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There are at least three D1 commits who left MadLax and VLC for their own reasons this Summer. Kids who wanted something else, not kids who struggled to see the field obviously.

That's a complete lie. If you look at the kids from BOTH Madlax and VLC who left, you are not looking at a total of 3 D1 commitments. Not even close.

Nobody said some/all of them "struggled to see the field". What you wrote is not true.

1 High Point + 1 Georgetown + 1 Ivy = 3. Actually you wrote they were not happy about playing time. You Crabs guys need to get back to wife beating.

Why do you assume that the kids left Madlax/VLC, rather than just guest playing for 3d in addition to their Madlax/VLC events?

No idea who the Ivy kid is, but the High Point and Gtown kids did exactly that. They didn't leave VLC...in fact they played at VLC's last tourney this summer after guesting with 3d. And they will continue with VLC this fall and beyond. You are very misinformed, or deliberately lying.

Guest playing? You are joking, right? Whether these kids actually leave VLC is one thing, but they were definitely contemplating it or they wouldn't have been playing for another club. Sounds like VLC is starting to implode.

Actually, kids guest play for other clubs all the time. Every kid wants to get in front of coaches as much as possible. You would know that if you had as much knowledge about the club scene as you seem to imagine.

Nope, I'm quite sincere. Go ahead, ask those kids about their club affiliation and where they are playing this year. Or ask any of their teammates. Surely you know many of them, since you are so plugged in, right?

As for your comment about VLC...clearly wishful thinking. Go online and look at where VLC players have committed in the last few weeks alone. A few examples: Duke, Georgetown, Maryland, Navy, UVA, Amherst. Tough when nonsense runs into facts.

You vlc noobs are so predictable. A few choice adjectives and you start drooling on your keyboard and citing the number of commits. Happens every time without fail. Strange you still can't win a tournament. You also neglected to mention that the majority of the vlc kids guest playing for 3d decided not to return to vlc. Speaks volumes!

Kids change clubs for different reasons. Costs, prestige, needs to be showcased. I personally know one of the VLC parents of a kid that left, and their son is a recent D1 commit. Their reasons were all non lacrosse related. Costs and too much driving because they lived in Maryland, siblings also on Maryland teams. I was surprised to be told they were all positive on VLC and said 3d was not as good a team but was a better fit for their kids. He did say Ryan McClernan was a difficult personality but ran a great club. That was the only negative. How is it that all the "normal" VLC people seem to leave, even if the reasons are not lacrosse unhappy?

Did VLC's 2018 this Summer have a lot of holdbacks? No slam - just curious . . .

Ryan McClernan can be very difficult. If Crabs started today they'd be nothing like they are now. They are living off their past reputation. That is what continues to bring the good players to them.

You Madlax dads are bizarre. You should be focused on the Madlax kids who played for 3D at that event. Somebody is about to get an angry email!

I think our respective posts speak for themselves.

Consider digging a little deeper on that "ivy commit" rather than taking what they've told you at face value. Might be surprised. Normal not the word I would use.

Not aware of any holdbacks for VLC 2018. Lots of public school kids so hard to see how they could have repeated a year...

Was referring to the post calling out "vlc noobs"

What, how dare you talk bad about my son's super important lacrosse team. Those players were guest playing.

Have I mentioned that we have lots of commits on our team. A few examples: Duke, Georgetown, Maryland, Navy, UVA, Amherst. Tough when nonsense runs into facts.

Is guest play a new lacrosse urban dictionary term? Like repeating a grade is called reclassifying? At least half these kids will quit playing club after committing considering school teams play club tournaments now and there are a lot of throw together All Star invite teams that kids can do 1-3 tournaments in Summer with. That is not a dig on VLC but a slam on all vlub programs. Give it one more year and you won't be seeing any of the best players doing club after Fall of 9th grade. We are already seeing that some. Clubs will soon be bragging about the commits who used to play for their teams.

Guest playing = guest paying

...or worse yet, the original players paying but not playing and the guests suiting up for a freebie.

How did VLC parents get to be this terrible? Did Mylan P. become your leader among crazy parents? Used to be such a friendly club for families in Fairfax County. VLC was never hurting to produce college commits in 2012 or now. Neither has MadLax or Blackwolf. Why the hate over a few kids leaving you club?

Very well said.

Nice try, Madlax dad. Nobody is hating on any kid who left any club. The only bizarre ones are the Madlax and 3D parents (to be fair, it's only 1-2) who insist that VLC is falling apart when that's a complete lie. Notice they don't talk about the starters who've left Madlax for other clubs, the kids who tried 3D and said no thanks, etc.

I'm speculating here, but maybe posters are only discussing VLC because it's more fun to watch you VLC dad's throw virtual temper tampers, stomping your feet, and pounding your fists. Quite entertaining and very disturbing!!! The madlax parents (or any other club parent for that matter) do not react with the same level of fanaticism. And no, I'm not a madlax parent.

Nice try, Madlax dad. Nobody is hating on any kid who left any club. The only bizarre ones are the Madlax and 3D parents (to be fair, it's only 1-2) who insist that VLC is falling apart when that's a complete lie. Notice they don't talk about the starters who've left Madlax for other clubs, the kids who tried 3D and said no thanks, etc. [/quote]

I'm speculating here, but maybe posters are only discussing VLC because it's more fun to watch you VLC dad's throw virtual temper tampers, stomping your feet, and pounding your fists. Quite entertaining and very disturbing!!! The madlax parents (or any other club parent for that matter) do not react with the same level of fanaticism. And no, I'm not a madlax parent. [/quote]

Three words of advice to VLC parents: try fantasy football.

Nice try, Madlax dad. Nobody is hating on any kid who left any club. The only bizarre ones are the Madlax and 3D parents (to be fair, it's only 1-2) who insist that VLC is falling apart when that's a complete lie. Notice they don't talk about the starters who've left Madlax for other clubs, the kids who tried 3D and said no thanks, etc. [/quote]

So in summary VLC is the best team with the most commits, kids guest play but never leave VLC, the only kids who are allowed to leave VLC are the lousy players who are unhappy with playing time, there is no such thing as a kid who left VLC who ever committed or will commit, parents from every other club team in the area are crazy and jealous and anyone who disagrees with any of what you wrote is a lying liar. And if anyone wants to fight, head over to the beer bash VLC tent at the next tournament. Thank you, we are all happy you cleared everything up for us.

Just reading through this thread and it seems like the Madlax parents started it by saying VLC is falling apart, etc.

Interesting choice of words, "...the madlax parents started it..."

To add to the summary, anyone ever disagreeing with VLC must ALWAYS be from Madlax.

I read the posts differently. You need to go a few further posts back. A poster, likely with no affiliation to madlax - but who knows, mentioned that several VLC kids left the program. Then a mentally deranged VLC parent started foaming at the mouth, quoting commits, blabbering nonsense about kids guest playing, bashing other clubs, calling people liars, and generally acting like a giant baby.

This behavior from VLC parents is not limited to the internet. Wait to you get a load of them at games! You will never see parents whine, cry and be bigger victims than that group. It's embarrassing.

VLC parent

Correlation for this stuff to the arrival of the Myland show is 100%. It is embarrassing, glad they are not our problem anymore and sorry they are yours.

MadLax parent

You're right. There is a lot of embarrassing behavior out there.

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

VLC parent, please give it a rest. No one cares about madlax, you are making a fool of yourself and our organization.

Crab Parent

Nice to see Mid-Atlantic parents are even more insane than LI parents.... Keep it up, it's very entertaining.

Yeah create a Madlax or VLC thread and take it there....no wait...no one cares, forget it.

No comments on the MadLax thread for months. Somewhere Cabell is smiling. Who is the crazy lunatic now?

Yes, it is. Put a Crabs sticker on VLC side helmets and whooiieee, it's like listening to your cousin with D cup implants who just married up. I love that nervous cringe when I ask a BLC parent if his son plays for the Virginia or the Baltimore Crabs. The blue bloods at BLC hate that, but what can they do? Friends you choose, family you're stuck with. This board is precious.

Not as good as listening to a Madlax parent trying to explain the emails.

http://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Alright, I'll bite. My son is 13 and a 2019 player for a MD club team. I will say that the "hold backs" are annoying to many parents and kids, and I do think there are some safety risks associated with doing this depending on the age group.
BUT...the hold backs are a result of the private schools here in MD and NOT because of the Crabs, FCA, or any of the other elite team in the state. The clubs have no control over this, and why wouldn't they pick up a player that tried out and is in the correct grad year class? There is a biased towards the Crabs, but let's be real, the Crabs are the destination of choice by many of the elite players so naturally you may see more playing for them. I've been to many tournaments, and seen what appear to be grown men running down the field on a 2019 team. LI teams, Texas teams, VA teams, MD teams, it happens everywhere. The whole MD vs LI thing is all bs, there are good players in both places and the fact that a team beat another team 1 year in 1 tournament means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. Teams change every year at this level and will for another few years. So, get over it. It's a fact of life and it does not look like things will change any time soon.

just another "lax bro" landon reclass gaming the system.

http://deadspin.com/why-rich-lacrosse-parents-are-making-their-kids-repeat-1570381983

In terms of holdbacks, you are right. You can't repeat grades in the public school systems because you feel like it, you repeat because you flunked a grade. You won't see private schools complaining that people will pay $30K tuition a year to them for four or five years depending on 8th or 9th grades repeated. That is good for business if you are an MIAA or IAC prep school in Maryland. The basic thing is people will pay $120K - $150K for a prep school to give their kids a better chance to get a lacrosse scholarship worth $5K - $20K a year for four years. Instead of mocking the kids, we should be laughing at the financial stupidity of the parents. I feel like fool enough paying $300 a day for lacrosse at showcases or prospect days. Paying $300 a day to a college program for a sign up prospect day doesn't sound to me like the college program recruiting my son, it sounds a lot more like a money grab. The king money grab is full paying customers at MD prep schools.

Agree 100%

The holdback / reclassifying is fueled by the egotistical parents of private school kids that can justify it solely on the grounds "because they can". Mathematically it makes no sense at all - but they can afford it! Tough for the U13AA player moving up to the U15AA team only to find out half of players from last year's U15 team are repeating. I would have a hard time watching my son abuse 8th graders when he should be playing high school lacrosse with his peers.