BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Faceoff Petition 2014

Not till 2016 season. Gives the boys time to transition. FOGOs will continue to spend as you say $$ money training and perfecting new techniques to remain dominant. I faced off back in the 80s this way and rarely lost. My son will do the same. His college coach is not at all concerned, his scholarship is intact and will sign his letter shortly for a substatial amt of money to a great school. I feel sorry for all the jealous haters that are hoping good hardworking kids fail. Like all bullies, you need to address the underlying issues that would make you say negative things about the sacrifices families and kids have made to excell at something they love. My kid is practicing right now, where is yours?

Personally, I'm bummed about this. The petition was a waste of time. My son has gotten very good at the pinch and pop and he's bummed too. The training dollars have also been a significant amount for our family budget and we don't have tremendous means. Ugh. Very disappointing any way you look at it, like moving the goal posts in the middle of a game.

You're thinking wrong. High school always lags a year behind college. HS already announced their rule changes for the coming year and this is not one of them.

FOGOs are and always will be the kings of ground balls!

What about the Catholics?

You can pinch and pop, you can't carry...

HS will use this rule next year. not this year. There will be no more pinch and pop . clamp and push the ball out to the wings behind or in front Ground balls middies
it is a shame all the $ and time kids devoted to fogo..

The FOGO kids will adapt. They are all great athletes. They learned a specific skill set that differentiates them from other players. That specific learning ability will allow them to overcome the impending challenges of the new rules.

I have faith that all of them will continue to succeed as they have aptly demonstrated thus far.

From A Dad of a D player who respects the skills of the FOGO kids.

Same here. Many people commenting don't realize the sacrifices many families have made. Sad that it can be taken away so easily. Guess that's life. Get screwed and try to overcome.

You can't pinch and pop because once you stand up with the ball in the back of the stick it is illegal. The ball must be immediately moved so that means before the player stands up.

The new rule is poorly written and ambiguous. I'm not sure how the referees will interpret it and not sure if the players really know what they can and can't do during a FO. I know many here will scoff and say it is clear, but it isn't.
In one sentence the rule says, ball cannot be carried or lifted in the back of the stick. Then, to clamp the ball in the back of the stick is still legal but the ball must be moved, raked or directed immediately.
What constitutes a carry? Does the fogo have to take a step? What constitutes a lift as opposed to a clamped ball being directed? If the ball is clamped in the back of the stick and the fogo is rotating his body around the stick while forcing the ball down on the ground looking for an opportunity to direct, the ball is moving, it that illegal?
Only time will tell, but personally, the fall may be an officiating nightmare and the players have no real direction.

They are not getting rid of faceoffs! So you cannot pinch and pop, so what? Learn another technique. Faceoffs wont be any less important you just need to adjust to comply with the rules.

Apologies to all. I didn't realize the change would become offical so quickly. I never got around to signing the petition and really think my sig would of been the difference maker. Next time I will take these internet petitions way more seriously.

I agree with this totally.
Changing the rules may force new techniques, but if the rules committee thinks they will make the FOGO less dominant they are mistaken, there will always be someone who is the best and wins 65-70%. It may be a different crop of players, it may be the same that adapt, but there will always be a "best" and be dominant.

Glad you get pleasure mocking kids that are upset and feel let down by the "system". Might be funny to you now, but one day something like this might affect you. So consider the remarks that you make are not at all amusing. Karma can be a real [lacrosse]!!

this looks interesting...

http://t.co/ouVOaDdpyu

Anything to not have to compete within the intended rules of the face off I guess......pretty pathetic

You mean the way you intended the rules? Thinking outside the box is what makes great competitors. This is totally legal so go scratch! And kudos to the problem solver!

Actually I meant the way the rules committee intended the rules. Great fogo's will still be great playing within the rules without the pinch and pop. The others will have to learn to play the full game of lacrosse.

pretty funny except that the ball would still be in the back of the stick and an infraction -

I think it is a good rule. So yes I take pleasure in the passing of it. I also take pleasure in the repeatedly proven futility of the almighty internet petition. I really hope the upset kids and karma don't gang up on me.

They'll just outlaw that too if it's not in the spirit of the game.

If this gets out of control, they'll just mandate that every head and mesh, stringing etc. be exactly uniform no matter what position except Goalie.

Why should the goalie not conform to the same rules as everyone else? Because they spend $$$ on training to learn techniques that help them excell? I say we go after the goalies next. Get rid of them, they slow the game down!

String the heads backwards. There is no rule against it. Frankly, the rule makers and governing bodies of lacrosse are such idiots and slow to move to react, it will be a year before they address it.

Nobody cares what you think d-bag loser

There is no rule against stringing the head backwards, the rule is about picking up the ball in the back of the stick. Regardless of how it's strung, the back of the head is the back of the stick. No official is going to fall for that trick.

IMHO. Carrying the ball in the back of the stick, and having to forcefully shake the stick, once, to get the ball out is unfair. Would it be legal in the front of the stick???? No.

Get rid of the motocycle grip. Go back to old school.

Unless STX or Brine comes up with a completely symmetrical head, not offset, where one can't determine the front or the back...and the stringing holes are directly in the center of the side wall (between top and bottom rails).

Wow, you seem really upset by my post. You can't possibly be so enraged by my support of the NCAA rule change. My guess is that you have a vested financial interest in gopetition.com

I agree 100%, goalies should use the same sticks as field players and the the chest protector is a super unfair advantage, how 'bout those over sized gloves with the wimpy thumb protectors? I do disagree that they slow up the game, without them scoring would "probably" increase and add to the number of faceoffs an thus increase the importance of the non-lacrosse playing fogos.

No just think you are a d-bag with a benchboy for a son, who comes on here trying to stir things up cause you have no life

Look at this two fathers with egos much bigger then their kids. you make it sound like you are losing the scholarship not your son. You both sound like 2 year olds. The rules are the rules. Move on.

Wow! you are angry. Just one question: are you using the red solo cup at home in the middle of the afternoon or do you go straight from the bottle?

Like I said not angry at the rules, just don't like the attitude of the d-dag who feels the need but in with stupid comments. Go find another thread to insult people on.

Nobody is losing any scholarships, all offers stay, confirmed today, letter signed in a few weeks BAM!! Rules don't change the great athletes, as silly and useless as they are. Now get to work on your own kids scholarship but don't count on too mush $ cause that was given to my son!

I read about stringing a lacrosse head backwards as an idea, but think that is still going to be deemed playing in the back of the stick. My idea, and I am not a FOGO parent or lacrosse expert, is why not design a flat head? One curved to a rounded point equally on both sides at the top of the head, and no one way curved rails. Pinch down on the side strung for play and carry. There is no rules on stringing a stick, and if a stick head is cut to have no true "side" kind of like an uncurved hockey stick, then you have a ubiquitous head.

Just an idea. Have no idea if it sounds stupid or not to the FOGO gurus here, but hopefully it can work for you guys. Good luck.

Geez and I thought you would at least say your son earned it and it wasn't just given to him because you made a nice donation to the school. Thanks for the laugh