Use this thread to discuss lacrosse about Boys from the Class of 2023 in the Mid-Atlantic region.

Any surprises with tryouts/player movements for the Maryland teams?

Yeah the Crabs and Hawks are now loaded with 17 year old 2023's that reclassed and the rest of the teams are left in the dust

Can we finally end the re-class excuse for the 2023 class. There are not any freshman repeating freshman year. Crabs did not even hold a tryout. DC dogs, Hawks, Crabs are at the top of this class. Looney's took a step back and DCE and FCA about the same. No more ELITE label just the teams are what they are.

No because the holdbacks still take spots on grade based teams they do not deserve.

And in Maryland .The team with the most Holdbacks rule.

You whiners need to get a life

The whole re-class argument has gotten so old and completely overblown it's laughable.

In a few years these same clowns will be claiming there are 20 year olds on a 9th grade team.

ANYTHING to justify the reason their kids can't make Crab's or one the other top clubs when the simple reality is that some boys don't and will never have the athleticism, size, strength, skill or work ethic to play at the highest level of the sport.

And you holdback apologists need to justify your advantage others same age dont get

Holdbacks need to hit the wall to improve actual lacrosse skills now that the other kids have hit puberty.

How is Crabs filling the spots of the kids who were 23s that are now reclassing to become 24s?

All top Clubs in Maryland and frankly now many other areas top clubs are full of holdbacks. That is a Fact ! It is not overblown at all.

While you are right in that many kids will never make it no matter what. Lacrosse has a huge amount of 5-8 to 5-11 athletic guys that compete against each other all the way up to 12th grade. Holding back makes a difference for these guys.

We arent football, BB , getting the best athletics, we are lacrosse getting the next level down with the occasionally true blue athletic stud ( who doesnt care who is held back, he is better) .

Impressive bunch at Rock tryouts.....A lot of talent out there.... 40 or so kids trying out

Curious how many of those kids that tried out will leave their current teams. Hopefully Rock can field a competitive team at this age group.

It was combined with 2014 tho right? Breakers had a tryout too.

Breakers and Rock,, They used to be 2nd and 3rd after the Crabs. How times have changed

What are the top fall tourneys for 2023 this year?

What clubs are these kids leaving for Rock?

Breakers, Looneys, 91, Crabs

Nice to hear that Rock might resurrect the 2023 team. Guess there was a big push to get St. Paul's kids out there.

No one is leaving Looneys Orange to play for a possible Rock 2023 team. The one kid who might have -- because of St. Pauls connection -- is staying with Looneys.

Rock has already surpassed Looneys at 2023

Perhaps the oddest statement I've read on this forum...and that's saying something.

Because you are not involved.

Probably best that he stayed put...He would not make the Rock team

2023 MD club lacrosse rankings:

1. Rock
2. Rock B team
3. Hawks
4. Crabs
5. DC Dogs
6. FCA
7. Breakers
8. DC Express
9. Looney's Green
10. Looney's Orange
....
43. Team 91

Must have been one crazy tryout season.

Put FCA and both Looneys teams with 91 and add Zingos

Not with all the PA talent they are assuring everyone is going to be on the team.

Separate team

I heard Looneys just folded and they are merging with the Rock... true story

Rock declined the offer. Already full with more talent.

Rock PA has no talented players

Yes they are. The powers that be still promised that kids from PA would fill out the MD team for HoCo and tournaments...the failure of that experiment is one of the reasons that 2023 Rock folded last year.

Guess that means Breakers final tryout will be flooded with the kids bailing out

You don’t play HoCo anymore in High School...ya dumsky... you have no idea what you are talking about.. most High School teams are national teams

So how many Maryland 2023 teams is Rock fielding? Crabs mysterious. Looneys plummeted. FCA Blue improved, White went backwards. Who else?

Probably 2 teams at Rock..They picked up some good players locally as well from PA..A bunch of good Goalies and attack. Team 91 tryouts a joke...Total money grab....Koopers looking to make a resurgence at 2023 as well....Crabs had player tryout all summer...Their team is set without any tryouts.....High school a different ballgame...Most of the local teams really never play each other anymore in 9th grade....They all do their own tournament schedule with little play between each other..

Looneys and FCA not a factor for anyone not attending CHC or Loyola.... They are kind of limiting themselves to only their High School players....Good for the short term but horrible for the long term...Hence this why you are seeing an uptick with other clubs..A lot of good players out there going to others schools besides CHC and Loyola

Rock sounds like the biggest surprise if accurate. What clubs did those kids leave? Koopers was hyped after tryouts last year and lost every game in HoCo A.

Would love to know how you got your information? Amazing how the Lax Rumor works these days.......lol

If HOCO results are considered, Breakers, Rock, Team91 and Koopers really did not do well. If we are supposed to believe that a team does well then it would be by adding a few pieces not a major change.

Rumors and opinion feed this board. Kids talk with each other about tryouts and teams. Nothing amazing about it.

what about Gilman McD MSJ Towson JC Dulany Hereford Carroll County, PA or Harford County kids that play for those clubs. There are Loyola kids on FCA and CHC on Looneys

Please...There is CH and there is the rest.

FCA into CH; BUYER BEWARE!! Most of these kids will never see the playing field at CH. Example.....JV and FR/So soccer had 108 kids show up for tryouts; 43 kids made those 2 teams. That means 65 kids who I am sure had expectations of playing in HS will not. I wonder if anyone of those parents/kids are having second thoughts? Lacrosse is the same the only difference is there will be more kids seeing the field if you count the sidelines as part of the field. MIAA Schools are where HS athletics dreams end for 95% of kids.

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Troll Grade: A

Not much overall depth at 2023 level. Sure, you have a couple super teams and there are fantastic 2023 players. But as a class, 2023 seems a lot weaker than 2022 and 2024.

was roughriders able to form a 2023 team?

2023 depth crushes 2022 and 2024.

No, and not for years, but I suspect you already knew that

Even Booker Corrigan couldn't save them

What did he try to do?

Just curious. Do the kids on the jv team at private schools have fall tournaments or just varsity?

i knew that did not last few years but they do have coaches listed on website. Thx

I know Calvert Hall has hosted something the past few years for MIAA teams - freshman/sophs only

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CH three straight Championships and less than 4 loses in 3 years to other MIAA teams. No other team close, This year expect the same. CH at the Top !

CH...does that stand for the school or the 20yr old?

Calvert Hall operates with the same rules as St. Frances does for Football.... No rules.... Tons of cash from families with ego's and deep pockets........Makes for a lot of asterisks on championship wins.... Calvert Hall like St.Frances no longer cares about their school and community........They care about championships...How about all of those local kids that will never see the football or lacrosse fields because older kids and kids from out of the State take those positions.... Revel in your championships... Congrats..... Everyone knows its BS

But yet, Calvert Hall led the way in boycotting playing St Frances because their 20 yr olds could get hurt.....

Funny how Calvert Hall screamed unfairness when they hit the papers last year about Football and how they refused to play St. Frances in the regular season. Funny how CHC lacrosse operates with the same way St. Frances runs their football program.....

I didn’t know the Family ran two schools and a club.

CH and StF do have many things in common. They both have coaches that care deeply about their players. They both have coaches that are grounded in God and moral purpose. They both have coaches that serve their community. They both have coaches that put their teams before themselves. They both have coaches that help young athletes have opportunities that many can only dream of. They both have coaches that are a blessing to Baltimore.

They both have tons of money and put players from out of State before kids from their own communities... They both will do anything to win...No matter what it takes...Bring on older players from out of town who can’t make the grades...As long as lax and football are first....Well we don’t care because we just want championships.... spare me...

And CH super-booster Kellys are on the front page of the Sun for embezzling money from the neediest hospital in the city. Sad.

Any truth to the rumor that Rock was offering 1/2 price club fees to 2023 kids to prevent them from going to rivals?

What do you think?

Booker was assigned to be the 2023 Coach for RR. His name couldn't even get the team going.

1/2 price for Rock: I know one kid on 2023 that is definitely on "scholarship" with Rock. He and a few others left another club together to go to Rock, but I don't know if the others or the whole team got that pricepoint. I would not be surprised though.

At least in past years, Rock has been pretty pricey. Even at 1/2 price it still might be more expensive than a lot of other clubs around.

Watch out club directors. True Atlantic holding tryouts. No players are safe from poaching. CS involved.

My understanding is that True Atlantic (like the other True National teams) is designed as an 'add on' to a player's current club.

Anyone know how much this add-on team costs?

Some kids from Looney's, Hawks and FCA playing here as a 2nd team, for others this is their only team.

Don’t worry about it. The families that need to know, know.

OK. Thanks for nothing. There's a tryout advertised this weekend. Cost is an issue for some. But if your attitude is indicative of the team then hard pass

If this is their only team, they will not be playing too often. The Atlantic team played in 2 tournaments this year, both being small format national team tournaments, and the Hawks coach will never let the team become a full fledged club team, too many Hawks on the roster. That being said, it is a very good team, but its not that hard to be good when you are aggregating that level of talent. The trend seems to be that tournaments are going to be either biased towards club teams or national teams. For the 2023 level, just look at Naptown vs. Crabfeast, much more of a national team presence at Naptown. Frankly, if I were a club director, unless I have an extremely talented team at a certain age level (2023 Hawks or 91 Crush for example), I'm not sure that I would waste my time playing against the national teams at tournaments like Naptown. I know that it is good for development to play against better talent, but no kid wants to get blown out by a group of national programs all weekend. This is not meant to bash the national team model, my son has played for one, but it is not a great option if it is going to be your only team. As we all know, the most important aspect of lacrosse is quality practice time, other than a last minute pre-tournament practices, you are not getting that at the national level. Your coach could be the best D1 coach out there, but what are you really getting out of 1 or 2 practices.

The team is hand picked. Tryout is a money grab. Wake up. If they wanted your son he would be on the team already.

Yes, this is correct, completely hand-picked, they know exactly who they want.

My eyes are open and my son is the second coming of Paul Rabil. Anyone answer the question of the annual cost?

Educated guess...$400ish for initial team dues (gets you helmet and full gear) and first camp/tournament. Then $200 for each tournament after.

Last year it was around $350 for the "dues" which included the uniform but not the helmet, gloves, etc. then you had to pay for the mini camps which was $850 for the year. Tournaments are generally around $200 each. Exhibition games are cheaper.

Your eyes may be open , but you are having a hard time seeing the writing on the wall. Annual cost is irrelevant , Your son is not on the team for a reason, now HIT The Wall !! Better luck next year getting noticed.

I appreciate the advice but it's been 20+ years since I needed to hit the wall and get noticed. You won't notice me as I'll watch the games with my wife or other reasonable parents. We try and stay away from the crazies that coach their kids from the sidelines and yell at refs or grumble about the coaches or other players if things aren't perfect. When my son does well my heart will swell with pride but I won't brag on a forum or in person. If he struggles it will be up to him to hit the wall or ask his coach for help. Thanks to those who answered my question

Did you get your answer at the “tryout.”

One of the guys behind it is from NJ, he coached the '23 Tri-State Shore team, was fired and moved to Utah. Believe the team only played in two events. One was a b/s event in NJ run by Mad Dog, a waste of time.

The real goal is for True and Hawks to get to know top players not tied leading programs so they can invite the player to be guest players during the year.

Hard pass here too. Attitudes like speak volumes to the character of a team. No thanks.

My understanding is that True Atlantic (like the other True National teams) is designed as an 'add on' to a player's current club. [/quote]

OK. Thanks for nothing. There's a tryout advertised this weekend. Cost is an issue for some. But if your attitude is indicative of the team then hard pass[/quote]

Did you get your answer at the “tryout.”[/quote]

One of the guys behind it is from NJ, he coached the '23 Tri-State Shore team, was fired and moved to Utah. Believe the team only played in two events. One was a b/s event in NJ run by Mad Dog, a waste of time.

The real goal is for True and Hawks to get to know top players not tied leading programs so they can invite the player to be guest players during the year.
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The guys behind it have nothing ro do with NJ. One of them a National Director for True and the other guy is a local Md poacher/team hopper

This.

The "purpose" of the True Atlantic team is for the old ACS team to get a national organization behind it. True benefits by having another (it has three now) "National" 2023 team with a lot of talent. The tryout was likely to fill a few spots, so it was mostly a money grab, but hey, if parents are willing to pay...

I think that the NJ thing came into play because the old tri-state coach now works for true, and a few of his former tri-state kids play on True Atlantic

Hard pass isnt needed. There is a reason neither of you are getting an invite

Why was the post listing clubs removed?

Sounds like the crazy goalie mom is back at it!!!!

someone's man

Is it opposite day?

Team 91 Md has a player on the U15 US Lacrosse National Development team. What other area club teams have players on the U15 tam?

Is this a question, or are you suggesting that having a player on the U15 team makes 91 MD special, because it is not a very good team.

Shouldn't you be posting this in the 2022 page? Ohh that's right your son.....Used to be a '22

Curious to know what other teams have players that made the U15 team. Team 91 Md 2023 is mid-tier at best.

U15 is age not grade based hammerhead. And this player is not my son.

LOL

"Put in the 9th Grader!"

Curious to know what other teams have players that made the U15 team. Team 91 Md 2023 is mid-tier at best.[/quot

Should be asking did anyone actually try out?

So not your son or his club

The vast majority of the kids are 2022 as it should be for a 15 year old team. Most 2023 players will look to join next year. That is why the question should be posted in the 2022 group. Will the Team91 player be under 15 next year?

You are dense. Age is age. If he meets the underage limit the grade means nothing. Just like rec lacrosse. Btw, all of the top clubs have holdbacks at 2023, especially Crabs, so, based on your implication, there should be other 2023 clubs with players that made U15 unless they did not measure up as u15.

Not sure why you keep equating a player making the U15 team with his club, congrats if you kid was good enough to make the team, but as stated above 91 MD is a mid tier team, so not sure why you are trying to make a connection

Team USA Select U15 Roster

"You are dense. Age is age. If he meets the underage limit the grade means nothing. Just like rec lacrosse. Btw, all of the top clubs have holdbacks at 2023, especially Crabs, so, based on your implication, there should be other 2023 clubs with players that made U15 unless they did not measure up as u15."

Really who is dense? Why are you posting this in the 2023 page and asking if other 2023 clubs had any players make it? The point is that most of the players listed are 2022's. Ask again next year in the 2023 group page. The player in question is most likely the age of the other 2022's and a good player. If asking about other clubs and maybe inferring why 91 and not players from Hawks, Crabs, ect.. you are now seeing that these players will be on the U15 team or attempting to next year. This is a great way to see once and for all who really has the most holdbacks. What are you going to say next year when these kids prove they are on age? time will tell. Most 2023's turn 15 after 9/1 but maybe you are that dense.

The FO kid from Michigan is REALLY good. He played in some tournaments in the East over the Summer and dominated some of the FO kids from top programs. He's a 2023, although I'm not sure if he's on age.

If he's graduating in 2023, he's on age. Or in this case, if he's U15, he's on age.

But he won’t be next year when the 2023s are trying out

What will be your excuse for Jr when he does not make it next year dad? There are more holdbacks than not on the top Baltimore club teams and I don’t see any of them on the team. Why not?

This is a funny exchange because of facts. There are more Hawks players than any other team. 300% more than team 91 players. They are all 2022 players. Next season they will be 2023 players on the team. Well except for one former player/dad/coach/director his son will be too old but still a 2023. HMMM

The 2023 player is a reclass.

Where are all the Baltimore club players? The only 2023 is from 91. No Crabs. Nearly that entire team should be in 10th grade. You make a sound like the 91 kid is the only holdback and therefore obvious he made it. But no other holdbacks did.

This is the reason they were held back. They couldn't compete against on age players. Pretty easy to see. And sorta sad too.

Time will tell but the U15 (age based) US team will put to rest many hold back accusations. Holdbacks are on these teams but not the best players on these teams. Wait and see next year when kids you call holdbacks prove they are one age. The team will feature Crabs and Hawks players.

So what. He's on age for a u15.

So? You are applying one tournament's rules to others. The term is "apples to oranges."

Technically - you are wrong. Time will tell, but not in the way you hope. If by chance there are are 'holdback' hawks and crabs players as you say... they will not be eligible for U15 next year. They will be the lower end of the U17 bracket. 2023 is 2023, but U15 is actually U15

Missing the point. Not even sure why I bother. Time will tell that the Hawks and Crabs players YOU THINK are holdback are NOT holdbacks. There are some, yes, but they are not the top players. The top players are ON age and will make the U15 team because they will still be U15 and 2023 like most normal rising 10th graders.

Crabs best players are holdbacks except one attackman and he could have made the u15 teamif he tried out

I bet you still believe in the tooth fairy too ?

Michigan kid is a 2005 birth year - 9th grader. He will still qualify for U15 team next year if he stays good enough.

Fake news. Crabs players are almost all holdbacks, including all three of the starting attackmen, defense, and midfield. Hawks do have some holdbacks, but no where near as many as the Crabs.

Now that fall tourneys are almost over, did any of the player movements make a difference? How do the True teams fit into the ranks? Did FCA and Loonies gain or lose ground? Did 91's new players elevate them any this year? Dogs & Hawks?

Based on IL and NAL tournaments it appears Looney's is slightly better, FCA is slightly worse, 91 with Texas Kids and Holdbacks is better, Dogs seems to be holding steady and impressive, Hawks and True Atlantic are elite.

VLC went undefeated and beat the snot out of every B level team they played this fall.

The True National Atlantic team is indeed elite. They play fast, skilled and very unselfish. Always looking for the one more pass and constant moving off ball. Was hoping to watch 91 bandits and True play. Would be pulling for True. Definitely one of the best teams in the country. Some really good 2023 teams out there.

Crabs are still the top team in Baltimore and on any given weekend the top team. True is True but they have players from these teams so hard to compare.

All star teams shouldn't really count in any kind of rankings, unless you're ranking just the All Star teams.

I am pretty sure Hawks knocked Crabs from the number one spot last year; Hawks is clearly the best team in Baltimore. Thanks for playing.

The HOCO results say otherwise. Since when are the Hawks a Baltimore team?

So I guess Crabs is a DC team or Texas team when they have players from other States play? Hawks are in HOCO so yes they choose to play in Bmore. Sorry but the sun has set on the Crustacean Empire.

Give me a break. Crabs is an all star team

2023 Crabs is the last good team for Crabs. Done after that.

Were.

Hawks are yesterday's news as they get older. Crabs are top team this year and will continue as they go thru high school years. Hawks will continue their spiral downward until they graduate, or what is left of them .

I could care less, really... I dislike both the Crabs and Hawks parents as they all act foolish on the sideline. That said, as long as the Hawks have the best goalie, pole, attackman, and import the FO to address that need, they are clearly the best team. Dogs have the best coaching which is why they hang around.

Dogs players have kids on the 2032 team

Maybe so but I am sure those laxdads could win a game v. the hawks or crabs laxdads

Are we really going to do this....No one has posted here in months because we all moved on....This is so notIntelligent....

Lot of grumblings at BL because their freshman didn’t make varsity...All of those dedicated years at Crabs and tournament t-shirts and you thought you were in..HaHaHa...

This post just made my coffee taste better and I didn’t think that was possible because my coffee is pretty good.

Tell me one MIAA school where freshman make Varsity and see the field? It happens but it is extremely rare; parents needs to wake up and let their kids enjoy playing.

Brightside is that they have some nice T -shirts !

BL Varsity was loaded with underclassman last year. They are still there. Limited spots available this year for the incoming sophomore aged class , oops I mean Freshman class

CHC had one last year who averaged about 3 goals a game. Although he is both a year older, and a pretty rare talent. So, yeah...not very common.

More importantly, why would a kid (or parent) want to make varsity only to ride the bench all year. The High School team will be the only lacrosse all Spring, so kids should play where they will get to actually play.

No freshman goalie on V?

It is one of the best high school programs in the country. This freshman kid will be fine he is great but no coach is going to bench a Senior Goalie (who by the way is going to a very good D1 school to play lax.) They are both very good but one is 4 years older so get a grip. This is a legit high school program who sends kids to college every year.

Thanks dad

What’s the scoop on the Looneys to Loyola pipeline with 2023?

Anyone know why clubs have chosen to not post rosters? Poaching?

Coaches are LB grads, LB head coach is now HC of 2023, several were already there for middle school, practice at LB

Looneys 23 Orange has a lot of Loyola players. That was likely going to be the case even before Coach U decided to take the Looneys job.
Depending on how you count "starters", probably all but one of their 'starting' middies and attack are Loyola kids. Defense is a bit more diverse and the FOs are not at Loyola.

Not sure how all those kids did at Loyola tryouts...assuming most are on JV.

No freshman on varsity at LB.

So the Loyola V HC also coaches Looneys 2023 but none made the V?

Maybe none were projected to be contributors. What's the point of freshman on varsity if they don't play in the games?

The Loyola 2023 class along with the BL 2023 class are both loaded and will be formidable over the next few years if they all stick together. The JV team at Loyola is mostly Freshmen across the board so it will be interesting to see them grow together over the next 4 years..

Most of the Looneys players at LB ended up on Jv. Two are on the freshman team. No reason to sit on the bench on varsity

And less than a handful are on age 2023. The epidemic of holdbacks is finally here. There have always been some Prefirst/holdbacks in MIAA, but now it is out of control how many are !

As far as I'm aware, Looneys 2023 Orange has zero holdbacks. It's possible that one or two did a "Prefirst" holdback (a few kids don't have birthdays listed). None of them did an 8th grade holdback.

And based on many of the kids playing in age based box tournaments, the top kids are all "on age 2023". So they all just turned 15 or will in the next few months. 16 year olds wouldn't have been eligible for the U15 box tournaments the kids have been playing in over the Winter.

BL is loaded ...and loaded with older 2023. Lets not pretend it is just a prefirst/holdback of one or two, LOL

Any observations from and of the JV games the 2023s played in over the weekend? I think BL, St.P, Loyola and CH all had games.

Looneys has holdbacks. It does not matter if it’s prefirst or another year.

You say that as if you know. You have no idea.

Even if he didnt know, like there isnt any ?? Come on , its Baltimore . Land of prefirst and Holdbacks. No good team doesnt have some and many have more than a few.

Calvert Hall JV is going to be special this year; very impressive scrimmage yesterday against Gonzaga. Just like the varsity they run the MIAA and JV and Varisty win it all this year.

Calvert Hall wins MIAA ship for foreseeable future until BL gets their boarding school up and running or McD stops messing around with their boarders and brings in out of state players only. Until then, it is CH, Ch , CH, etc. winning Championships year after year.

That’s what they said about Gilman football.

Gilman easily would have keep winning year after year if they hadnt got rid of their coach. Who immediately took his players to St Frances. And on cue, MIAA refuses to play St Frances after getting stomped on by former coach and players.

CH is not getting rid of Kelly. So expect CH to dominate until other programs do something to compete. Sorry, just the way it is. .

What has happened to the 2023 Baltimore Crabs? I think they’ve lost 3-4 games already this summer. Today to a Thunder team at NLF😳

FCA playing BBB against watered down competition; what has happened to elite lax at the 2023 level?

This is what happens when the Crabs Coaches don't develop players and when hold backs start to lose the age and maturity advantage that they had.

Same thunder team also beat DC Dogs who also went to OT v Sweetlax. All the games at NLF were close

So many teams. Every program is “elite”. If everyone is elite, no one is elite.

whoa that was deep

Looneys has two holdbacks.

Now we are jawing about JV? Yikes. How’s your B club team? Dominating the lower tourney bracket this summer?

Thank you Yoda !

Bryan Kelly strikes again... rigs the UA tryouts.

Half of his fca team makes it. If you want to make it, join fca or go to chc.

Haha one group of boot licking privileged dads upset that another group gets the one up here.

Politics wins this time. We all know what happens in the end to shady, cheating politicians. It only lasts for so long until you have to actually man-up. Stay tuned, tides do change!

Looneys dominating B level teams at NAL. This team continues to regress with daddy ball mentality.

Looney’s wins the Rec Division of NAL in a decisive 6-5 win over national powerhouse Juice Cherries 😳

Hawks take down the BIG BAD DC Dogs in the finals on NAL. Nice win boys!!! Looneys; lol please. Why did they even have the two other brackets?

Wait. I thought DC dogs were 2023 numero uno? Hmmm. Guess not so much.

Is a former Looney’s dad Coach posting all these? Sure, everyone knows Looneys 2023 cannot compete with top teams and has underperformed year after year, but the combo post about Hawks seems obvious who posted it.

The last time Hawks 2023 lost a Tourney was in 2018.

Good observation but let’s be honest, word is out Looneys club is imploding and the 23s just don’t have the talent to play elite level ball. Decent goaltending and some nice attack but after that yikes.

They lost to Thunder from Atlanta and went to OT with Sweetlax at the NLF Kickoff

Yeah - Hawks are desperate only able to win games now with guest players trying to recreate the True Mid-Atlantic formula...sad really that the club can't seem to win anymore with just a pure local Maryland team of talent. Think a few holdbacks on that roster as well....and if playing TM 91 Maryland, DC Express, and Leading Edge are considered the "A" bracket to brag about...someone hold my beer and pass me a box of tissues because I am laughing so hard.

What do you mean by daddy ball? I don’t see that at all when watching them play.

Now that is hilarious and so true !!!

Funny. Hawks are suddenly desperate. Even though they won every tournament last year. Beating DC dogs. Crabs. Long island this and that. And just won Again. With a team that went through tryouts last August. Um. Ok. Maybe they are just a good team. How about that.

Looneys Road to a tournament title - Orange Crush, Express North and Bluestar followed by Juice Cherries in Finals. 3 of those teams played at the AA Level a week prior. Move Looneys to the elite bracket of NAL and they go 0-3. Play DC Dogs or Hawks in the finals and the lose by double digits. It’s a joke that their considered NAL champions.

It is a joke that a former parent spends so much time following the team and commenting negatively on this site. The team is pretty good and much better than last year. You need to get over it and possibly talk to a therapist. Your posts are becoming a little troubling.

Personally, I think it’s someone from FCA! No one has mentioned that they lost two games yesterday and one the day before. Why would anyone be upset with Looneys or Hawks for winning. That sounds a little weird to me. Nice try though!
FCA was so excited to win in scrimmages where teams were missing players. It’s got to be embarrassing when you realize your still the same teams you always have been. At least your better than 91 this year! Cheers!

Very true and to think that 10 FCA players made UA roster is laughable. Hawks has been the best team at this grade for years and they have 5...all great players and deserving. FCA has 10 with maybe 3-4 being deserving. You have to laugh at a process that has multiple FCA coaches involved, one of which is a dad of a player trying out. Not to mention another dad from a different club acting as an evaluator. No surprise his son also made the team after a subpar tryout.

The club is better in every facet compared to last year. Anyone claiming they are imploding is obviously clueless - or confusing the Orange team with the Green team.

Man have to feel bad for that program.

This is such an absurd discussion, if any of you think that a team's record means anything at this age, you are simply clueless. The only reason any of you care about this garbage is for the bragging rights for your own egos. Every one of the teams at NAL have a kid, or in some cases kids, that can play elite college level lacrosse. Sure there may be more of those players on Hawks, DC Dogs, etc., but in the big picture, it is meaningless. We all know that if your kid is good enough, he will be discovered. What's more amazing is watching the parents of 15-16 year-olds at these tournaments carrying tents and coolers to the sidelines for their kid's team, any opportunity to get in the good graces of the coach and get more playing time for little Johnny...pathetic

Or to make sure their kids are shaded and hydrated in 100+ degree temps which can be deadly.....what a moronic statement!!

Missing the point helicopter dad, the kids can carry their own tents and coolers when the are 15, or in some cases 17....

So the supposed genius thinks that having a tent on the sidelines (which non of the players stand under) will make playing in the 100+ heat non-lethal...got it...

Rock being the St. Paul feeder. HILARIOUS Sp has one decent t 23 and he plays for FCA

They have a few good ones on Looneys as well. The LSM was on the varsity this year along with the FCA kid.

Not when they're warming up stunad; god forbid parents helping out the team.

Agree with SP assessment. Few good players on looneys teams as well. Rock kids are JV players at the most.

What about after the game when all of the players walk away and leave all of the garbage for their parents to clean up, not for one instance do they think about helping.....parents of high school players should be on the sideline rooting for their kids not acting as valets.... but I know, you're just "helping out the team"...

What about after the game when all of the players walk away and leave all of the garbage for their parents to clean up, not for one instance do they think about helping.....parents of high school players should be on the sideline rooting for their kids not acting as valets.... but I know, you're just "helping out the team"...[/quote]


Ok - awesome - At the next tournament, we will keep an eye out for your perfect kid - the best on the field, from a true MD program, that is honestly run, with absolutely no holdbacks or kids from other programs or states that paid registration fees like everyone else. The kid that is carrying not only his bag, but his team tent, and a cooler of water and hey maybe a chair for the ref. I guess if we still aren’t sure who your kid is, he will be the one picking up everyone’s trash on the sidelines after the game. Obviously he’s not on the hawks, and he didn’t make under armour.

Ok - awesome - At the next tournament, we will keep an eye out for your perfect kid - the best on the field, from a true MD program, that is honestly run, with absolutely no holdbacks or kids from other programs or states that paid registration fees like everyone else. The kid that is carrying not only his bag, but his team tent, and a cooler of water and hey maybe a chair for the ref. I guess if we still aren’t sure who your kid is, he will be the one picking up everyone’s trash on the sidelines after the game. Obviously he’s not on the hawks, and he didn’t make under armour.[/quote]

Since you clearly cannot understand the big picture, this discussion is a waste of time. These kids are in high school, they need to take on a little more responsibility. While you may have good intentions as a parent, it is not too much to ask of the kids to bear a little bit of the burden. You drive your kid all over for tournaments, practices, play dates, etc., not to mention the money that you lay out to support him. Frankly, if I were the team coach, I would sure as heck make sure that the players are seeing to their own needs as much as possible. At this point, it is the coach's job to develop these kids from a playing perspective and as young men. As for the other nonsense about my perfect kid, he certainly is not, but I would sure say something to him if he left garbage all over the sidelines or didn't help out with something as simple as grabbing the corner of a tent. As for your assessment of my kid's talent, I will let that go in light of the fact that you are pounding your chest about Under Armour...and not sure about the Hawks reference, that team has been reduced to a core group with an assortment of weekly guest players.

Unfortunately players only have donk parents on BOTC and cheating and lying coaches as their role models. Don’t expect too much from the as they follow their example....you!


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Ok - awesome - At the next tournament, we will keep an eye out for your perfect kid - the best on the field, from a true MD program, that is honestly run, with absolutely no holdbacks or kids from other programs or states that paid registration fees like everyone else. The kid that is carrying not only his bag, but his team tent, and a cooler of water and hey maybe a chair for the ref. I guess if we still aren’t sure who your kid is, he will be the one picking up everyone’s trash on the sidelines after the game. Obviously he’s not on the hawks, and he didn’t make under armour.[/quote]

Since you clearly cannot understand the big picture, this discussion is a waste of time. These kids are in high school, they need to take on a little more responsibility. While you may have good intentions as a parent, it is not too much to ask of the kids to bear a little bit of the burden. You drive your kid all over for tournaments, practices, play dates, etc., not to mention the money that you lay out to support him. Frankly, if I were the team coach, I would sure as heck make sure that the players are seeing to their own needs as much as possible. At this point, it is the coach's job to develop these kids from a playing perspective and as young men. As for the other nonsense about my perfect kid, he certainly is not, but I would sure say something to him if he left garbage all over the sidelines or didn't help out with something as simple as grabbing the corner of a tent. As for your assessment of my kid's talent, I will let that go in light of the fact that you are pounding your chest about Under Armour...and not sure about the Hawks reference, that team has been reduced to a core group with an assortment of weekly guest players.[/quote]

Where are all the black kids? This sport is very Racist and does not respect the Countries values of Diversity and Inclusion.

Relax there , USL will have a Cover with the picture of a Black Lacrosse players with some glowing words and a few pc correct articles inside, PLL has some bright shiny BLM patches on their uniforms, Lars Tiffany has written a article to lacrosse world telling us that this country was built on the back of blacks. College Coaches associations has had one zoom meeting after another on diversity, List goes on and on at college and pro level.

Is that enough pandering to get the racist label off ?? I think diving, swimming and crew should be looked at too.

Does anyone know whats really going on with Crab Feast?
No schedule 2 days before it starts

Schedule is out now.

The True National Black and Green teams are hardly better than the True MD teams. Wth? Is this the same True National that beats up on top teams?

You’re think of a True Atlantic National Team

The True National Black team is suppose to be a top team. The True National Atlantic team is elite.

Hawks lost to the Crabs today......

The hawks were out coached and out played. I wonder if they are going to get rid of the daddy ball coaches for next year?

That daddy ball mentality trickled down to the UA tryouts as well; Hawks and FCA well represented on that team. Shocking. Anyone else hear the HC of FCA son scream at the HC at crabs at halftime when FCA was up 5-1? Boy did that backfire! Of course the kid played the entire second half and did nothing.

Shocker - Hawks out coached yet again. Daddy ball doesn't get the job done fellas. Maybe you should try to bring in some kids from New York oh wait that didn't get the job done either! Rumor has it lots of spots will be open on that roster if those two buffoons come back to coach next year.

Will Hawks ever learn? Daddy ball hasn't been getting it done for a while.

Hawks have been in the championship game of every tournament they've played in the last three years. win some, lose some. Looks like they've gotten something done for awhile now.

Buffalo bills of the 2023 class?

Well. If they were the Bills they would have lost every one. They have clearly not. You really don’t know your sports history. Do some research before you make a reference. Google can help.

Do they need to win every single game and tournament to gain your approval? They we've a ton. They have developed some of the best players at their positions for the class of 2023. My son on a different club but hat tip to the Hawks players and coaches for being one of the best while playing against the best

Bmore lax embarrassed today at weak Millon tourney. 3D NE whipped Looneys and 91MD by double digits. Kooper’s winless. Unseeded final game for last place tomorrow bw Koopers and 91MD.

Since when would anyone consider T91 or Looney’s representing Baltimore lacrosse?? Crabs and FCA would be a different story. This was a B level event

The 3D New England team is stacked. Put Crabs or Hawks against them and the result wouldn't be much different.

Yes. 23 91 and Koopers very similar to crabs and FCA. Lol

dense. And 91MD best K 4-3 today. So has 91 fallen further down or has K improved that much?

3D NE wouldn’t even beat Rock.

Players on TM91 MD and Looneys are rostered with several highly talented young athletes from the Baltimore area that attend the same private schools as Crabs and FCA players. Plenty of these same players are also top multi-sport athletes at their respective schools. Crabs and FCA are great teams for sure - but putting other teams down with players that work hard and love the sport is childish and insecure. Arrogance eventually reaps the karma it deserves...

Nobody was putting looneys down.... it appears they were just putting Koopers, 91, and Rock down. Lol

At some point you must stop helecoptering junior. You already held him back. He is still on a second tier club. Life is hard dad.

It’s funny.. You can tell the only parents that post of these forums are Hawks, Crabs, Looneys, and FCA parents...Pissing and moaning on how they were cheated and how great they are.....A complete cancer....If you are of these lax aunt parents.. Eat a Richard....Lacrosse is bigger than you and you glamorous clubs.....Yeah, Yeah Yeah... I was cut by your clubs...Go pound sand ...

My guess is your son is not going to St. Mary's, BL, Loyola and CH? Amazing how these coaches now take lesser players committed to their schools over talent; club lacrosse has become an ugly business over the years to say the least.

Calvert Hall takes lesser talent? They might be the best team in the US?

Alright my kid plays on a national team and on a local club out of Philly so no horse in this game but I have to say comparing 91 MD 2023 and Koopers to Crabs/FCA at 2023 is a total joke.

My sons team lost to FCA this summer by 2-3 goals and beat 91 MD by 10. Not even remotely comparable.

Now that said there are some great players on 91MD at least but the overall talent and depth isnt close.

Who are the teams to beat this summer ?

Koopers 2023 wasn’t even entered in Millon event. They played NXT that weekend.

91 has the best player in 2023 class. It will do great as always

Who’s are the best High School seniors in the MIAA this year??

Good question