BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Faceoff Petition 2014

I read about stringing a lacrosse head backwards as an idea, but think that is still going to be deemed playing in the back of the stick. My idea, and I am not a FOGO parent or lacrosse expert, is why not design a flat head? One curved to a rounded point equally on both sides at the top of the head, and no one way curved rails. Pinch down on the side strung for play and carry. There is no rules on stringing a stick, and if a stick head is cut to have no true "side" kind of like an uncurved hockey stick, then you have a ubiquitous head.

Just an idea. Have no idea if it sounds stupid or not to the FOGO gurus here, but hopefully it can work for you guys. Good luck.

I heard that, interesting.

I also have a question:

Why not just change the rule so the boys face-off using the front of the stick to clamp, not the back. Would that not eliminate the need for the back of stick discussion all together, while keeping the same skill set intact? Or am I missing something?

I heard that, interesting.

I also have a question:

Why not just change the rule so the boys face-off using the front of the stick to clamp, not the back. Would that not eliminate the need for the back of stick discussion all together, while keeping the same skill set intact? Or am I missing something?

Same poster again...my guess is that it would be hard for a fogo to pinch and hold a ball in the front of a stringed up curved head with curved rails. I am guessing that for the pinch and carry to be practical to apply, you'd need a flat head that is a ubiquitous design on both sides. If I kid goes to X with a head that cannot be distinguished on either side, there is no "back of the stick" for this design to disqualify the pinch and carry move. Again, just my guess and take with pounds of salt but it may be worth a try. Maybe try a crude attempt at home to take an old head, clip off the rails and melt the stick to a straight shape and have your sons give a try.

Like I said not angry at the rules, just don't like the attitude of the d-dag who feels the need but in with stupid comments. Go find another thread to insult people on.

After hearing the devestating news about the SWR football player dying following a head collision yesterday, I can't help but wonder if the new face-off rules are putting our face off athletes at an increased risk of these types of injuries. SCARY! Nice job rules committee looking after the safety of our sons!

Wow a new low, using something like this, to promote yor cause.

I don't understand the correlation?

wow, not cool at all trying to tie the two together. Absolute tragedy just occurred keep those affected in your thoughts.

Tasteless attempt to tie these two unrelated issues together. A new low.

Tasteless attempt to tie these two unrelated issues together. A new low.

Hey tool bag, you didn't write the post based on safety, you wrote the post because you think your face off specialist kid is getting screwed. Not nice man, period.

I think we may be getting way off topic. The rule basically re-instituted what was the existing rule up until 3 years ago. The rules never expected someone carrying the ball while stuck in the back of their stick (not cradling). No one else on field is allowed to do that. Why should we expect a faceoff to be allowed to do it? Because they got good at it doesn't mean it was right and the reason they were taught it was not because of less injury but because there was no rule against it. Was their a huge amount of concussions caused by this for the last 25 years (up until three years ago)? Is the risk same or more than someone catching a pass and turning and getting coma slide hit in crease? There are plenty of areas in lacrosse where collisions occur.

I think we may be getting way off topic. The rule basically re-instituted what was the existing rule up until 3 years ago. The rules never expected someone carrying the ball while stuck in the back of their stick (not cradling). No one else on field is allowed to do that. Why should we expect a faceoff to be allowed to do it? Because they got good at it doesn't mean it was right and the reason they were taught it was not because of less injury but because there was no rule against it. Was their a huge amount of concussions caused by this for the last 25 years (up until three years ago)? Is the risk same or more than someone catching a pass and turning and getting coma slide hit in crease? There are plenty of areas in lacrosse where collisions occur.

You gave the example of Panell hitting Pelligrino in the open field going after GB. Not even close to a faceoff situation. Please give it a rest already......

Now go in backyard and teach your kid to cradle, dodge, shoot, get GB's, play defense run up and down the field... and guess what ??????????? You will have yourself a full fledged lacrosse player !!!!

But would you agree that returning to do called "old ways" does increase the risk of head collisions? Don't we have an obligation to minimize this risk if we can? Of course head collisions can and will happen in contact sports. Just think we should not change rules to increase this risk. If that makes me a toolbag, so be it.

Here we go with the full ride nonsense again. People this is not football or basketball. Truthfully...your son did not get a FULL ride admit it. It's ok to be proud of some athletic $ but don't say full ride for lax. It does not happen. Especially to face off kids.

Ok, we have to pay room and board. Other schools have offered to top this but he is happy with choice and will sign letter shortly. FACT. Whether you want to believe it or not. I know other top kids getting same.

I don't think you're a toolbag. And I Hate the use of that word/phrase, especially in this anonymous field of BS.

That said, prior to 3 or 4 years ago, when the NCAA approved the new stick design technology, NOBODY, could pinch/pop&cradle the ball backwards! Not just face off guys, but now any player can "pinch & scoop" with the new technology, thereby eliminating the ground ball scrum. One of, if not THE greatest battles in the game of lacrosse.

For all of those young face off kids (even the ones being recruited), DO NOT worry. Keep perfecting your craft.

Show me the evidence of "old school" face-off guys getting a boatload of concussions and then I will start believing the argument.

Until then, which is probably never, you just come off as ignorant and self-centered.

The face-off moves to clamp & rake, or rake right away, or to slide & clamp, or to pop it when facing a great clamper, were all moves in the "traditional" face-off players arsenal.

The ONLY thing that changed in the last few years has been the stick technology that allows players to "pinch & pop" and then cradle the ball "backwards". This was NEVER the intention of the rules committee.

The "old rules" are still the rules. You cannot hit a face-off player coming in off of the wing position if the player is still scrumming for the ball.

Too late done by nearly 1000 so far, loser go cry somewhere else

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But you are getting academic money correct ?

Another FULL RIDE......Yea ok.