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explain to me haw a 7th grader earned the right to be on varsity? Did they play better than every other P.A.L. kid? Have you witnessed many H.S. practices? Same drill run by coach over and over, good for fundamentals, but I thought we were talking about advanced players that could already pass and catch? A 2 hour practice with a good coach that teaches plays, strategy , and advances your lax I.Q. is far better than running line drills, and shooting drills 2hours a day 5 days a week. Lets face it, if your kid is going to be pulled up it's because your in a weak lacrosse school, and line and shooting drills will be order of the day every day.

It just shows what an ignorant moron you are. Its simple they earn it because they have put in the time to be a better more skilled player than the older kid. Many coaches are involved with their teams in the fall and get a look at these younger kids. The top seeded team in section xi has brought kids up for years as has the top seeded c team in suffolk (not sure about the B teams). You come across as a weasel who knows there are kids who will take your kids spot but feel she has earned the spot because she has been thru more what you seem to feel are useless practices, makes no sense.

If your lucky enough to play for one of the to 7 or 8 high schools then good for you, but as a whole H.S.teams are not that good at defense and have no Offensive strategy,. Club practices are much better because, presumably, every girl all ready plays at a high level, therefore, the 1 hour of line and shooting drills are kept to a 5 min. warm up. You obversely don't watch many H.S. games on L.I. because the officiating becomes various from game to game, the same refs aren't even consistent game to game. Just for giggles, as a poll, where is it worse Nassau of Suffolk? my daughter is finished with both club and H.S. and I can tell you that without question she got more out of club practice than H.S. If your daughter is opposite than your at one of these schools
E.I.
Nport
'set
G.C.
E.S.M.
Mt. S
Oside
Fdale
sachem E
stown E&W
W.I.
csh
Haup
Hunt.
sayville
swr
wantaugh
good for her but at most schools thats not the case. because that list is less than 20 schools in 3 div. when there are 98 public schools competing on L.I.

My kid is almost done, and never missed a varsity start from freshman year on. Unlike you I didn't feel the need to live through my kid, though I throughly enjoyed every minuet of watching her play. In checking the schedule I see that your outstanding 7th grader will be playing my daughter, and I am looking forward to seeing these well accomplished athletes you think have earned a spot on a varsity team take on my daughter. to make it more interesting, it happens late in the season so you will have no excuses. as far as being a moron , it is you that is uninformed and caught in a lie. N.Y.S does not allow coaches to particapate in, or mandate practice, and can not actively take place in the recruitment of players : I.E. non high school age kids, out of season. So with that being said your either lying, or you just screwed your coach, here are the rules as they are written

VII. Out of Season Practice Policy
On May 24, 2000, the Section XI Athletic Council eliminated the Section XI Out of Season Practice Policy (sometimes referred to as the 49% rule) entirely!

Understand, however, that this action does not necessarily make practicing out of season OK. Schools are still bound by the NYSPHSAA regulations. They are:

NYSPHSAA REGULATION - PRACTICE SESSIONS:
a. An organized practice in grades 7-12 is a session for the purpose of providing instruction and practice in physical conditioning activities, skills, team play, and game strategy designed expressly for that sport under the supervision of a qualified coach appointed by the Board of Education of the local school district. Such instruction and practice shall be held only during the season designated for that sport.
c. School sponsored activities conducted out of the sport season such as general conditioning, weight training, weight lifting, intramurals, recreation, open gyms, club activities and camps are permitted: 1. If such programs are not mandated by coaches or school personnel; 2. If such programs are available to all students.
d. Non-school sponsored activities are permitted if such programs are not mandated by coaches or school personnel. It is recommended that no school equipment be used for these programs as per State Comptroller Opinion 85-37.

Rev 5/11


VIII. Recruiting of Athletes
To maintain the educational standards and dignity of our academic and athletic programs, all member schools of Section XI must refrain from practices such as recruitments, enticements, inducements, or other pressures which encourage students for athletic purposes to leave or not to enter their schools of normal enrollment or schools in which they are enrolled.

Schools alleged to be in violation will be referred to the Ethics Committee.

Upon request, member schools that receive tuition must make available to Section XI all records of financial aid to athletes.

My kid is almost done, and never missed a varsity start from freshman year on. Unlike you I didn't feel the need to live through my kid, though I throughly enjoyed every minuet of watching her play. In checking the schedule I see that your outstanding 7th grader will be playing my daughter, and I am looking forward to seeing these well accomplished athletes you think have earned a spot on a varsity team take on my daughter. to make it more interesting, it happens late in the season so you will have no excuses. as far as being a moron , it is you that is uninformed and caught in a lie. N.Y.S does not allow coaches to particapate in, or mandate practice, and can not actively take place in the recruitment of players : I.E. non high school age kids, out of season. So with that being said your either lying, or you just screwed your coach, here are the rules as they are written

VII. Out of Season Practice Policy
On May 24, 2000, the Section XI Athletic Council eliminated the Section XI Out of Season Practice Policy (sometimes referred to as the 49% rule) entirely!

Understand, however, that this action does not necessarily make practicing out of season OK. Schools are still bound by the NYSPHSAA regulations. They are:

NYSPHSAA REGULATION - PRACTICE SESSIONS:
a. An organized practice in grades 7-12 is a session for the purpose of providing instruction and practice in physical conditioning activities, skills, team play, and game strategy designed expressly for that sport under the supervision of a qualified coach appointed by the Board of Education of the local school district. Such instruction and practice shall be held only during the season designated for that sport.
c. School sponsored activities conducted out of the sport season such as general conditioning, weight training, weight lifting, intramurals, recreation, open gyms, club activities and camps are permitted: 1. If such programs are not mandated by coaches or school personnel; 2. If such programs are available to all students.
d. Non-school sponsored activities are permitted if such programs are not mandated by coaches or school personnel. It is recommended that no school equipment be used for these programs as per State Comptroller Opinion 85-37.

Rev 5/11


VIII. Recruiting of Athletes
To maintain the educational standards and dignity of our academic and athletic programs, all member schools of Section XI must refrain from practices such as recruitments, enticements, inducements, or other pressures which encourage students for athletic purposes to leave or not to enter their schools of normal enrollment or schools in which they are enrolled.

Schools alleged to be in violation will be referred to the Ethics Committee.

Upon request, member schools that receive tuition must make available to Section XI all records of financial aid to athletes.

If your lucky enough to play for one of the to 7 or 8 high schools then good for you, but as a whole H.S.teams are not that good at defense and have no Offensive strategy,. Club practices are much better because, presumably, every girl all ready plays at a high level, therefore, the 1 hour of line and shooting drills are kept to a 5 min. warm up. You obversely don't watch many H.S. games on L.I. because the officiating becomes various from game to game, the same refs aren't even consistent game to game. Just for giggles, as a poll, where is it worse Nassau of Suffolk? my daughter is finished with both club and H.S. and I can tell you that without question she got more out of club practice than H.S. If your daughter is opposite than your at one of these schools
E.I.
Nport
'set
G.C.
E.S.M.
Mt. S
Oside
Fdale
sachem E
stown E&W
W.I.
csh
Haup
Hunt.
sayville
swr
wantaugh
good for her but at most schools thats not the case. because that list is less than 20 schools in 3 div. when there are 98 public schools competing on L.I.

Dude you really are making yourself seem clueless. Many coaches hold off season workouts and put teams in tournaments and leagues in which they get a look at kids who are coming up , its just that these things are not mandatory. Actually it works against the point you are so feebly trying to make in that a lot of time the upperclassmen who are not committed to lax do not attend while these middle school kids show to everything trying to prove themselves.You may want to think these things thru prior to posting.

There are NO 7th graders that can match up with a legit 11-12th grade varsity starter. They will never be able to run with the midfielders and they will be dominated by good defenders if they play attack.

Please tell me the team that has a full team of these legit 11-12th graders that no 7th grader in the country can compete with, there are none . Yes there are teams and players that even the top 7 the graders would struggle against but so would just about every other high school player. Why do you think it's different than other sports especially considering it is a non contact sport by rule. In all individual sports in high school where opinion means nothing there are 7-8th graders that compete with the best of them , it's just in girls lacrosse you have parents such as yourself that are so blinded by jealousy they can't actually see the talent of other kids. What team does your daughter play on so I can laugh when some 7 the grader lights her up.

You are a dangerously stupid parent! By rule Girls lax is non contact, but it is very physical, and contact happens all the time. I have seen girls break legs, hands from checks, get cross checked to the throat, get laid out on the crease etc..As far as teams you little 7th grader couldn't play against Mc Donough, G.C., Manhasset, Northport, F-Dale, Sayville, St anthony's, Vero Beach, Amongst others would physically maul your kid. As far as laughing at me , I told you our kids will play this year, I'll let you know when it's done. I truly hope you don't think A few 7th graders are going to make RIVERHEAD a competitive team all of a sudden? Take some advice, shut your mouth now before you look even more foolish. This board has a long memory and your too new and stupid to this game to be shooting your mouth off. Their are lots of girls on lots of teams that have put in twice as many years playing this game than your kid, your little girl is not unique to lacrosse.

Agree 100%. Upperclassman are that much bigger, what I call "womanized" than a 7th grader, no matter how tall she is. They are just physically dominant. And they're more experienced and confident. Any 7th grader who tries to dodge the net everytime she gets the ball because that's what works in club is going to have her [lacrosse] handed to her.

Maybe this is a stupid question but what would the advantage be for a varsity coach to move a girl up unless they felt they would be at least somewhat successful? I can't imagine coaches would take any 7th/8th grader up unless they were truly a "special" player. Why would she/he waste their time?

Unless your from Rocky Point and your daughter plays for the Lady Eagle which may I add is coached by a dedicated parent who should really be the Varsity HEAD coach , most would tell you everyone of those 7th / 8th graders are far more superior then any Varsity player from 10 - 12th grade in the district and are coached to play against any level of competition , which again was molded by the youth organization who does a phenomenal job with the program without any help from varsity coaches

Lady Eagle, Lady bagle, Lady whatever. Your 7th grader is gonna get whipped against most 11-12th grade starting varsity players.. We know she is special but thats reality. Trying to compare girls lax with swimming, gymnastics, tennis is stupid.

Really?
You my dear follower are dilusional. Unfortunately the drop out rate of rp high school girls lax players due to the poorly ran high school program , leaves no choice but to fill the void . In this instance an organized youth program makes it easier for varsity coach run a team that runs itself with minumal effort

Maybe this is a stupid question but what would the advantage be for a varsity coach to move a girl up unless they felt they would be at least somewhat successful? I can't imagine coaches would take any 7th/8th grader up unless they were truly a "special" player. Why would she/he waste their time?

You are a dangerously stupid parent! By rule Girls lax is non contact, but it is very physical, and contact happens all the time. I have seen girls break legs, hands from checks, get cross checked to the throat, get laid out on the crease etc..As far as teams you little 7th grader couldn't play against Mc Donough, G.C., Manhasset, Northport, F-Dale, Sayville, St anthony's, Vero Beach, Amongst others would physically maul your kid. As far as laughing at me , I told you our kids will play this year, I'll let you know when it's done. I truly hope you don't think A few 7th graders are going to make RIVERHEAD a competitive team all of a sudden? Take some advice, shut your mouth now before you look even more foolish. This board has a long memory and your too new and stupid to this game to be shooting your mouth off. Their are lots of girls on lots of teams that have put in twice as many years playing this game than your kid, your little girl is not unique to lacrosse.


Again you make it way to easy to make you look like the dumb [lacrosse] you are. First I am not from Riverhead but it shows a lot about your character when you talk about looking forward to playing a team that is still new and non-competitive, lets just say again your kid is obviously not an elite player. Next you mention Farmingdale and Northport , ask their head coaches if they would bring up a 7th grader if they thought she deserved it, I know for a fact they would, can you say Courtney Fortunato. The other teams you talk about 99 percent of Long Island teams will not play. So transparent your kid is borderline varsity and you are worried about some 7th grader displacing her, tell her to work harder.

You must have gone to the Obama school of Spinning B.S. The whole conversation was revolving around Riverbed 7th graders being pulled up, and all of a sudden your not from Riverbed? OK my mistake. Yes I can say Courtney Fortunato, A very rare occurrence in N-Port that will probably not happen again for a long time because the program is strong and really does not need to pull 7th graders up all the time and defiantly not in mass. Can you name 1 from F-dale that has been pulled up? My kid is not a borderline player at all, Signed to a D1, what about yours, I sure she will be starting at Duke right. As far as your asinine statement about the teams from L.I. to refresh you obviously feeble mind, it was in answer to your question, And I quote "Please tell me the team that has a full team of these legit 11-12th graders that no 7th grader in the country can compete with, there are none ."

Wow your kid is going to be on a D1 lax team, big deal, no one cares. By the way Northport is bringing a kid up from 7th grade this season. Stop be jealous of these 7th graders that have already surpassed your kids playing ability . Its just so idiotic that you are okay with 8th graders being brought up but not 7th graders as if something magical happens to all these athletes between those two grades.

Wow your kid is going to be on a D1 lax team, big deal, no one cares. By the way Northport is bringing a kid up from 7th grade this season. Stop be jealous of these 7th graders that have already surpassed your kids playing ability . Its just so idiotic that you are okay with 8th graders being brought up but not 7th graders as if something magical happens to all these athletes between those two grades.

I don't follow girls lacrosse as closely as I would like. But I do have to say LY I have seen a few girls that fit the bill of 7th graders ready to play JV and be pulled up for playoffs or the mid season.

There are a handful of these girls and some are thick and some are thin. Jut as Seniors have both thick and thin frames. Stop saying size. It is ability at the level and safety of the child.

I said it on the boys side and the same applies to the girls side. Having some of these girls play MS is against MS sports policy why or how because it gives that team an unfair advantage. MS is supposed to be a level field. MS is still developmental. If a child has the aptitude and skill that player belongs on the HS team. Not saying Varsity but JV and then maybe get pulled up. what is so wrong about that.

Pulling a 7th grader to JV is compared (not the same compared) to pulling a sophomore to Varsity.

"Having some of these girls play MS is against MS sports policy why or how because it gives that team an unfair advantage."

Huh? MS sports are for seventh and eighth graders. Are you saying they shouldn't be able to play at their age level and with their friends because they're too good? Now I've heard everything.

You are a dangerously stupid parent! By rule Girls lax is non contact, but it is very physical, and contact happens all the time. I have seen girls break legs, hands from checks, get cross checked to the throat, get laid out on the crease etc..As far as teams you little 7th grader couldn't play against Mc Donough, G.C., Manhasset, Northport, F-Dale, Sayville, St anthony's, Vero Beach, Amongst others would physically maul your kid. As far as laughing at me , I told you our kids will play this year, I'll let you know when it's done. I truly hope you don't think A few 7th graders are going to make RIVERHEAD a competitive team all of a sudden? Take some advice, shut your mouth now before you look even more foolish. This board has a long memory and your too new and stupid to this game to be shooting your mouth off. Their are lots of girls on lots of teams that have put in twice as many years playing this game than your kid, your little girl is not unique to lacrosse.


Again you make it way to easy to make you look like the dumb [lacrosse] you are. First I am not from Riverhead but it shows a lot about your character when you talk about looking forward to playing a team that is still new and non-competitive, lets just say again your kid is obviously not an elite player. Next you mention Farmingdale and Northport , ask their head coaches if they would bring up a 7th grader if they thought she deserved it, I know for a fact they would, can you say Courtney Fortunato. The other teams you talk about 99 percent of Long Island teams will not play. So transparent your kid is borderline varsity and you are worried about some 7th grader displacing her, tell her to work harder.

Yes THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING!!!
No player should dominate a field/court in any MS sport. Those players are the players that should be moved up. Test or not. Keeping some of these type of players in the MS ranks is dangerous in itself.

There is a 7th grade boy that if his HS doesn't move him up can seriously hurt a goalie with his shot. His school district would be irresponsible, libel even, if they decided to not push him up. But in the boys game you can hit the goalie without penalty - girls is different you cant hit the goalie (or not supposed to) but there are those few (and that is what we are argueeing over) not the norm that should be moved up

The selection classification notes this!

Wow your kid is going to be on a D1 lax team, big deal, no one cares. By the way Northport is bringing a kid up from 7th grade this season. Stop be jealous of these 7th graders that have already surpassed your kids playing ability . Its just so idiotic that you are okay with 8th graders being brought up but not 7th graders as if something magical happens to all these athletes between those two grades.

Courtney Fortunato was not on varsity as a 7th grader, Dene (Hopkins) also played middle school lacrosse in 7th grade.