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I'd have to disagree with you - this age group has been playing together since they were 5 years old and had a regimented practice schedule that was run by a large number of dedicated, knowledgeable parents. They also practice on their own, attend camps, and play other sports. This group of young boys proved just how could LI lax is this past weekend when they went to Baltimore and won against a number of strong Baltimore club teams. So don't be such a DB, post your team and I am sure the coaches will be happy to schedule a game against you.

yes, we time them in the 40 foot crawl, see who can roll over in their cribs the fastest and who can hold their head up the longest.

post your town coward.

I bet if you asked the parents of the holdbacks if sports was the reason or at least a big factor in their decision to hold their kid back and they were being honest they would tell you that it was. Maybe it's not technically cheating because the school district allows parents to do that but it's still an unfair advantage and that's why everyone is calling BS on this academic development spin. And it may be the new reality but doesn't mean it's right.

You're calling BS because some kids are 2-3 weeks older than the majority, and the team they are on is very good. You just can't let it go. I can guarantee you academic/emotional development was THE ONLY factor.

post your town.

I'm in no way putting down the fact M32 had a great day in Maryland. Sounds like a great bunch of kids. But I don't know that I would read too much into it yet - from the scores, Cannons seemed like the class of the field and the Arden Diamondbacks - who were the class of the Maryland Summer field - weren't there.

That said, your 2021's had 2 big wins over teams with more established histories. I'd say the program has a lot to be proud of and LI should be proud of their showing in those two age groups.

PS - The quibbling over a few weeks above may be typical of BOTC, but it is oddly weird and cannibalistic of LI parents.

This is taken directly off the US Lacrosse website:

2015 Age Grouping Quick Reference Table

Birthdate Age Bracket
Born on or after 9/1/1999 U15
Born on or after 9/1/2001 U13
Born on or after 9/1/2003 U11
Born on or after 9/1/2005 U9

If you play in age-based tournament or a "graduation year" tournament and violate the above then you're a cheater, if you play within the US Lacrosse rules it's all good!

Ok, so my son is an October baby and we did NOT hold him back because at the time he was ready for school and we followed our school age guidelines. Now that he is playing lax (because really all other sports go by age) if we were to do it all again knowing what we know now we might have held him and it has nothing to do with academics.(He does well in school) It is a huge advantage when the kids are a year older playing in the younger grades but if you listen to parents when they talk about those "older babies" they do have an asterisk that will forever follow them on the playing fields.....

The average age right now of a 5th grader is probably about 10 and 1/2. A kid born in Oct. or Nov. 2003 is 11. That's a 6 month difference. It matters at these young ages.

rankings for what? college recruiters. I think not. get over yourself. what is so empty on your life that this is what makes your day. ranking 10 year olds. I'm sorry 11 years olds and don't forget the 12 year old. but who is really counting. very sad life you have. and I'm probably on your team. I will be watching the mad smart phone writing his pathetic posts the next time we are on the field. don't think your gig isn't up. you gave yourself away a few pages ago.

regimented, huh. at 5. wow. do you all realize how ridiculous you all sound.

I don't think when the rules were made they thought there would be rampant hold backs but as long as someone is jumping off a bridge others will follow.

if you are on 91 smash and not playing regularly, what do you have. oh, yes, you can brag about being ranked number 1. the story ends there.

No need to post my town, this Manhasset 32 team is a TRAVEL Lacrosse program. My son plays on grade and had been playing up for a top program, that is all you need to know.

You want to lie about the ages, you want to lie about where all the kids are from and then you want to compare to where I live where we have chosen not to play. Unfortunately for you the rules of this board don't work that way.

I think that I don't mind being called a coward by a lying cheater. Womanhasset seems more fitting.

You sound like a whining coward to me. You probably didn't play sports as a kid, or were terrible at it when you did.

Now you live vicariously through your son, "who plays on a top travel team". Pathetic.

The unvarnished truth was laid to bare. Nobody lied, and nobody cheated. That you are a grown up and can't deal with it is amusing.

I'll bet that you are so pissed because we don't have to play the game your way, sometimes travel, sometimes Town, as long as you win. Womanhasset - bigger, stronger, older.

well said. my son is playing at the right age/grade. he is on the older end of the grade. he is in the 98th percentile in height for his age at the last checkup. we play teams where half the team is taller, sometimes a head taller. that doesn't add up.

unvarnished, huh, wow. says who, you?

right. and you can cheat on your taxes playing by the rules too. what is your point

Moynihan....is that you?

not a parent of holdback but I'm taking every deduction off my taxes allowable by law. just saying

Nobody lied about ages, and all of these kids were born after September 1st, 2003 (I would guess out of the 22 kids on the roster 19 at least are born after January 1, 2004 if that makes you feel any better). The entire team currently lives in the town of Manhasset. The team plays in town tournaments but can also take its show on the road and beat/compete with travel teams, a luxury you obviously can't afford based on where you live. Too bad, but from re-reading all of your posts, it's obvious that you are just jealous. Facts are stubborn things: all the kids are age appropriate, all the kids live in Manhasset and the team is successful.

Of course, how did you guess?

The threads for girls lax don't have debates over age/holdbacks/reclassed kids...

because dads live vicariously through their sons not daughters

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Right, you're "just saying", but not saying what town you're from. So silly. If the team benched the "holdbacks", they would still compete at a high level.

Affluent town, good at lax...but yeah, I know, stepfords that cheat and lie. Get over yourselves already. You love to hate.

No rules broken, no lies told. Just a solid group of kids that are all friends and neighbors. I know, it just drives you nuts. Whatever. Youth lax. 90% of these kids won't play after high school.

Express headed to maryland in a few weeks

Mostly they will stop playing because the age and size advantage you give them now by cheating will disappear when they get to high school and beyond. All the affluence and phoney caring will, despite your best efforts, not be enough to stop the little voice inside the kids heads that tells them they were not doing it the right way. Worse, they will know that you took away their chance for true athletic achievement. Hopefully, they will blame you, their parents, and not the other kids. You all know that "you reap what you sow" and the kids know it too.

Express 2022-1? Hope not. A lot to ask around the holidays. Here we go with MC and his communication skills. I'm sure he will let everyone know that week.

Mostly they will stop playing because the age and size advantage you give them now by cheating will disappear when they get to high school and beyond. All the affluence and phoney caring will, despite your best efforts, not be enough to stop the little voice inside the kids heads that tells them they were not doing it the right way. Worse, they will know that you took away their chance for true athletic achievement. Hopefully, they will blame you, their parents, and not the other kids. You all know that "you reap what you sow" and the kids know it too.

Got it. Thanks for sharing Mr. Coward. Your opinion means the world. Good luck against those dirty rotten scoundrels in Womanhasset.

Your bordering on "CREEPY" dude! There are other things in the world. My lord! It's a club team and your not in the club Wah! Btw there's a million reasons kids stop playing ball.

Express, Cannons, Diamondbacks, and Hawks.

There should be a lot of great games.

99% of the parents that kids are 2022 don't give a crap about Manhasset!! You idiots/ 1% need to create a Manhasset haters thread ,talk about taxes and hold backs!! move on all ready ,hope to see all these so called top teams play eachother this spring/summer until then none of this matters

couldn't agree more

Let us know how it goes. Vegas odds makers have Express going 0-3

If your kid wants to be good, he will do what he has to do to be good. Even if there are kids that are a year older than him on the field. And he will be proud that he did was not a holdback and that he earned it. And you will be proud for teaching him to earn it. Stick to your guns, don't be bullied, and your kid will have success. He will never doubt how he got where he is, he will never think a shortcut is the answer. He will not feel entitled to find a loophole to get what he wants. Great life lesson. Don't worry about what other people do. Follow your own conscience. Your kid will be a harder worker for being "younger and smaller" (not a holdback) and have a clear conscience and a great work ethic. Not just an athlete, but a decent human being.

Thanks Mr. Coward. Moving on...

kids really are not that nice and neither are the parents - get over yoursef

Are you a lawyer? That is such a convincing argument. How is teaching your kid to have character cowardly? The real cowards are the people too afraid to let their kid fail. So they put them in with younger kids. Lame!