BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse

Come on TG. Many of you went crazy when you beat YJs last year. Some showed a serious lack of class. Don't try to take the high road now because when you won, you were not quite as gracious.

YJ top 3 teams in this age group are much better than TG, period. Time to lick your wounds and concentrate on holding more than 1 practice a week and moving some black and purple girls around. TG could have 2 very competitive teams but there needs to be dedication and commitment from BOTH players and coaches. Yesterday was the last practice of the season and FINALLY the girls all scrimmaged, too bad Shannon completely ignored them and instead gave a private lesson to a girl. Hoping next year it is not about the almighty dollar and they go back to 2 teams that will carry strong players.

Class left the building a long time ago when these two teams go at each other here. My two cents: YJ lorded themselves over TG for a long time, so when TG won the U15, they returned the favor. Now YJ is returning the favor. I wish everybody would stop beating their chests over this.

It's too bad that these teams had to fly all the way out to Colorado to vie for the championship. If all the top LI programs got together for one weekend and played locally, we could all save a bunch of money and still crown our National Champions!!

at least TG lost to a YJ team on age.. Liberty lost to the 2018's

Mom/Dad - thank you for your money and contributions this year. I assume at this time you will be moving on...best of luck to your daughter.

As a jaded TG parent the U15 results do not surprise me one bit. I think SS does draw talent to her teams and that's all TGs has going for it. The practices, indoor nonsense and coaches (minus one or two) are a joke. I admire MD teams, its like watching a well oiled machine, transition, cuts, feeds. So many passes ending in a quick stick goal you don't even know who scored it happens so quick. YJ likes to put the game on the back of big stud isolation players, same model as when SS played there. One or two studs and it is effective, just not pretty lacrosse. TG seems to promote same selfish brand. Congrats to YJs on win, I know TG can only compete with them in one or two age groups, the others are way behind. BTW this US lacrosse thing isn't drawing the top talent, Someone should set up a NY vs MD championship tournament. Add in MA, CT,NJ,PA, VA and what the [lacrosse] are we traveling to FL or CO for?

Listen, when you GO to a tournament, YOU PAY 1200 per team. When you HOST a tournament, you dont pay ANYTHING. All that happens is that, TG gets to tell parents that they get 4 tournaments a year and they are included in YOUR fee. INSTEAD of giving 1200 per team to SOMEBODY ELSE, BS gets to keep the 1200 (times 15 or however many teams there are). So, other clubs that pay the same fee per kid and dont host a tournament, have to pay out the 1200 per team per tournamnet, for TG you get to pay the same fee but the club gets to keep more $$$$'s? Got it?

To jaded TG parent, I think the biggest difference between LI teams and MD teams is the frequency with which these teams play as a team throughout the year. The MD teams are well oiled because they play a lot of games/scrimmages/leagues/ outside the summer tournament circuit. Many MD schools don't have MS sports either so the clubs have there own de facto league where they play each other frequently throughout the spring. Thus these teams build chemistry and familiarity with each other at an early age.

Could lacrosse follow the lead of soccer and create a '[lacrosse]' for lacrosse? I don't see why not. It would effectively wipe out PAL but everybody moans about PAL anyway so it wouldn't be missed. There are plenty of clubs at this point on LI to create such a league. Any takers?


A previous poster who was displeased with the last TG practice stated the same thing. The teams need more than a watered down once a week practice. Why are they not scrimmaging each other being that the same age groups practice together? And the fact that YJ puts the best players on the top team counts. After this season TG really needs to put friendships aside and rearrange black/purple so that the best 20-not 25, are playing together. Put them all on purple so the black parents can still beat their chest thinking they are the top team. Need to do something!

Why didn't the MD teams play in the u15 this year?

No, actually, they don't NEED to do anything. They have plenty of happy customers. If you're not happy YOU need to do something!

I agree with the first guy, they need to do something. Talking to many, many parents and it is nearly unanimous, everyone wants less players per team, please charge us more and do this! Maybe to only people who would want to avoid this move are the people who would need to move down.BOTC has the pulse of the people, people want this for the club, do it.

Get ready for a nasty response, they don't take constructive consumer advice well!

You don't really expect the coaches or BS to set up tents & make a grocery list for you or do you. How about this crazy idea get together with the other parents put together a grocery list set up a tent and help yourself. Believe it or not BS answers out a lot of emails from COLLEGE coaches, speaks constantly about our children to recruiters and spends time on the sidelines coaching what more do you want. He will answer any questions will call ahead to camps so our kids get that little extra look. Don't be afraid to approach him with any questions he will help you if you ask. He even attends high school games to watch his kids (Topguns) play. Stick with the program, believe in it and it will pay off. Just look at the commitments. Remember this has to be a joint effort with all parties involved to be successful. Play your part instead of griping.

You don't really expect the coaches or BS to set up tents & make a grocery list for you or do you. How about this crazy idea get together with the other parents put together a grocery list set up a tent and help yourself. Believe it or not BS answers out a lot of emails from COLLEGE coaches, speaks constantly about our children to recruiters and spends time on the sidelines coaching what more do you want. He will answer any questions will call ahead to camps so our kids get that little extra look. Don't be afraid to approach him with any questions he will help you if you ask. He even attends high school games to watch his kids (Topguns) play. Stick with the program, believe in it and it will pay off. Just look at the commitments. Remember this has to be a joint effort with all parties involved to be successful. Play your part instead of griping.

You don't really expect the coaches or BS to set up tents & make a grocery list for you or do you. How about this crazy idea get together with the other parents put together a grocery list set up a tent and help yourself. Believe it or not BS answers out a lot of emails from COLLEGE coaches, speaks constantly about our children to recruiters and spends time on the sidelines coaching what more do you want. He will answer any questions will call ahead to camps so our kids get that little extra look. Don't be afraid to approach him with any questions he will help you if you ask. He even attends high school games to watch his kids (Topguns) play. Stick with the program, believe in it and it will pay off. Just look at the commitments. Remember this has to be a joint effort with all parties involved to be successful. Play your part instead of griping.

Thanks for responding here Bill

Stop it. This has been my experience with Bill as well. No complaints.

On our team, we all brought food, share and share alike. A few families brought tents. We all spent every tournament together, huddled for shade, sharing food and fun.

I did spend time on a team where this did not happen. It was all very awkward and uncomfortable. You do need someone to step up and start the organizing and it's a team parent, not a club director or even the coach.

I really can't believe parents are complaining about no tent or food etc.. I would rather have the director focus on other things like coaches, calls etc.. tents, food etc should be coordinated by team parents. a parent on my sons team send around a link with what s needed and parents sign up for what they will bring. but for a tourney run by a program it would be wise to have one big tent for all in the program for their own tourney.

Why organize it on a "team" basis? When you have 15 teams going to a single tournament, why not organize it on a "club" basis. And, I am not comparing clubs or teams or talent but I do see other clubs doing this on a "club" level and NOT at a team level. I see clubs like Elevate that have tons of people at their tent, not just single teams, it shouldnt be that hard to organize. I think it would add another dynamic to the club and help build more of a belonging to a club and not just being on a team. Just a thought.

TG parents HAVE been complaining about coaches, lack of communication, favoritism, etc., they just get hungry sometimes

"IT OVER"- Maybe you should think about getting an education. Then pound your chest over your daughter's win. Do you feel better coming on here making fun of girls that are 13, 14 and 15 years old? Do you feel better making sure your win was announced on 3 different flights home in front of our girls. No doubt you should be proud of your daughter's team. You have a deep pool of talent. Congratulations on your win. You deserved it. But try winning with some class both on the field, on the sidelines and in public.

Is that the way it works at mitchell field and that other ridiculous CT tourney? You probably play 1/3 of your summer seaon against other yj teams...