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"Then", not "Than". IVY?

Or maybe he just wants to work for a IVY grad. [/quote]

Could be High Point offers a major he is interested in, could be financial, could be the kid wants a life out of academics. I have a bunch of relatives who went to Ivy schools. Some are successful, two are chronically unemployed (one Yale, one Princeton). have no clue how to manage personal finances and always think they are too good for every job they are offered. At 40 plus still have student debt. An Ivy education not for everyone and it is not a guarantee of success, especially if you are miserable while attending. Be happy the kid left a spot for your kid! [/quote]

I'll have my kid take his chances in life with an IVY degree, You have fun chasing down a McJob for your son after he has an awesome lax bro time at Lax U.[/quote]

Thanks dude, my kid is attending a service academy. I'll take that education, life experience and opportunity over an Ivy, guess what so will most employers. [/quote]

The point of the discussion was choosing High Point over Cornell. Now you are suggesting that the service academies are better than High Point as well as the IVYs. Good luck to your son.

And the outlook for UNC lacrosse is even more dismal than it's pathetic past.

Can somebody please explain the concept of doing a PG year to get the kid's grades in order. If the kid hasn't had good grades through 12th grade, what difference does it make if he has a better 13th year? Does the rest of his high school academic record not count? Also, what makes anybody think that a kid's grades will improve dramatically in a PG year? There's absolutely no guarantee that will happen and if he continues to struggle academically, what happens then? Is he and the family screwed because the recruiting train for his grade has left the station?

Could be High Point offers a major he is interested in, could be financial, could be the kid wants a life out of academics. I have a bunch of relatives who went to Ivy schools. Some are successful, two are chronically unemployed (one Yale, one Princeton). have no clue how to manage personal finances and always think they are too good for every job they are offered. At 40 plus still have student debt. An Ivy education not for everyone and it is not a guarantee of success, especially if you are miserable while attending. Be happy the kid left a spot for your kid! [/quote]

I'll have my kid take his chances in life with an IVY degree, You have fun chasing down a McJob for your son after he has an awesome lax bro time at Lax U.[/quote]

Thanks dude, my kid is attending a service academy. I'll take that education, life experience and opportunity over an Ivy, guess what so will most employers. [/quote]

The point of the discussion was choosing High Point over Cornell. Now you are suggesting that the service academies are better than High Point as well as the IVYs. Good luck to your son. [/quote]

No, I was responding to "the you have fun…." I guess the IVYs don't teach reading skills.

Did anybody think that maybe the family could not afford to pay for cornell?

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College coaches just don't want young 17/18 yr old freshman. So they mature on someon else's dime and comes to them ready to roll.

If the family can't afford a private college that is the best reason to attend an Ivy if you can get through admissions. All of the Ivies have indexed tuition and most have a financial aid calculator which allows the family to put all financial inputs in the calculator and get a specific aid number back. And the aid is large for lower and lower middle income families.

No. Cornell has tons of grant money available to meet the needs of low income families.

So then it really has nothing to do with academics and trying to improve your grades.

What a college thinks you can afford and what you actually can afford are often different. High Point may be able to offer more generous academic money to a student.
A student may be average for Cornell and get no academic money and the same student would be very above average for High Point and get significant academic money. Leaving college with zero debt verus $100-200K in debt

You guys really don't get it yet, but you will. Grant money and aid money are based upon your income. For most people reading this board, you will not qualify for any free money based upon need.

You may get a few lax $ and perhaps a few merit/gpa $, but for aid you need to be very poor.

Say the family can afford 10k per year and say cornell also gave 10k, that means the kid is borrowing around 40k per year.

You really think it is a good bet for a kid to start off life with 160k in student loan debt?

Then he goes out and gets a job, if he is lucky, for 50k per year and lives in your basement for the next 5 years. People need to wake up and do the math both before school and then what the likely incomve levels are after school...

I'd rather my son (or our family) carry that debt than have a degree with no value in the marketplace. It's called an investment using leverage.

It's quite common that an IVY grad is making $500k+ 10 years into their careers. The $160k will be all but forgotten about in the long run. Think bigger.

Extreme and simply not true to suggest a degree from High Pint has no value. What if your son wants to turn around and become a HS teacher/lax coach? Is that zero value? Does that career path require an Ivy League degree? Academic money to pursue an education degree at an AE, NEC, MAAC or SOCON school may have a lot of value if you want to teach. A buddy of mine studied at Cornell and is now a cop. Great job, great degree, no justification for his Ivy debt.

It all depends on your major. An Ivy is great if you are going into finance, business, computer science etc. My son's social studies teacher in high school went to Cornell and played lax there. He is making what the guy/girl at the same pay step who went to Dowling makes. Nothing wrong with that, but it shows that the Ivy degree may not be worth it in some fields.

Sure there are individual cases where Ivy grads out pace non-Ivy at a significant pace. Your numbers are extreme and fail to cover the cost of the advanced degree. Most of your Ivy grads on Wall Street who are earning seven figures have MBA's or studied a technical major not commonly found on the lacrosse roster. Also earning an extra $50K per year to live in NY is not really worth it given the high cost of living.

I'd rather earn $150K living in the Southeast than $200K living in the Northeast.

It is also quite common that an ivy grad is making $150g or less. So stop suggesting just cause you go ivy your going to be loaded.

What's with all the vitriol directed at IVYs? There's a heck of a lot more right going on at that schools than not. Its a great way to go if you can get in. Nobody can say otherwise and sound like they have two brain cells to rub together. Just stop and give those institutions the respect they deserve. They've been around building generations of leaders of countries and industries since the founding of this country and they'll be doing the same until the end.

From WHARTON Site. This is an MBA with no experience... most will double to triple that within 3-5 years.
The average starting full-time salary for the Class of 2012 was $120,000. This figure accounts for all industries in which the Class of 2012 accepted full-time employment. The expected salary for a graduating Wharton MBA depends upon the industry and company in which the student secures employment.

Most laxers will require two years at Penn after their NCAA eligibility expires to get an MBA from Wharton. Undergrad/Lax at Penn is no guarantee of admission to Wharton for MBA. The $120,000 starting salary is in NY on Wall Street and is a salary you start earning at 25-26 years old, saddled with significant debt. You will have multiple rommates or live in a small/dirty studio for which you will pay more than half your take home salary. You will likely be layed off when the next financial downturn occurs. However, given the choice, I would prefer my son goes Ivy as well.

I am certainly not picking on IVY, but the jacka** picking on the kid that chose Highpoint needs to take a step back off of his high horse.

Not everyone wants or needs IVY. Most IVY don't go on to get an MBA from WHarton...and the schmuck that said that most IVY kids make $500k per year is clearly out of touch with reality.

Interview for Wall St every day and the pile is thick with IVY for entry level jobs. they don't have MBA and clearly no special skill, just another kid straddled with huge debt for the next ten years.

Let's drop the comparatives to Ivy, but consider this question:

Which would serve your son best as a job / career candidate, your in-state tuition university or High Point at $60K plus? I think that is the punch point....the economics of high education. The undeniable best of all words is a military academy degree free with service after graduation. After that it is value on a dollar. Any rational analysis of High Point comes in thumbs down except for wanting to play Division 1 sports. Middle Tennessee State has that too, would the debate rage there too if they started a D1 lax program? Absolutely.

I agree. No Ivy bashing but plenty of bashing of High Point on the last few pages.

I agree with you but there is one scenario that would make the choice to Highpoint a good one

Full ride made up of half lax money and half merit money. Then the kid goes for free and plays D-1 and get's perfect grades and then applies to the MBA program at Wharton...

Next they'll be suggesting that MIT and Stanford are also overrated.

I interview college graduates at a Wall Street firm, representing my line of business in evaluating candidates for the capital markets rotation program. Candidates will meet with someone from each LOB; equities, commodities, etc. After all candidates are seen, the LOB reps will meet to discuss each candidate and make a final hiring recommendation to human resources.

Never has the school been the deciding factor in the final decision. Never has an Ivy candidate been chosen because of that degree. In fact, an Ivy degree didn't give the candidate an edge. Instead, each candidate was evaluated on their educational achievements, finance related extracurricular activities, passion for the business, market knowledge, etc. Often, the non-Ivy candidates had a better resume and attitude. It always came down to the person and not the school.

Ensuring that your children are well rounded and motivated people is the key to their success, not the school they attend. Yes, strive for the best, always, but there are many factors that lead to success in business.

I hear the St.Ants superstars from princeton & maryland taking after their dads! $$ friars clinic anyone?? Chips of the ole block. Thank god my son never went to that $$ pit.

Nice to hear some reality. Thanks for telling us how many companies in this world work. And jeez. It wasn't based on them being a starter or how many goals they shot?!.

Good lord, finally some real world factual information about Schools and Wall Street. Thank you for your eloquent insightful advice, based in fact and reality!

Uhhh, regardless of your political leanings, the current POTUS is a perfect example of the kind of "leaders" the Ivies produce. The only thing this guy is leading is the destruction of this once great country. Further, the "Ivies" stopped producing real leaders 30-40 years ago. Since, they have been extremely successful in producing "followers" of the ideology they teach.

My IVY bound will leave the institution with zero debt as it will be paid by me. That is my gift to him for all of his hard work.

The concept was to use lax as a tool to get him into the best school possible. Period.

The advantage and ball is in his court. What he does with it will remain to be seen. If I could not afford to do so; I would have directed him to take the commit offers from schools that offer but a realistic small percentage of the overall costs.

Exactly how many High Point lax bros have you interviewed in the past 12 months?

Very good associate of mine was a two time national champion IVY grad. He got into our program based on his abilities ....and...at every interview he had; the interviewer was more interested in his athletics than anything else.

We started him at 350k. That was 10 years ago.

If he's so terrible why was he elected TWICE. And why will the next female representative of his party (Yale Law School) be the next 8 year POTUS? Can more than 50% of the country be wrong for 16 years in a row? Face it, IVY grads rule the free world.

Bam! Sign me up.

Hey buddy, unless you haven't been paying attention, the U.S. economy and unemployment has not been this good in 10 years. Hardly destroying this country. Sorry you've missed it.

Ivy degree put to good use! GO FRIAR$

Your son couldn't get in?? Believe me we are glad you are not a parent there !!!!

Oh yea. Here we go. My son is a commited to a top 10 school and is going to be a MD/PhD in 4 years. We get it. Good for him...... Better tey.....we dont have to listen to you bloviate on the sidelines.