, DAMN, it is their decision not yours. Stop trying to control other people's decisions. They must all make the best of where they go.


Not trying to control anyone. Free will baby. But that's the parents will, not the kids.

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Congrats to the 9th grader from North Rockland who just committed to Maryland. I want to know who is better than Deleted No One!!!


I'm sure that family is very pleased for good reason. Congratulations to them.

The negative reactions come as a result of the shill for Deleted Buy an ad next time. enthusiasm is one thing, shilling is another. The above post is a shill, plain and simple and this type of post is likely to get a negative reaction no matter who the subject team/director might be.

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Superstar, Express North, Chargers all of have kids going to some of the best programs in the country- Hopkins Syracuse, Maryland etc.

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Superstar, Express North, Chargers all of have kids going to some of the best programs in the country- Hopkins Syracuse, Maryland etc.


None of these programs compare to a program like Sweetlax. Even combined they don't match Sweetlax, maybe that's an indictment of Westchester lacrosse more than the club programs abilities to place kids.

Is anyone developing players anymore or is it all about getting them seen?

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3d is very strong in development of players, IMO.

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Superstar, Express North, Chargers all of have kids going to some of the best programs in the country- Hopkins Syracuse, Maryland etc.


None of these programs compare to a program like Sweetlax. Even combined they don't match Sweetlax, maybe that's an indictment of Westchester lacrosse more than the club programs abilities to place kids.

Is anyone developing players anymore or is it all about getting them seen?


Short answer...NO. Club programs teach split dodge, shoot for middies and attack is same. Get hands free and shoot--they don't teach how to play the game. They teach how to be seen in a prospect day environment, IMO, not one in the same.

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question for all the youth town lacrosse people in Westchester- how much does it cost to play in your town and how many games are you playing - is your town holding winter leagues, clinics etc

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Superstar, Express North, Chargers all of have kids going to some of the best programs in the country- Hopkins Syracuse, Maryland etc.


None of these programs compare to a program like Sweetlax. Even combined they don't match Sweetlax, maybe that's an indictment of Westchester lacrosse more than the club programs abilities to place kids.

Is anyone developing players anymore or is it all about getting them seen?


Short answer...NO. Club programs teach split dodge, shoot for middies and attack is same. Get hands free and shoot--they don't teach how to play the game. They teach how to be seen in a prospect day environment, IMO, not one in the same.


Sweet Lax has some good teams and some great players, don’t get me wrong, but consider that they draw from a much wider and more populated area than Westchester. Also, there are far fewer teams with whom they compete for kids. Who exactly does Sweet Lax have to compete with in Upstate NY? There are at least four or five good teams in Westchester that compete for the same top players. Sweet Lax also has kids from Long Island and Connecticut. Sweet Lax is a very different animal than the Westchester clubs and really can’t be compared to them.

Based upon an IL Recruiting Invitational Spotlight article Sweet Lax has committed kids from the following towns: Niskayuna, Victor, Pittsford, Corning, Fairport, Penn Yan, Canandaigua, Wayne, Webster and Binghamton. These towns come from counties with a total population of 2.29 million (2012). Westchester has a population of only 991,670 (2012) so of course Sweet Lax has more commits. It’s just a numbers game. But that’s not all. Don’t forget that several of their committed players come from outside Upstate New [lacrosse]. They have kids from Smithtown (NY), Manhasset (NY), Salisbury School (CT), Syosset (NY) and Walt Whitman (NY). When you draw from such a large area, it’s nothing to brag about.

My son has played for a Westchester based team for the last several years and it’s been all about skill development and team play, not just how to show off at showcases. With essentially the same players his team went from a good B team three years ago to a solid A team last year. We couldn’t be happier with the team and coaching. They are always teaching the boys how to play a better team game. So yes, there are programs out there that teach kids how to play the right way. The lack of commitments is not always a good indicator of that.

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Superstar, Express North, Chargers all of have kids going to some of the best programs in the country- Hopkins Syracuse, Maryland etc.


None of these programs compare to a program like Sweetlax. Even combined they don't match Sweetlax, maybe that's an indictment of Westchester lacrosse more than the club programs abilities to place kids.

Is anyone developing players anymore or is it all about getting them seen?


Short answer...NO. Club programs teach split dodge, shoot for middies and attack is same. Get hands free and shoot--they don't teach how to play the game. They teach how to be seen in a prospect day environment, IMO, not one in the same.


Sweet Lax has some good teams and some great players, don’t get me wrong, but consider that they draw from a much wider and more populated area than Westchester. Also, there are far fewer teams with whom they compete for kids. Who exactly does Sweet Lax have to compete with in Upstate NY? There are at least four or five good teams in Westchester that compete for the same top players. Sweet Lax also has kids from Long Island and Connecticut. Sweet Lax is a very different animal than the Westchester clubs and really can’t be compared to them.

Based upon an IL Recruiting Invitational Spotlight article Sweet Lax has committed kids from the following towns: Niskayuna, Victor, Pittsford, Corning, Fairport, Penn Yan, Canandaigua, Wayne, Webster and Binghamton. These towns come from counties with a total population of 2.29 million (2012). Westchester has a population of only 991,670 (2012) so of course Sweet Lax has more commits. It’s just a numbers game. But that’s not all. Don’t forget that several of their committed players come from outside Upstate New [lacrosse]. They have kids from Smithtown (NY), Manhasset (NY), Salisbury School (CT), Syosset (NY) and Walt Whitman (NY). When you draw from such a large area, it’s nothing to brag about.

My son has played for a Westchester based team for the last several years and it’s been all about skill development and team play, not just how to show off at showcases. With essentially the same players his team went from a good B team three years ago to a solid A team last year. We couldn’t be happier with the team and coaching. They are always teaching the boys how to play a better team game. So yes, there are programs out there that teach kids how to play the right way. The lack of commitments is not always a good indicator of that.


Express North 2019 beat the loaded Sweetlax team this Fall. FWIW.

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Superstar, Express North, Chargers all of have kids going to some of the best programs in the country- Hopkins Syracuse, Maryland etc.


None of these programs compare to a program like Sweetlax. Even combined they don't match Sweetlax, maybe that's an indictment of Westchester lacrosse more than the club programs abilities to place kids.

Is anyone developing players anymore or is it all about getting them seen?


Short answer...NO. Club programs teach split dodge, shoot for middies and attack is same. Get hands free and shoot--they don't teach how to play the game. They teach how to be seen in a prospect day environment, IMO, not one in the same.


Sweet Lax has some good teams and some great players, don’t get me wrong, but consider that they draw from a much wider and more populated area than Westchester. Also, there are far fewer teams with whom they compete for kids. Who exactly does Sweet Lax have to compete with in Upstate NY? There are at least four or five good teams in Westchester that compete for the same top players. Sweet Lax also has kids from Long Island and Connecticut. Sweet Lax is a very different animal than the Westchester clubs and really can’t be compared to them.

Based upon an IL Recruiting Invitational Spotlight article Sweet Lax has committed kids from the following towns: Niskayuna, Victor, Pittsford, Corning, Fairport, Penn Yan, Canandaigua, Wayne, Webster and Binghamton. These towns come from counties with a total population of 2.29 million (2012). Westchester has a population of only 991,670 (2012) so of course Sweet Lax has more commits. It’s just a numbers game. But that’s not all. Don’t forget that several of their committed players come from outside Upstate New [lacrosse]. They have kids from Smithtown (NY), Manhasset (NY), Salisbury School (CT), Syosset (NY) and Walt Whitman (NY). When you draw from such a large area, it’s nothing to brag about.

My son has played for a Westchester based team for the last several years and it’s been all about skill development and team play, not just how to show off at showcases. With essentially the same players his team went from a good B team three years ago to a solid A team last year. We couldn’t be happier with the team and coaching. They are always teaching the boys how to play a better team game. So yes, there are programs out there that teach kids how to play the right way. The lack of commitments is not always a good indicator of that.


Express North 2019 beat the loaded Sweetlax team this Fall. FWIW.


Check the only scorecard that counts. Primetime 2019 has more committed players than Express North 2019!! How could that be if Express North is beating the top teams in the country? Inept program management? Lack of connections in the lacrosse community? Sweetlax has almost the entire starting roster committed and Express North has, I believe, only one kid committed? Pathetic. If Express North is so good, why hasn't the lacrosse coaches been knocking on their door?

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Superstar, Express North, Chargers all of have kids going to some of the best programs in the country- Hopkins Syracuse, Maryland etc.


None of these programs compare to a program like Sweetlax. Even combined they don't match Sweetlax, maybe that's an indictment of Westchester lacrosse more than the club programs abilities to place kids.

Is anyone developing players anymore or is it all about getting them seen?


Short answer...NO. Club programs teach split dodge, shoot for middies and attack is same. Get hands free and shoot--they don't teach how to play the game. They teach how to be seen in a prospect day environment, IMO, not one in the same.


Sweet Lax has some good teams and some great players, don’t get me wrong, but consider that they draw from a much wider and more populated area than Westchester. Also, there are far fewer teams with whom they compete for kids. Who exactly does Sweet Lax have to compete with in Upstate NY? There are at least four or five good teams in Westchester that compete for the same top players. Sweet Lax also has kids from Long Island and Connecticut. Sweet Lax is a very different animal than the Westchester clubs and really can’t be compared to them.

Based upon an IL Recruiting Invitational Spotlight article Sweet Lax has committed kids from the following towns: Niskayuna, Victor, Pittsford, Corning, Fairport, Penn Yan, Canandaigua, Wayne, Webster and Binghamton. These towns come from counties with a total population of 2.29 million (2012). Westchester has a population of only 991,670 (2012) so of course Sweet Lax has more commits. It’s just a numbers game. But that’s not all. Don’t forget that several of their committed players come from outside Upstate New [lacrosse]. They have kids from Smithtown (NY), Manhasset (NY), Salisbury School (CT), Syosset (NY) and Walt Whitman (NY). When you draw from such a large area, it’s nothing to brag about.

My son has played for a Westchester based team for the last several years and it’s been all about skill development and team play, not just how to show off at showcases. With essentially the same players his team went from a good B team three years ago to a solid A team last year. We couldn’t be happier with the team and coaching. They are always teaching the boys how to play a better team game. So yes, there are programs out there that teach kids how to play the right way. The lack of commitments is not always a good indicator of that.


Express North 2019 beat the loaded Sweetlax team this Fall. FWIW.


Check the only scorecard that counts. Primetime 2019 has more committed players than Express North 2019!! How could that be if Express North is beating the top teams in the country? Inept program management? Lack of connections in the lacrosse community? Sweetlax has almost the entire starting roster committed and Express North has, I believe, only one kid committed? Pathetic. If Express North is so good, why hasn't the lacrosse coaches been knocking on their door?


It is great many have verbaled. But it is not the end game. Let's wait and see who actually plays at the next level and where. I get it, you say your connections may be superior, and it seems they are, but will that just be a let down for the kids when they go through hs and finally in college. Or will prime time gain traction if north proves to be one and done

Curious who did prime time beat and lose to this fall. Were the commits present at all events?
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Superstar, Express North, Chargers all of have kids going to some of the best programs in the country- Hopkins Syracuse, Maryland etc.


None of these programs compare to a program like Sweetlax. Even combined they don't match Sweetlax, maybe that's an indictment of Westchester lacrosse more than the club programs abilities to place kids.

Is anyone developing players anymore or is it all about getting them seen?


Short answer...NO. Club programs teach split dodge, shoot for middies and attack is same. Get hands free and shoot--they don't teach how to play the game. They teach how to be seen in a prospect day environment, IMO, not one in the same.


Sweet Lax has some good teams and some great players, don’t get me wrong, but consider that they draw from a much wider and more populated area than Westchester. Also, there are far fewer teams with whom they compete for kids. Who exactly does Sweet Lax have to compete with in Upstate NY? There are at least four or five good teams in Westchester that compete for the same top players. Sweet Lax also has kids from Long Island and Connecticut. Sweet Lax is a very different animal than the Westchester clubs and really can’t be compared to them.

Based upon an IL Recruiting Invitational Spotlight article Sweet Lax has committed kids from the following towns: Niskayuna, Victor, Pittsford, Corning, Fairport, Penn Yan, Canandaigua, Wayne, Webster and Binghamton. These towns come from counties with a total population of 2.29 million (2012). Westchester has a population of only 991,670 (2012) so of course Sweet Lax has more commits. It’s just a numbers game. But that’s not all. Don’t forget that several of their committed players come from outside Upstate New [lacrosse]. They have kids from Smithtown (NY), Manhasset (NY), Salisbury School (CT), Syosset (NY) and Walt Whitman (NY). When you draw from such a large area, it’s nothing to brag about.

My son has played for a Westchester based team for the last several years and it’s been all about skill development and team play, not just how to show off at showcases. With essentially the same players his team went from a good B team three years ago to a solid A team last year. We couldn’t be happier with the team and coaching. They are always teaching the boys how to play a better team game. So yes, there are programs out there that teach kids how to play the right way. The lack of commitments is not always a good indicator of that.


Express North 2019 beat the loaded Sweetlax team this Fall. FWIW.


Check the only scorecard that counts. Primetime 2019 has more committed players than Express North 2019!! How could that be if Express North is beating the top teams in the country? Inept program management? Lack of connections in the lacrosse community? Sweetlax has almost the entire starting roster committed and Express North has, I believe, only one kid committed? Pathetic. If Express North is so good, why hasn't the lacrosse coaches been knocking on their door?


The game is only over if you were hellbent on having your kid goto Maryland or Hop. (BTW, Maryland has 6 middies already in THIS class - do you not understand how hard it is going to be to get time, ever?)

Call me in 2 years - when most of the dust settles - and the IVY kids are almost done, etc.

Then, and only then, can you call scoreboard. To say North < PT after one semester of freshman year is a bit much.



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it looks like PT 2019 and express north 2019 each have one recruit - am I missing something

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it looks like PT 2019 and express north 2019 each have one recruit - am I missing something


I think PT 2019 has 2 which if my math is right is 1 more than Express North 2019, inept management for Express or a difference of 1.

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