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Mark Dixon noted this morning that many coaches think Fogos will no longer be able to carry the ball on the back of the stick when the new rules come out.

Would be fine with a 5 second clock on the pop out. My recommendation as a f/O specialist is to eliminate the set, like in MLL. otherwise the position is fine as is

Just so you know, he has been against the FOGO position for a long time, so to hear from him is not surprising. They tried this a couple years back and it got no traction...

To all the FOGOs, don't worry about this thread, there is no real information here, just people and opinions.

There are as many of you FOGOs as goalies, it is a real position and takes real talent even if some people don't agree. Stand together and make your opinions known.

For someone that doesn't understand how a lacrosse head works, they might see having the ball in the back of the head as an advantage. Having strung hundreds of heads over the years, I can tell you having it in the back is a distinct disadvantage, the ball can be dislodged much more easily, you cannot pass or shoot accurately which is why the guys typically pop it from back to front as soon as they have the space to do it.

If I were on the opposing team I would be happy to see someone trying to pass or shoot from the back of the head...

Come on people, wake up, what is your issue with FOGO? Did a better one steal something from you???

Growth of the game requires excitement and TV. This is the one battle on the filed consistently that allows for great TV coverage. If you want to grow the game, leave the Face offs alone and add an objective shot clock...the game will grow as audiences watch more.

So, if UNC thinks the rules will change next year, they would spend time recruiting a 2018 now? Come on, they have better things to do...

Most of the club teams and HS programs on LI have full time FOGOs at this point. Philly as well...

But thanks for your opinions on how to train our 5th graders...

Well said, agree 100%. Just a pot stirrer with nothing legitimate to say!

Dude, if you want to pigeon hole your 5th grader, by all means have at it! I think it is silly, but hey, who am I?

To the guy with the useless comment, please share your information, perhaps, unlike mine, yours will be useful.

Yes, people, some of them kids who have spent years learning FO, read this site. so if you have nothing better to do, go to the 2024 thread and tell them they shouldn't be excited about their kids playing lax...

You mean doing faceoffs and working on sprinting off the field.

What a jerk you are, ever think they like doing it ? Gets lost with your garbage.

Many kids don't know what they want at these young ages. SO putting a kid playing 10U exclusively as a faceoff kid is a terrible injustice to him ad his family for paying to play. What age is a fair age to do just faceoffs?.That is the question.

Yes, exactly. after practicing with top level club for 2 hours, spending more time doing face offs and sprints.

FOGOs are on the very best clubs, where does your kid play? Good luck!

by 7th grade the die is cast

I agree. My son puts in countess hours working on his craft. Yes he's a specialist and proud of it. This boy is D1 bound with a great scholarship. We are very proud of him. F/O training has provided him with dicipline and perseverance. Qualites that will take him far in life.

Another rumor about the upcoming rule. "Withholding from play" will be the violation for carrying on the back of the stick. Here is the article.

http://www.ultimatefaceofflax.com/faceoffforum

That is great! Congratulations to you and your son. I don't have a FOGO, but I think it is a great position and like goalies, the hardest job on the field...

Kid either wins or losses, can't hide in that role. Team down by one in final minutes and your kid has the chance to get his team the ball--or better yet--win the FO and fast break for the tying goal. Great stuff!

For those that think the position isn't fair or doesn't require a "true lax player" I guess they haven't seen a kid win the FO, sprint down the field dodging long poles and shoot at full sprint to score a goal.

Does anyone really think that kid doesn't have lax skill? Of course he does and from what I am seeing this summer, some of the FOGOs are the best athletes on the field.

Shouldn't your best athletes stay on the field??? That would be some injustice to these kids . I hope you are not telling the truth. Please let these kids play the game and not be singled out for one thing. Please !!!!!!

Life is about doing what you do best to your best ability. Kids that choose FOGO do so because they are good at it and make an impact. Sorry to naysayers, but specializing in HS as a FOGO is a great choice if you can do it at a high level.

Get many looks at the best colleges and will make an impact.

If you live in a lax town, you know the boys are playing from 2nd grade, no one specializes until 8th...plenty of time to find out what you like...

I have seen a 4th grade travel team use it and send the kid off after the faceoff..I felt bad for the kid and parents.

The committee didn't eliminate the face today like many fans would like but they did outlaw carrying the ball in the back of the stick which is a great change.

Well, no matter what side you are on, it looks like the powers have changed the rule. No more carrying or picking up the ball in the back of your stick. to me, that means the pinch and pop move that some kids are really good at is now gone, assuming the proposal is approved on Sept 8...

Me, I like the move and thought it added excitement, but others clearly disagree.

Not so fast, this was a recommendation. My bet is it will never be passed. The "powers" are dinosaurs. They need to evolve with the sport. D1 Coaches will not approve this. Committee tried to do the same thing a couple years ago and it failed then too.

Wow what happens to the boys who have verbally committed to a college? will the colleges no longer give $ to fogo player?

Again verbals are just that. The NCAA does not recognize them and they are 100% non binding and every day they are being broken by both sides.

It will be very interesting to see what happens, again I will say, NO ONE should be a FOGO before HS! Even then, it is a very risky position to play. Why not work on being a well rounded player who will have options to continue playing if the Faceoffs change

Perhaps you should write the rules committee and let them know that you have seen the future and no one should be a fogo...

The rule will not pass although I have heard they very well may agree to not letting the fogo have the ball in the back of his stick for more than 5 or 10 seconds..

You have any proof that any school has backed off a verbal? We would all like to hear about that as it would drastically hurt the program that did it. Kids can change their minds, but coaches will damage all future recruiting efforts by doing that. Unless of course the coach conditioned the scholarship offer on grades or sat scores and the kid failed to make the grade...

Again, do you have any proof that any coach has failed to give what he verbally committed to give?

It's called a verbal. Do you think any college is worried about you or your kid not holding up their responsibilities?
Please...happens all the time

My nephew was a stud vasity player in 9th grade and committed to a D1 program. That verbal was taken back by the coach 2 yrs later when my nephews game didn't progress at all. He basically peaked in 9th grade. This is just 1 example I personally know of 3 others all for various reasons.

Schools break the verbal agreement all the time. Wake up. it really mans nothing until you sign

It would help if you guys that have seen this share the name of the school and the coaches name. No reason to spend time with a school if the school has a history of withdrawing offers.

Thanks for the wake up comment, but I am awake and looking for info. This is anonymous site so your sharing should not be a problem for you.

the schools we have spoken with (ND and UVA) have been very clear on the items that could make them withdraw both based on grades and SAT scores.

If the coaches are lying, I would like to know.

People can just throw any name out there to you now and be lying so I don't think it's fair for anyone to do so...WWhat if I told you Duke did it but I am making it up because I don't like them. That's not fair

Well my son is a wcomitted fogo and we spoke with his coach about the proposed changes. Coach felt they were unlikely to be passed or stick if they are. Says the commitment stand 100% either way. My son is not happy but feels he can adapt if necessary. Some of you that come on here saying things that are completely false because of what reason I don't know, should find a hobby.

He's committed that he has the scholarship or just in writing?.People are just trying to give you a heads up. and if he leaves and a new coach comes in that he has to honor it.Think about it.

It seems that most people in the sport are in favor of the changes except for the fogos understandably. Nothing is 100% until the national letter of intent is signed in your senior year. If you son has done that than yes he has nothing to worry about. That is the only thing the NCAA recognizes.

Define most. Most comments I read by coaches were either neutral or not in favor of the changes. The polls such as in inside lacrosse shows the majority of people polled not in favor!

These coaches that are in favor of this change are all in favor if it benefits their team, for example the Coach of St Leo a D-3 Brad Jorgensen stated the following in inside lacrosse.

Saint Leo had the highest FO% in the country last year....and I love the new rule. FOGO's will adapt once they are done complaining.

Sounds honorable but when you look into his face off guy he is not a pinch and pop player (what a surprise),so this doesn't affect his team at all! if anything it helps

All of these coaches are not concerned with "the game" they are only worried about what is best for their team, just look at Desko at Syracuse once his faceoff guy started to struggle he started his crusade against faceoffs

At least no one is talking about getting rid of it anymore. Here is a link to the great Lacrosse Magazine article on the last time they DID eliminate it how disappointing it was.


http://www.laxmagazine.com/college_...ment_the_lacrosse_year_without_a_faceoff