BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Boys 2023 Fall 2014/Summer 2015

If you practice all winter as a team and in the spring your kids still lose, find a better team and more specifically another coach.

After completing several fall tournaments, how would you rank the teams in the 2023 bracket? We'll find out more in the spring, of course, but were there any teams that have improved or surprised anyone?

Thats a simple view. At this age a team with two or three studs can and will take over a game and win. That does not mean they are a great team or they have a great coach. Losing after practicing all winter happens. How good are the athletes? If you practice all winter and do not IMPROVE move on. Winning and losing is not the only barometer. If it is the one you use with 4th grade lacrosse you are a tool. Teams will change dramatically as more come out for travel. A coach that you enjoy and teaches should be much more important than winning this spring

Bandits, Honey Badgers, Manhasset 32 are the best.
Major improvements are ICON Orange, andLegacy.
Downgrades are Outlaws and True Blue.

WHO GIVES A [lacrosse]...THEY ARE IN 4TH GRADE...DUMBA$$ GET YOU KID A TUTOR..BECAUSE WITH YOU AS A FATHER HE IS GONNA NEED ONE...LETS THE KIDS PLAY AND HAVE FUN..WHO CARES ABOUT RANKINGS..YOUR CHILD WILL BE IN MIDDLE SCHOOL IN 2 YEARS. SCHOOL IS IMPORTANT, RANKINGS ARE NOT

I do. And so does my son. We want to know who the competition is going to be come spring time. Sports are competitive. If that's a problem for you, put your kid in dance.

[quote=Anonymous]WHO GIVES A [lacrosse]...THEY ARE IN 4TH GRADE...DUMBA$$ GET YOU KID A TUTOR..BECAUSE WITH YOU AS A FATHER HE IS GONNA NEED ONE...LETS THE KIDS PLAY AND HAVE FUN..WHO CARES ABOUT RANKINGS..YOUR CHILD WILL BE IN MIDDLE SCHOOL IN 2 YEARS. SCHOOL IS IMPORTANT, RANKINGS ARE NOT [/quot

Holy crap, relax. Are you really that Ango?

Maybe he is mad because his kid got cut from the better teams or improving teams, or maybe he is mad because his kid is on one of the downgraded teams!

Easy there Captain Caps-Lock. Some parents are interested in this. No one sent you a text to see how you felt or directly included you. If you're so outraged then you should probably do some crunches or hit a heavy bag. You freak.

Thanks Mr Lacrosse - tell me how you get your knowledgeable conclusion on 4th grade fall lacrosse. ......jeeeze get a grip

The cap lock guy is right. Who cares about rankings. Play the games and all the rest will be fine. They are in 4th grade. Rankings mean nothing In lax only in school. You people are the crazy ones worried how your kids team will match up next to another.

You're all a bunch of suckers. It's the coaches and owners who post how great their team is.

Don't try selling that I don't care about which team is better. If you are on this site then yes you do care about rankings. I guess the guy who ranked the teams left your son's team off his list.

You nailed it. 100%

These are not even really rankings. They are people's opinions. It's great entertainment. If you want real rankings take it from myhockeyrankings.com. See below. There is a formula that has to be done not peoples opinion. Try and have one of you gurus apply it to lax. Merry Christmas.




We receive emails weekly asking some variation of the questions, "why is my team ranked number x?" The answer is always the same, it's because of who you have played (SCHED) and how well you have done against that competition (AGD). It is that simple, but in a few instances teams may not be ranked properly because of error(s) in their list of recorded game scores. In this Did You Know, we will take a look at a team's rating/ranking from the perspective of the Math Page and how to identify possible errors.

First, let's be clear about where you can find the math page. The math page is accessed by clicking on the team details icon ()in the details column to the far right of every ranked/listed team. Once you click this and reach the team information page, you will see a table of game scores at the bottom of the page. Starting with the 2013-14 season, there are three tabs at the top of the scores box. The default/first tab is the simple listing of all the game scores. The second tab is the "Rating Math" tab, or what MYHockey refers to as the "Math Page". The third tab is the Last 10 Math page which shows you a modified version of the math page specific to a team's last ten games.

Who you play is essentially your strength of schedule. Mathematically, this is the average rating of each of your opponents. Assuming that your team has not had any games updated or deleted since the last weekly update, the SCHED is clearly displayed on the math page and is the bottom cell under "Opp Rating". This number should match your team's SCHED as found on the rankings page. If the number seems lower than it should be, I'd strongly encourage you to review all of your opponents and their ratings. It is possible that your game has been input against a weaker team from the club you played. For example, you may have played a club's "AA" team, but the game is entered against their "A" level team. Identifying the wrong opponent will not only make your team's rating incorrect, it might impact your entire league/division.

How well you do against your opponent is translated into your team's average goal differential or AGD. Using a maximum goal differential of +/- seven (7) for any single game, AGD is simply the average goal differential of all of your games. This column is found just to the left of the SCHED or Opp Rating column on the Math page and should once again match the number found in the rankings unless your team has had one or more game scores correction/removed since the last weekly update.

Your team's rating for any single game can be (and is) computed on the Math page. The Points column tells you how rating points your team earned for a given game and the +/- column tells you how much better or worse than your rating that performance was. In theory, all the +/- numbers average out to 0.00, but with rounding there can be a small residual number in this column at the bottom. You are encouraged to look through your games, especially at games were your team performed +/- 2.00 or more. These may have simply been good or bad performances, but it is also possible that these are games where your opponent has been incorrectly identified.

Let's say that you remember attended and remember a game your team played and thought it one or your team's better games, but you have a large (more than 2.00) negative number in the +/- column. As I indicated previously, this is a candidate for an erroneously identified opponent. If, by looking at the game, you know that the opponent is properly identified, not further research is needed, but if you are not sure, here is my suggestion. Click on the opponent's name. This will bring you to the opponent's team information page. Once there, see if there is a team website listed. If so, I encourage you to go to the team website and see if you can find any evidence of the game score or schedule being posted on the team website. Some team websites contain none of this information, but you are simply looking for anything that either positively confirms this is the correct opponent or pretty clearly indicates that the team played someone else at the same time or was in a completely different city on that day. If there is no team website listed and the team is part of a larger association as identified by MYHockey, then you will see the association name which is a link to the association information page. Click the link taking you to this page. Now see if you see additional teams at the age level you played. Virtually all associations have a website in MYHockey were you can then go and check out to see if you can find any additional information from the club website. Assuming you can't find any team schedules, there is one more trick we employ to try to ascertain the exact identity of an opponent. If you have access to the scoresheet from the game, you will have access to the opponent's head coaches name. Most association websites list their team coaches. You can try to use this information to match your exact opponent.

MYHockey has been doing the above research for more than a decade. Sometimes it is easy to find and confirm and opponent and sometimes we spend 30 minutes chasing a lot of dead ends. It's not always easy for a variety of reasons, but we encourage you to start with the above steps if you truly believe your team's rating/ranking is wrong. The Math page can be your jumping off point to researching potential issues and we encourage you to use it as such.

One last note on the subject. Your MYHockey rating/rankings is not typically a reflection of your team's best games this season. It is a mathematically computed average performance rating for all of your games. This includes both your best and worst performances of the season. For almost 99% of you, you will find opponents that you beat ranked higher than you and teams that you lost to ranked below you. Those things happen to virtually every team. Remember that you team rating/ranking is an average and will not reflect only your best performances.

2023 South Shore Thunder Town/Travel belongs in the top 3! They have begun there winter training and will be very competitive this year.

Just set up a round robin. Invite your top 4

You are high!
Will they even win games in the B brackets? That is one team that I know that the Wolfpack would beat soundly.
That winter training had better be good or the above let will be the dumbest of the year!

"Their" winter training.... Please.

The alarmingly bad grammar is near epidemic levels on this site. They are more concerned where their 4th grade kid's travel team is ranked. Let's hope their kids have above average teachers.

Did they even play in any fall tournaments?

No, but they have begun training. Better watch out...they have figured out the secret.

Grab a few hold backs?

They still will not win, the original post must have been a joke. This discussion is just silly.

Nope! They just enter town tournaments as Bellmore/Merrick! They are a joke!

And not a funny joke, unfortunately.

How many of you have your boys in winter training (in addition to his team's weekly practice, if they're doing that)? I'm wondering if that's too much or just enough? Is his team in a winter league?

There are a solid town team...could never compete vs the Bandits, Badgers, Outlaws, Warriors, etc. Solid Town and B level travel at best.

question:
"How many of you have your boys in winter training (in addition to his team's weekly practice, if they're doing that)? I'm wondering if that's too much or just enough? Is his team in a winter league?"

answer:
I have my son on a team which practices 2 days a week all winter and I enter him in clinics to develop lax IQ. He's been doing this for a few years and I haven't found any burn out, only positive results. Hope that helps.

Kids this young don't burn out now. It's around tenth grade that burn out happens if you want to call it that. I call it something that might happen. Every kid is different and because that is the age when they rebel they will use the term burn out and blame their parents for doing too much for them. If your kid is having fun and you get to spend quality time w him or her driving to practices and tourneys then ride it as long as you can.
My oldest a junior in college just left the sport this past year. It was fun while it lasted and honestly I didn't expect it to last this long. One thing I always told him and myself was that this may be the pinnacle of your lax career and being a pro gets paid squat to play your goal is to use the sport to create friendships and to open doors that May otherwise be closed. Enjoy the ride it goes quick. Talk to your kids now because in a few years they may not listen. Listen to your kids too they will tell you of its too much

Any teams playing in the Santa Jam?

Any teams looking for a good extra field player hmu w a pm

yeah, I'm looking for a hold back.

Held back but still not on a team? Hmmmm maybe another year at prep school is needed!

hmu w a pm?

Hit Me Up With A Private Message....

Obviously dealing with a 10 year old.

Crap, now I feel older than ever!

So are any of your boys playing in Santa Jam or that MLK tourney?

Who are these teams playing in Santa Jam? Never heard of them except for smithtown.