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Don't consider yourself white trash just because you live on the south shore. Legacy does play a part into getting into the Ivies, as does economic ability, but what seems to get lost, especially to you Y.J. parents, is that S.A.T. scores and high school transcripts are the determining factor. As far as C.R. contacts to those schools, I'll let her record as posted on your beloved commit list speak for itself. As far as Liberty being a "lesser" club than Yellow Jackets, thaat may be true. What your club also leads the rest of the country in is jealous, angry, low lacrosse IQ parents that spout some of the most obnoxious statements, based on there Childs ability in sport that most of them have never played.

Don't consider yourself white trash just because you live on the south shore. Legacy does play a part into getting into the Ivies, as does economic ability, but what seems to get lost, especially to you Y.J. parents, is that S.A.T. scores and high school transcripts are the determining factor. As far as C.R. contacts to those schools, I'll let her record as posted on your beloved commit list speak for itself. As far as Liberty being a "lesser" club than Yellow Jackets, thaat may be true. What your club also leads the rest of the country in is jealous, angry, low lacrosse IQ parents that spout some of the most obnoxious statements, based on there Childs ability in sport that most of them have never played.

That's so typical of a liberty [lacrosse] parent thinking that the reason not a lot of YJ players go Ivy is SAT scores and transcripts not being up to their kids standards. Many reasons as stated previously not the least of which is not going to school with kids that have the same attitude as their snobby parent.

That's so typical of a liberty [lacrosse] parent thinking that the reason not a lot of YJ players go Ivy is SAT scores and transcripts not being up to their kids standards. Many reasons as stated previously not the least of which is not going to school with kids that have the same attitude as their snobby parent.

Yeah because duke uva hop gtown are void of pompous people.

YJ Nation, do not get sucked into this rat hole. The agenda is simple, find some area of perceived weakness with the program to put it down. As for the discussion at hand, it is ridiculous. Going to an Ivy League school is great, I went to one, but it is far from an educational benchmark. Depending on the poll, there are numerous schools ahead of some of the ancient eight. Stanford, Duke, MIT, CIT, Hopkins, Northwestern and Washington U. in St. Louis. That is just national schools and does not factor in liberal arts schools like Williams, Amherst, Swathmore, Bowdoin and Middlebury. You are also completely ignoring the field of study. Depending on the major, you could list dozens of schools that are better than many of the ivy schools in that area. Let's talk admissions at the Ivy schools. legacy applicants have a huge advantage. Harvard admits approx. 15-20% of undergrads that are direct children of an alumni. If you expand the definition to other family members the number can get as high as 30%. The answer is simple, money. Alumni donate time and money to the school. There kids will too. This is a powerful draw during the admissions process. Sticking with Harvard as the example, nearly 50% of their undergrads come from families making over $200k per year or the top 4% of households. There is also data that shows the richest 20% are eight times more likely to send their kids to an elite school than the bottom 20%. As for grades and SAT scores, as long as the coach wants your kid, their standard for admission is lower than a non-student athlete. You do not have to compete against the "normal" applicant. I fit that description when I went to school. More than half of the men's lacrosse team had no business at that school academically. So to YJ parents, be proud of your girls no matter where they go to school!!!

YJ Nation, do not get sucked into this rat hole. The agenda is simple, find some area of perceived weakness with the program to put it down. As for the discussion at hand, it is ridiculous. Going to an Ivy League school is great, I went to one, but it is far from an educational benchmark. Depending on the poll, there are numerous schools ahead of some of the ancient eight. Stanford, Duke, MIT, CIT, Hopkins, Northwestern and Washington U. in St. Louis. That is just national schools and does not factor in liberal arts schools like Williams, Amherst, Swathmore, Bowdoin and Middlebury. You are also completely ignoring the field of study. Depending on the major, you could list dozens of schools that are better than many of the ivy schools in that area. Let's talk admissions at the Ivy schools. legacy applicants have a huge advantage. Harvard admits approx. 15-20% of undergrads that are direct children of an alumni. If you expand the definition to other family members the number can get as high as 30%. The answer is simple, money. Alumni donate time and money to the school. There kids will too. This is a powerful draw during the admissions process. Sticking with Harvard as the example, nearly 50% of their undergrads come from families making over $200k per year or the top 4% of households. There is also data that shows the richest 20% are eight times more likely to send their kids to an elite school than the bottom 20%. As for grades and SAT scores, as long as the coach wants your kid, their standard for admission is lower than a non-student athlete. You do not have to compete against the "normal" applicant. I fit that description when I went to school. More than half of the men's lacrosse team had no business at that school academically. So to YJ parents, be proud of your girls no matter where they go to school!!!

YJ Nation, do not get sucked into this rat hole. The agenda is simple, find some area of perceived weakness with the program to put it down. As for the discussion at hand, it is ridiculous. Going to an Ivy League school is great, I went to one, but it is far from an educational benchmark. Depending on the poll, there are numerous schools ahead of some of the ancient eight. Stanford, Duke, MIT, CIT, Hopkins, Northwestern and Washington U. in St. Louis. That is just national schools and does not factor in liberal arts schools like Williams, Amherst, Swathmore, Bowdoin and Middlebury. You are also completely ignoring the field of study. Depending on the major, you could list dozens of schools that are better than many of the ivy schools in that area. Let's talk admissions at the Ivy schools. legacy applicants have a huge advantage. Harvard admits approx. 15-20% of undergrads that are direct children of an alumni. If you expand the definition to other family members the number can get as high as 30%. The answer is simple, money. Alumni donate time and money to the school. There kids will too. This is a powerful draw during the admissions process. Sticking with Harvard as the example, nearly 50% of their undergrads come from families making over $200k per year or the top 4% of households. There is also data that shows the richest 20% are eight times more likely to send their kids to an elite school than the bottom 20%. As for grades and SAT scores, as long as the coach wants your kid, their standard for admission is lower than a non-student athlete. You do not have to compete against the "normal" applicant. I fit that description when I went to school. More than half of the men's lacrosse team had no business at that school academically. So to YJ parents, be proud of your girls no matter where they go to school!!!

Game over, nice job. Only issue is it was written by an Ivy guy, lol.

An Ivy League grad who still cannot utilize proper grammar. "Their kids" not "There kids". Good grief.

An Ivy League grad who still cannot utilize proper grammar. "Their kids" not "There kids". Good grief.

what club sends more to Ivy's? Liberty

The funny thing is we all just accepted this statement to be true, as I look at it seems no long island club sends more players to the Ivy league than YJ and this poster was just ignorant. Former YJ players currently at Ivies is around 12, former Liberty currently at Ivies is around 7. So seems not only is your club on the decline but was never quite the only club sending kids to the Ivy league.

As a percentage of total players sent Liberty wins hands down and the gap will only widen as the greed continues and the new age groups have 5, 6, 7 8 teams! So much for "elite" and "select" players that they talk about on their website. everyone makes it!

As a percentage of total players sent Liberty wins hands down and the gap will only widen as the greed continues and the new age groups have 5, 6, 7 8 teams! So much for "elite" and "select" players that they talk about on their website. everyone makes it!

Anyone else thinking hgh to get their kids height up earlier to be the first 7th grade recruit?

Some of you pqrents are such bone headed losers , I just can't take it some times. Judging girls and their choice of college. You expose your self when you criticize these girls. Do any of you relize how difficult it is to get into any D1 program. Even with 106 schools, each taking 10 a year thats only 1060 kids. In New [lacrosse] alone there are 361 varsity programs, thats 8664 girls if you averaged each team with 24 players. No matter where they commit to, be it Harvard or Howard, it's hard to do. No one said every Ivey accepts only the highest SAT, or that legacies don't enter the equation. Just that on average Liberty sends more as per capita per club. As far as Y.J. hqving better playerss, here's a little math for you,

2015 year
Y.J. had 3 teams,
Lib had 2,
T.G . had 2
lets average 22 kids per team thats 66, 44,& 44
Y.J. has 53 commits thats 86% (very good)
Liberty has 19 43% (not bad)
T.G. has 35 79% (plvery good also)
Thats 107 girls from these 3 clubs, out of 930 commits total from D1, 2,&3 thats 11.5 percent. Not bad at all lets just thank all 3 directors cor their help and call it a day

Good Post!

Completely agree. The who is better than who argument just gets old after a while. Hopefully those 107 girls get to enjoy their college experience playing lacrosse at the next level and more importantly enjoying college.

How many "optional" tournaments are you doing this fall before teams are selected?

What's optional? You have to play all of them, you must keep feeding the cr machine, not to mention these are your tryouts, don't you understand that?

Now not only do you have to play Winter and Fall in addition to the spring, you now have to book your families vacation on CR's cruise in February in order to make the Blue team. What a racket, get you Lax players families pay for your and your coaching staff's cruise. For the 5-7 grand the cruise will cost your family of 4, you get a party that your daughter can hang out with
Their coach and parents can take turns buying drinks for the coaches and directors to better kids their butts and get their kid special treatment. Pathetic! This tops them all!!!!!

Are you serious about the cruise? That is a joke - correct?

So are YOU going?

Now not only do you have to play Winter and Fall in addition to the spring, you now have to book your families vacation on CR's cruise in February in order to make the Blue team. What a racket, get you Lax players families pay for your and your coaching staff's cruise. For the 5-7 grand the cruise will cost your family of 4, you get a party that your daughter can hang out with
Their coach and parents can take turns buying drinks for the coaches and directors to better kids their butts and get their kid special treatment. Pathetic! This tops them all!!!!!

Of course we are going, I am actually using my kid's college savings. It should be fun, hanging out on vacation with the same people that I feel uncomfortable standing next to on the sidelines because we all talk behind each others back. She won't need money for college if she makes the blue team. 97% of girls on blue get a full scholarship. CR told me.

Of course we are going, I am actually using my kid's college savings. It should be fun, hanging out on vacation with the same people that I feel uncomfortable standing next to on the sidelines because we all talk behind each ohers back. She won't need money for college if she makes the blue team. 97% of girls on blue get a full scholarship. CR told me.

[quote=Anonymous]Now not only do you have to play Winter and Fall in addition to the spring, you now have to book your families vacation on CR's cruise in February in order to make the Blue team. What a racket, get you Lax players families pay for your and your coaching staff's cruise. For the 5-7 grand the cruise will cost your family of 4, you get a party that your daughter can hang out with
Their coach and parents can take turns buying drinks for the coaches and directors to better kids their butts and get their kid special treatment. Pathetic! This tops them all!!!!!

You obviously are not a yj becAuse CR never promises or guarantees anything as far as college. Work hard and you will get noticed.