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So would so still say Suffolk a "weak"? C'mon admit you were premature in your comment! There are at least 5 that canplay ball. Will be interesting to see what the next two weeks bring. At least we can agree on that!

Lacrosse is all about the coaches on Long Island... No question about it.

Not the players? Some terrible coaches at very good programs right now, will not name them out of respect, but they should stay in the classroom and be mediocre there!

I do not agree, you have some great coaches with no talent and some bad coaches with great talent and the teams with the talent will usually always win either way, you get a team with great talent and great coaching and you get last years WM, you get two equal teams and coaching can be a big factor. But by and large I would take a group of talented players over a good coach any day of the week

There are three variable involved. Players(talent), coaching and competition.
Last year the biggest change in variables for Ward Melville was the competition.

I understand but do not agree only in that 8 other teams in Suffolk A played virtually the same competition and WM had the better results, I think that players (Talent) is the biggest variable and way more important then coaching more then a few LI coaches could have taken that group and won but that same group of coaches could not take a 3-13 team and make them win.

competition = West Islip.

Ward Melville had the same coaches and a ton of talent for many years but could not get past West Islip in the playoffs.
West Islip was not very good last year and neither was anyone else including West Genny.

Good players produce against good competition. The political appointees pad their stats Vs mediocre competition.

Really?? There are great athletes all over the Island.... How do you explain year in and year out success of the top public school lax programs ( manhasset, gc, wm, csh...)??

Spoiler alert: clearly it's not because those towns (manhasset,gc,wm,csh) have the best althletes

Coaching, coaching, coaching...

... Any of the forementioned school's coach would salivate given the D1 talent at a place like Northport

What makes them good year in and year out is the feeder system. These towns have big youth programs. Kids choose lacrosse over other sports. You dont see GC, Manhasset winning baseball championships. One of these programs no matter who was coaching would make the playoffs based on the division and schedule they play. As for other schools they have winning seasons based on the kids coming through. Every once in a while you have a good class at a school you would not expect and they have a good season or seasons until those kids graduate and then they dissappear again for years. Good luck Southside.

Not so much the feeder system as it is the extra work the kids put in. Wall ball, having a catch with dad, club team, camps, clinics, private lessons and playing year round. CSH, Manhasset, Garden City, Ward Melville, West Islip, Massapequa and some others that is what the kids do. At the smaller schools less likely to be strong at both lacrosse and baseball but at Massapequa and Ward Melville both can be very strong.

Predicting Smithtown East beats Whitman 15-4 today. Shouldn't be much competition for SE.

Texas father sues son's lacrosse coaches, alleges 'pay for play' scheme
Published April 08, 2014
FoxNews.com
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A Texas father unsatisfied with his son’s playing time on lacrosse teams has reportedly sued several coaches under federal anti-corruption laws, claiming they extorted families in exchange for playing time.
In a 39-page federal racketeering lawsuit filed late last month, attorney Bill Munck claims coaches with the Dallas Lacrosse Academy LLC and the Episcopal School of Dallas employed a “pay to play” scheme for student athletes like his son Billy to take the field, MyFoxDFW.com reports.
"Through the use of illegal and fraudulent conduct, including threats, intimidation and even extortion, defendants have tried to ensure that student athletes who want to play lacrosse in North Texas have to pay for play and have to go through the defendants' enterprise,” the lawsuit alleges. “ … Billy Munck was one of the victims of this criminal enterprise as were many others. Plaintiffs file this complaint to ensure that others, including Billy’s younger brother — a high school sophomore, do not suffer a similar fate.”
The lawsuit alleges that former Episcopal School of Dallas coach Kevin Barnicle and other instructors at the for-profit Dallas lacrosse academy threatened parents with less playing time on their son’s high school teams if they didn’t pony up for pricey private camps and training sessions at the academy.
Billy Munck played nine out of 11 varsity games during his junior year, but did not letter and left the school, according to the lawsuit, which also accuses the coaches and Dallas Lacrosse Academy of breaking NCAA rules.
"Some of the better players were asked to replace weaker DLA players already on the roster, and these players were asked to board airplanes, stay at hotels and play in recruiting tournaments under another player's name,” the lawsuit reads.
Laura Hart, the mother of a lacrosse player at Episcopal School of Dallas, told MyFoxDFW.com she hopes the lawsuit will simply go away.
"Get out there, play and move on with your life," she said.
Munck and the defendants named in the lawsuit, including six coaches, declined to discuss the lawsuit, MyFoxDFW.com reports.

More of a factor than coaching is the strength of the youth programs that feed the top High School programs. All of the HS powerhouses have great youth programs that introduce the game early and develop players way before HS. Drive by the fields in the communities of the top HS programs and you will see the bustle of activity on any given day.

Less to do with the youth program and more to do with the extra work put in by the kids and the families. The best kids in the towns listed below are the ones who do much more than play in the local youth program.

--"Not so much the feeder system as it is the extra work the kids put in. Wall ball, having a catch with dad, club team, camps, clinics, private lessons and playing year round. CSH, Manhasset, Garden City, Ward Melville, West Islip, Massapequa and some others that is what the kids do. At the smaller schools less likely to be strong at both lacrosse and baseball but at Massapequa and Ward Melville both can be very strong."

Yea well Whitman had the lead all game till the end. So much for no competition right? The number 2 seed in Suffolk snuck out with a win against the 15 seed.

The only point of the game having the lead that matters is at the end!

to win 18/21 faceoffs and beat WW by one goal, have to think SE was exposed today.

Whitman goalie kept it close - played real well

Good game between WW and SE. Just shows besides SW those top 10 teams or so can go down on any given day. Seemed like the 2 brothers on WW really held them in it.

A win is a win!

All games are unique, it shows that competition is strong in Suffolk A. Great effort by both teams!

Never said it wasn't, but was it a contest? Yes. Did Whitman show they're an actual team that can contend this year? Yes. Let me know the next time a 15 seed puts up that kind of fight against a 2 seed.

WW should not be a 15 seed and SW should not be a 2.

Exposed for what exactly? They have a 5-0 record. Whitman is a solid team, not really a surprise. Upsets happen in lax all the time. Have you watched D1 lax this season?

Some of the best coaching in these towns is at the youth level. The HS coaches are already getting fantastic talent.

Take a look at who is coaching the top club teams at the youth, middle school and HS level.

Northport loses to Hills West today?? Things getting hot in Suffolk A! Love to see the GREAT COMPETITION!!!!!

How did the F/O do in the second half.

Does Npt miss Golden?

Hills West Played a Zone the Whole Game. makes for VERY Boring Lax, But Northport had no answer for it. I would say Hills west out coached NP

Not sure what happened there but that kid had a good year last year, I was at the West Islip game and I thought he was one of the better goalies in Suffolk 1

Golden was one of Northport's core players... Looks like NP coach underestimated team chemistry

Two top middies were out for Hills game and most of the season since Ward Melville game. Definitely has changed the team.

What middies are out?

Totally different topic here. I know the school season is barely at the half way point, but I was hoping to gain some information.
Son is going to a pretty good D3 school in the fall to play. Are there any leagues or teams he can play in to stay sharp over the summer?
He is my first, so I'm just looking for some info.
Thanks in advance.

YES, tell him to find out if any of his friends are playing in Cantiaque Summer League. He would want to play in the 6:30 league for just graduated HS kids. He could even put a team together himself.

Congratulations to all of the Three Village Kids on the Tewarraton Watch List.

Men

Ritchie Hurley - Siena
Mike Chanachuck - Maryland

Women

Kerrin Maurer - Duke

Did any of them play at Ward Melville?

Hurley played at WM - Maurer played at St A and I am not sure who this Chanachuck person is

That was clever! The misspelling also. To know the origins of the couple you mention, yet NOT know the #1 shooter on the Terps (#1 literally). I dislike many things about the kid's dad's organization, and we walked away from it. Was a great move, but your ignorance seems brilliant!