BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Faceoff Petition 2014

No I agree with him. Might get more attention then rule changes. Many people want to do away with it all together. Someone spearhead that petition.

"I'm going to start a petition that supports the face-off change. How many do you think would support that? Bam! "

Bam is what's going to happen to you when you start that position and we find who your sorry [lacrosse] is. Probably a loser whose scrub son rides the bench. Don't you realize that getting rid of a fogo will not get your kid any playing time? Only a jealous loser would make a comment like that!

Hey knuckle dragger, read closely if you can, the post was suggesting support of the change, not doing away with the fogo.

The issue is using the stick in a manner that gives a player an unfair advantage. Widen the head of the stick by a quarter inch at the mouth, and regulate stringing and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

THIS ^ is the point. Calls in the hockey stick curvature rule, "Stickum" on wide receivers gloves, plaster in boxing gloves,PED's, corked bats etc.

FOGO if it is kept as is; needs to be regulated with respect to uniformity of head width; ball retention with inversion of stick head, thickness of stringing used to narrow head width and possible other factors.

A stick check before, during and after games with a stamp or seal of the official's approval of the above parameters would satisfy me.

Then go ahead and attempt your pinch and pop all day. The best FO guy will win based on ability, and not equipment modification which we all know to be the case. If you try to state otherwise; you are lying to yourself and us.

I propose no more long poles, against the spirit of the game. It's cheating and needs to be stopped!!

WOW- you mean to say that if my 15 year old can win 90% of face offs, win every game for team, get noticed by college scouts, save me $$$$ by earning a scholarship...
Do you think he should train real hard... or just wait until all levels adopt rule change so he doesn't have to worry about all that extra hard work and stuff??

Please, my kid plays pinch and pop with off the shelf head from lax unlimited, strung by them. No secret formula, no special sauce...You think the 10-15 year olds are modifying heads? Not that I have seen.

So, I am fine with your stick uniformity proposal/regulation. If it makes the small percentage of naysayers go worry about something else, I am all for it.

I think something also has to be done about the goalie position. My so won 90% of the face offs in a championship game but the goalie saved everything and we lost. Doesn't seem fair. I think the goalie head needs to be the same size as all the other players. I'm starting a petition.

I have a serious question:

Did the rule committee consider that poles should not be aloud at the x if the new rule passes? In the "old days", before pinch and pop, poles were never seen at the x. Poles should only be aloud in the defensive end. what we will eventually see at the x, is two poles battling it out in a scrum, sloppy, disgusting, dangerous mess. There will be absolutely no skill involved because even if the ball is raked out by a skilled fogo, the pole will scoop it up. Having a pole at the x is an unfair advantage. Yet another example of not considering ramifications of an ill-sighted recommendation

How is it an unfair advantage if both teams have a pole on the wings?

How is it an unfair advantage if both teams have a pole on the wings?

How is it unfair to have a P&P on both teams? Same argument, perhaps you have a long pole?

All sports evolve and their rules evolve too. I like the proposed change.

In baseball they change the height of the pitching mound
In football they introduce 2pt conversion and are toying with moving back the extra point

I like the proposed change I think the facoeff play should require higher engagement from the wings, be a ground ball battle and results should be closer to 50/50 on a regular basis

Your wrong..played in the 80's at a top college and was on the wing for every faceoff. Get over your nonsense already.

The fogo position should remain exactly as it is today with one small rule change. The ball cannot be carried at all in the back of the stick. If a single step is taken with the ball in the back of the stick it should be a turnover at that spot.

This is a link to an online petition that will be forwarded to the NCAA rules committee to stop the proposed faceoff rule changes sign the petition support the cause

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/faceoff-men-unite-again.html

I propose no more long poles, against the spirit of the game. It's cheating and needs to be stopped!!

I thought the survey would show the coaches totally against the rule changes but it doesn't..so this is a waste of time to sign a petition. What are we going to decide the rules as parents and kids . Give me a break. All this talk going back and fourth means nothing but hot air from the parents who's kids are FOGO's. I understand being upset but it's time to move on.

The rules committee is acting like Obama, unilateral decision making with lack of support from the other governing bodies.

agreed. adapt to the rule change and move on.

I thought the survey would show the coaches totally against the rule changes but it doesn't..so this is a waste of time to sign a petition. What are we going to decide the rules as parents and kids . Give me a break. All this talk going back and fourth means nothing but hot air from the parents who's kids are FOGO's. I understand being upset but it's time to move on.

Besides the petition voice your concern to the the decision makers

Here is a link to the list of current members on the lax rules committee:

http://web1.ncaa.org/committees/committees_roster.jsp?CommitteeName=MLACRULES

Here are all of the committee members' email addresses:

Joe Breschi breschi@unc.edu

Robert L. Scalise scalise@fas.harvard.edu

Mike Hardisky hardisky@msmary.edu

Bob Shillinglaw bobshil@udel.edu

John Jez john.jez@liu.edu

Jon Hind (chairman) jhind@hamilton.edu

Josh MacArthur wmacarthur@babson.edu

Doug Misarti misartid@kenyon.edu

start emailing the members expressing the displeasure with the proposed rules changes.

Here is a link to the results of a survey sent to all coaches and referees before the committee met to discuss proposed rule changes:

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Supp_No_9B_Survey_Detailed_Breakouts.pdf

Here is a link to the executive summary of the survey results:

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Supp_No_9A_Rules_Survey_Executive_Summary.pdf

Notably, the majority of coaches and refs believe the current state of the face off rules is just fine. And yet the committee messed with it any way. That's a pretty powerful argument. Why change something most interested parties believe is working well.

Also, the potential for player injuries (i.e., concussions) due to wing men running full speed into the face off area to pick up a ground ball needs to be emphasized. Hitting within 5 yards of a ground ball is still legal. Seems to me the committee's focus should be to take head shots out of the game. This will create more. This is a very strong argument too.