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Good for Elevate. Nice to see another club getting into the mix. I have heard great things about this club. I know they have some strong younger teams as well.

That must come from a TG parent who lost to Elevate. I guess we will see what happens when they play again after tryouts. If Elevate doesn't draw the same talent how did the 2017 YJ team lose to Elevate this weekend? Also, the Elevate 2018 B team crushed one of the other TG Teams ( not the A team) this summer. That statement about Elevate not drawing kids is baseless. What Elevate doesn't draw are the psycho and obnoxious parents that YJ and TG draw. Best thing to do is to go to tryouts and decide for yourself - you will get a feeling where your child fits best. You will see the difference between the clubs at tryouts.

5th grade group is competitive. I know that YJ beat Elevate 3-2 in last tournament in playoffs and Elevate beat TG at National Draw. 91 is not at that level.

YJ and Top Guns should be the most competitive going forward Elevate doesn't draw kids like the other two programs.

What are the top teams for the 4th/5th grade girls? We are exploring our options and any info would be greatly appreciated. YJ is a possibility, but I have heard some negative things. How are 91, Elevate, and Top Guns in comparison? I would have asked on a different forum but the is none this age group.

That must come from a TG parent who lost to Elevate. I guess we will see what happens when they play again after tryouts. If Elevate doesn't draw the same talent how did the 2017 YJ team lose to Elevate this weekend? Also, the Elevate 2018 B team crushed one of the other TG Teams ( not the A team) this summer. That statement about Elevate not drawing kids is baseless. What Elevate doesn't draw are the psycho and obnoxious parents that YJ and TG draw. Best thing to do is to go to tryouts and decide for yourself - you will get a feeling where your child fits best. You will see the difference between the clubs at tryouts.

You don't need to draw any psycho parents! You have Dave . I saw his act screaming at the refs from the parents side of the field at National Draw.

Elevate has already surpassed YJ and TG when it comes to pyscho parents, their behavior at national draw was beyond embarrassing - starts with the directors and coaches and filters its way to the parents. That's why elevate was banned from national draw 2-3 years ago

That must come from a TG parent who lost to Elevate. I guess we will see what happens when they play again after tryouts. If Elevate doesn't draw the same talent how did the 2017 YJ team lose to Elevate this weekend? Also, the Elevate 2018 B team crushed one of the other TG Teams ( not the A team) this summer. That statement about Elevate not drawing kids is baseless. What Elevate doesn't draw are the psycho and obnoxious parents that YJ and TG draw. Best thing to do is to go to tryouts and decide for yourself - you will get a feeling where your child fits best. You will see the difference between the clubs at tryouts.

What Elevate 2017 beat YJ 2017.

This weekend Elevate beat YJ at the Rise

Looks like the NY club championships are being held in CO this year. Don't see Capital/Stars or a single team from MD on the U15 schedule.

M&D 2016 is 5-1 v. YJ 2016 Defo in championship format tournaments and 5-4 overall. All 4 of YJ Defo's wins v. M&D---including 3 wins in showcase tournaments---came in 2013 when M&D was missing multiple players due to injury.

That being said, I still agree, M&D and YJ are the two top teams at 2016.

At the Northern Rise this past weekend, several coaches (from traditional powerhouse clubs) were discussing this very topic. Essentially the cost to head to Colorado was too prohibitive. Coaches were hoping it comes back to Mid-Atlantic area next year. Florida may be out of the picture due to their new helmet law.

My post about M&D v YJ was my first post on this thread so I was not backing up (or failing to back up) the age argument.

I simply stated facts. M&D 2016 Black is 5-4 all time v YJ Defo including a 5-1 record in championship format tournaments. You can make whatever you want about missing players/injuries...they are what they are. But, they do impact outcomes.

Hopefully they will play this fall.

Dear M&D Dad, It's over for this age group, most of ours and most of yours are committed they will never play a full strength game against each other again. players from both teams will continue to miss tournaments now for a thousand different reasons..see you at the next level...

Sounds like it was quite a battle between these two teams over the years. One thing LI parents fail to mention (correct me if I am wrong) is that LI girls are allowed to play HS ball in 8th grade. This makes for a huge advantage going into the latter years of club lax. The earlier exposure to that kind of competition goes a long way, more than most realize until you see the strides made to the LI girls compared to MD over that one summer.

True. Agreed. But not all Long Island schools are allowed. New rule in place in a handful of districts: no middle school kids can play at hs level
In contact sports. You can even see the difference in those kids play once travel starts up again each year

My post about M&D v YJ was my first post on this thread so I was not backing up (or failing to back up) the age argument.

I simply stated facts. M&D 2016 Black is 5-4 all time v YJ Defo including a 5-1 record in championship format tournaments. You can make whatever you want about missing players/injuries...they are what they are. But, they do impact outcomes.

Hopefully they will play this fall.

Couple more facts , 2016 defo has won the past 4 out of 5 times they have played against MD. 2016 Defo has won all championship format tournaments they have been in , over the past year even when MD has been there. You are exagerating your 5-1 record in championship tournies vs defo. What have you actually won since middle school? I am glad Defo has shown who the best 2016 team is over the last year. I will give you MD was the best middle school 2016 team out there .

Sounds like it was quite a battle between these two teams over the years. One thing LI parents fail to mention (correct me if I am wrong) is that LI girls are allowed to play HS ball in 8th grade. This makes for a huge advantage going into the latter years of club lax. The earlier exposure to that kind of competition goes a long way, more than most realize until you see the strides made to the LI girls compared to MD over that one summer.

Something has to be done about the coaching at the younger ages at the Yellow Jackets. Or maybe it's the parents influencing their daughters to play dirty? The issue isn't so much with the top team. They are very talented and generally don't need to resort to dirty play because they move well and get in good defensive position. The problems start as soon as you get to the "B" team. The coaches/parents want them to play the same swarming, aggressive defense that the top team plays and that they see in college and better high school games. And yet they aren't talented enough to execute it. So what happens? Brutal cross-checks, swinging sticks, tripping, body checking etc. To be fair, it's not just the Yellow Jackets. Same thing with Top Guns. However, you don't see it with the Maryland youth teams, or anywhere else, generally speaking. Please teach these less talented girls how to play correctly. You are doing them a disservice and definitely doing the girls they play a disservice.

Sounds like you lost to the B team.

Something has to be done about the coaching at the younger ages at the Yellow Jackets. Or maybe it's the parents influencing their daughters to play dirty? The issue isn't so much with the top team. They are very talented and generally don't need to resort to dirty play because they move well and get in good defensive position. The problems start as soon as you get to the "B" team. The coaches/parents want them to play the same swarming, aggressive defense that the top team plays and that they see in college and better high school games. And yet they aren't talented enough to execute it. So what happens? Brutal cross-checks, swinging sticks, tripping, body checking etc. To be fair, it's not just the Yellow Jackets. Same thing with Top Guns. However, you don't see it with the Maryland youth teams, or anywhere else, generally speaking. Please teach these less talented girls how to play correctly. You are doing them a disservice and definitely doing the girls they play a disservice.

It's blue teams as well. HS coaches teaching 11 and 12 year olds dangerous defense, and unfortunately it carries over to their PAL season as well. Poor coaching, what a shame. Very dangerous.