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Wow, sounds like a bunch of jealous parents to me. I say congratulations to the kid and his family.

The rest of you need to get a grip and focus on your own kid and his/her deal...

Another vote for BS ... 1800 at "top school" for academic merit HAHAHAHA ... So we have established that the scholarship amount is bogus and the "top school" is bogus and this poster is a fraud. No real problem with it, where's the harm EXCEPT ... Well-meaning parents who read this garbage end up with unrealistic expectations for their kids and the way scholarships/recruiting actually happens. So unless Mr/Mrs bragger wants to put a name to the school and more details to substantiate what sounds like a fairly tale, he/she should refrain from spewing such nonsense for the sake of the other kids and families ...

I don't think anyone really cares what other kids get as an offer from a school but to come on this site and brag about your son is getting 50%, and how disappointed you are it wasn't 75% than you open yourself up to ridicule. Any parent or player knows that with only 12.6 full scholarships per year, and a squad of 35 to40 kids, I would be surprised if any kid playing lacrosse in college gets anymore than 50% athletic. So don't come on this site and give young kids or parents an unrealistic outlook to what is the norm. If your kid DID actually get an offer that good in the 8th grade have some class don't brag about it, if your friends ask and you want to divulge that info than go ahead, but don't put it out on your own and then be offended with the comments that follow

I have been reading this and there are 2 schools of thought.

If it truly is an 8th grader who got a look or a verbal he/she must be one of the top players in the country not just East Coast. You are not getting verbal to the "just Good" players in 8th grade.

If you got a verbal @ 50% and are in 8th grade, you are seriously bitching on here. Some may think I am crazy for saying this but yes college coaches know about this site. Why would you write that? You are in a small pool and can be figured out. Many of the better players who get those higher % get them with a combo and you said you still have that opportunity. unless you've gone through this with your older child and have established yourself (and your mannerisms) as a college parent in the stands; don't bite your nose to spite your face.

Please, you really have no clue how this works. I know several that got 50%-yes they are studs.

Also know several that are getting nothing but a spot.

Again, best of luck to that kid and his family. If they were lying, they would have said full ride as has been said on this site many times. The person sounded pretty truthful to me and if it was fluff, I really don't care. It is an anonymous site and I suspect the people that are screaming, like the one above, didn't get a good deal and therefore can't fathom how anyone else did...

Oh no! Not a wasted post! Call the lacrosse police. A serious crime has been committed. Oh and by the way, most of the nonsense posted here is a total waste.

what about when HS coaches use their school fields for their travel for profit programs? This isn't college where part of the coaches compensation is through the use of school facilities to run camps and clinics. This is HS coaches using tax payer funded fields for a private business

what about when HS coaches use their school fields for their travel for profit programs? This isn't college where part of the coaches compensation is through the use of school facilities to run camps and clinics. This is HS coaches using tax payer funded fields for a private business

I posted something positive about coach Lough and the outlaws and wished them luck because I like their program. I didn't think I said anything wrong.

By the way Hop, it's you're not your.

Oh ok sorry Hop. Tough to see who's talking to who on here sometimes. Lol

[quote=Anonymous]Oh ok sorry Hop. Tough to see who's talking to who on here sometimes. Lol

. Then begin your response.

No problem. When I refer to a specific post it will be in a box above like yours is.
You can do the same by clicking "quote" and scrolling to the bottom past the like this? lol.

Couldn't agree more. The problem is that many parents refuse to honestly evaluate their children. Many become bitter and jealous and spew venom and hate at other children. They do it on this site, they do it on the sideline and they do it around town. When another child is having more success than their child they look to tear that child down anyway they can. Its ugly.

If the kid scores a lot of goals the jealous parents will call the player a "Ball Hog".

If the kid makes an "All Star / Elite / Top Club" team the bitter parents will say its only because his/her Dad knows the coaches.

If the kid commits to a Top 5 or 10 college the jealous parent will say the player will never get on the field.

If the kid commits to Harvard the bitter jealous parent will say my son/daughter doesn't want to go to an Ivy League School.

If the kid commits to a Big D-I School the jealous parents will say we are focusing on academics and looking at D-III schools.

If a kid is being actively recruited by a number of top programs the bitter jealous parents will say we are looking at ABC and XYZ and we visited XXX even though their kid is not being recruited by those schools.

It's never ending, on our sideline this past spring we had parents counting out loud the number of turnovers a player had. We have parents chirping loudly "Pass The Ball" however I never heard those words when the Jealous bitter parents child had the ball. If it were not so sad it would be funny.

Couple all of the hate and venom spewed with all of the [lacrosse] Kissing many of these parents do and you have a cesspool of a sideline. Does not matter if it is school or club, the [lacrosse] kissers are there. They will kiss the [lacrosse] of the coach, Club Director, AD, Assistant Coach, Spouse of the coach, Sibling of the coach, friend of the coach, anyone who they think can help. Have you ever noticed how certain parents always have a reason to talk to or email the coach? Even the ones who are bitter on the sideline, they make sure they put on the happy face just before their nose hits the coaches [lacrosse]. Love it when I see a kid who does not get the hype from the club or school get recruited (by top college programs) over the favored ones. All the [lacrosse] kissing from parents and the misguided efforts of a bad coach will not stop the college coaches from identifying the top athletes.

It's a mess. Hope your club and or down is different.

Wow thank you so much for posting that. As a lacrosse and football coach I've recently within the last three years stepped back into the coaching ranks after a long hiatus and I am shocked to see how much it's changed. the parents these days are the absolute worst. I'm not going to repeat everything you said but the jealousy is huge in lacrosse amongst parents. it's horrible. and your ball hog remark is on point one hundred percent. where I came from the parents stuck together. they rooted for the team good bad or indifferent. they encouraged the players and allowed the coach to coach their boys without interfering. they rooted for the boy who scored a lot because he helped the team succeed. they'd turn to his parents in the stands and say "man, your son is some player." now you don't get that anymore. it's not about the team it's about my son or my daughter and the coach is terrible. and these club lacrosse teams are creating this poison because the amount of money involved. Sir, again I want to thank you for posting that. I don't even want to read the rebuttal I guarantee some parent is going to post.

This is one of the best posts I have ever read on this site. All so true. Makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it. Guess what it continues once your kid goes to the next level....:)

This is one of the best posts I have ever read on this site. All so true. Makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it. Guess what it continues once your kid goes to the next level....:)

This is one of the best posts I have ever read on this site. All so true. Makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it. Guess what it continues once your kid goes to the next level....:)

I have read here several times that HS coaches are prohibited from coaching a team with more than 4-5 players from their HS during the offseason (or something similar). Also reference was made just recently to the prohibition against HS coaches using HS/public fields for their club teams. I am in a situation where the coach has informed the HS players that they won't play on varsity unless they play in the HS Coach's club team or at least attend certain tournaments with the HS Coach's club team. Can anyone point to the specific regulations/laws or point me in the right direction? I have looked but have not been able to find anything. Thanks

Thanks for the info (not quoting because it's so big). Did you delete item b. or was that a typo on their part?

Many years ago a coach could not be with his kids during the off-season. A dad used to coach my summer and winter lax teams. That however, is not the case anymore. Also, with the use of fields, a coach simply has to fill out a form to use the fields of the high school or other district fields Anyone can fill out the form and then the AD approves it. Here are the section XI rules on off-season practices. Basically, you can't put it in writing that off-season is mandatory. You can just "highly suggest".

VII. Out of Season Practice Policy
On May 24, 2000, the Section XI Athletic Council eliminated the Section XI Out of Season Practice Policy (sometimes referred to as the 49% rule) entirely!

Understand, however, that this action does not necessarily make practicing out of season OK. Schools are still bound by the NYSPHSAA regulations. They are:

NYSPHSAA REGULATION - PRACTICE SESSIONS:
a. An organized practice in grades 7-12 is a session for the purpose of providing instruction and practice in physical conditioning activities, skills, team play, and game strategy designed expressly for that sport under the supervision of a qualified coach appointed by the Board of Education of the local school district. Such instruction and practice shall be held only during the season designated for that sport.
c. School sponsored activities conducted out of the sport season such as general conditioning, weight training, weight lifting, intramurals, recreation, open gyms, club activities and camps are permitted: 1. If such programs are not mandated by coaches or school personnel; 2. If such programs are available to all students.
d. Non-school sponsored activities are permitted if such programs are not mandated by coaches or school personnel. It is recommended that no school equipment be used for these programs as per State Comptroller Opinion 85-37.

Rev 5/11