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Are you kidding me??
What kind of psycho follow kids from PAL days, and better yet, expects the rest of us to recognize 14 year old players as house hold names??

The fact that you're admitting spreading rumors make you Sound like an idiot. CHS HAS 106. But why do u care how many there were? Seriously, do you think anyone cares? This is the dumbest forum I've seen and won't waste my time viewing anymore.

To the guy that "hears of" 6 grade laxers planning to go to a "lesser" known Catholic school over taking chaminade Anthony's.... Do you Hear yourself??

Please impose a personal ban on your posts until these little group of self declared phenoms at least sign up for middle school tryouts... Fair??

I think many of the parents at both StA And Chami know who most of the top players are in their grades (some even a grade above and below). They have played with or against them for a few years now. I don't think that makes anyone psycho.

At this stage and level, I would call a parent that didn't do their homework irresponsible. I could be off base on this part but I also think that which school some of those top players went to factored on the decision of which school their player went to.

I see it now with the current 8th graders now. I have even heard a 6th grade team exploring options to go to a lesser publicized catholic school in Lax so they can over take St A and Chami.

A few observations to share with the board. The Hill played my son's HS team, and was impressive in a win. I watched Hill play two other games against top Baltimore teams, and today I will go watch them beat up on Landon.

Two takeaways from this...

1. Canadians are really good. Better than the Maryland kids and likely better than your LI kids too.

2. The Hill families are working class Canadians who don't and can't send their kids all over the East coast to showcases, prospect days, etc. They don't have a "strategy" to get their kids recruited and they drive from Ontario to Maryland and sleep in their minivans to make it affordable to watch their kids play.

Oh, and there were colleges at these high school games. They came to see Brodie Merrill's Hill boys.

Maybe LI and MD parents should be a bit more focused on being good and not getting noticed. What I notice is this showcase and other US based garbage is not helping these kids be better. Thr Canadians are better and smarter than us and the smart recruiters will figure that out too.

You can't compare the Hill Academy to U.S. High schools, especially public schools. These Hill kids are playing as a team year round at this school. I'm sure tuition is not cheap either, are all these working class kids going on scholarship ? Because if they're not I'm sure tuition is more than the $3000 It usually sets me back for a club season including travel expenses. That could explain why the parents are sleeping in their cars. This is why I don't see why some polls include Hill and prep schools in the rankings. The closest U.S. equivalent would be IMG Academy in Bradenton,Florida. I heard tuition tops $30,000 a year. I will take the $3000.

A few observations to share with the board. The Hill played my son's HS team, and was impressive in a win. I watched Hill play two other games against top Baltimore teams, and today I will go watch them beat up on Landon.

Two takeaways from this...

1. Canadians are really good. Better than the Maryland kids and likely better than your LI kids too.

2. The Hill families are working class Canadians who don't and can't send their kids all over the East coast to showcases, prospect days, etc. They don't have a "strategy" to get their kids recruited and they drive from Ontario to Maryland and sleep in their minivans to make it affordable to watch their kids play.

Oh, and there were colleges at these high school games. They came to see Brodie Merrill's Hill boys.

Maybe LI and MD parents should be a bit more focused on being good and not getting noticed. What I notice is this showcase and other US based garbage is not helping these kids be better. Thr Canadians are better and smarter than us and the smart recruiters will figure that out too.

wow good win last fall. you also are a non profit right? also your boys only play age based games. did the hill bring a age based team or a grade based team? youiare the best! right?

The Hill is a POST grad academy.

Some predictable "yeah, but..." defensive posts by the LI Daddies who can't handle anything to the positive about someone else.

The Hill team roster likely did have a few 2014s who were postcards. I don't know...I didn't Google research their names to Summer tournaments to get their birth dates because I am not fron Long Island and I don't care. I do think it is reasonable to note to you that according to the game programs the Hill's starting attack are all 10th graders and they do have a few 9th graders fostered. Unlike the MD schools thry don't roster 45. I counted 26 Hill helmets. Approximately 1/3 of their roster are 2014s...held back or not I don't know.

There are valid criticisms of Maryland and I agree with them. My son is in 9th grade and he is 14 turning 15 in the final week of thks lacrosse season. He is in his proper grade, and in the interest of full disclosure his prep classmates who play lacrosse are ALL a year older and two of them are already 16. I concur with this board that the parents who drive this mentality are sissies and are raising sissies. End of my analysis. I don't call it cheating because there is no rule against it but do see it as a pathetic cop out to have your 16 year old out there with 14 year olds to choreograph an advantage. College coaches who fall for this are fools.

I do think it is unfair to pound down on Hill's remarkable Spring swing success this year and just say, well that's a PG school, because that is not correct.

I was told by a Hill parent who does have a PG kid there for one year that it was for academic reasons. Yes, I immediately thought that was B.S...but then I learned that in Canada you cannot go to public school in anything but your calendar year class by law. So even if you are remedial or flunking their system passes you through. The only exceptions are for valid health reasons...a rare instance where a kid was hospitalized for months out of school. Apparently one of the reasons is financial, they don't want to add to school crowding with back booked kids. Thr second reason was they did not want what we have in the US...kids restraining back a year to have an ice hockey advantage. In Canada that would be blasphemy.

If LI kids are so tough, why don't you schedule Hill? I am sure they'd love to play Chaminade and others. What are you so scared of, that a team with a few big bad PGs will beat you? Or the excuses getting harder to spin? A San Francisco team traveled cross country to almost beat Chaminade last year and all you guys could do is make excuses that the game was only close because some of the kids went to Disneyland on Spring Break the week before. Pathetic.

Calvert Hall just beat Hill. With all this traveling, when do the Canucks go to school ? Face it, they play all year round and specialize in lacrosse. They essentially are run like a college program. It would be tough for public schools to compete. Let me put it this way-how many public or catholic Canadian high schools are coming down to play field lax? By the way, what subject does Brodie Merrill teach?

The Hill has 3 lacrosse teams. The Hill PG team plays a college schedule.

The two Hill HS teams are U18 and U16, and are therefore both age and grade appropriate, and typically younger than the competition on LI and definitely younger than the MD teams.

I suspect the Hill team that lost to Team LI last fall fielded numerous U16 players. That said, it was an amazing showing for Team LI. Everyone else in 2013 lost to the Hill, and in 2012 the Hill beat every team they played in the same tournament by wide (double digit) margins.

And the Hill kids play every game on the road. They live out of a bus and play top 20 national teams in the US consecutively in the same week, and then drive back to Ontario.

At least the top MD prep/HS teams agree to play the Hill U18 team. After the 2012 beat down, all the top LI high schools refused to play the Hill in 2013. Again, much credit to Team LI for stepping up and winning.

Some predictable "yeah, but..." defensive posts by the LI Daddies who can't handle anything to the positive about someone else.

The Hill team roster likely did have a few 2014s who were postcards. I don't know...I didn't Google research their names to Summer tournaments to get their birth dates because I am not fron Long Island and I don't care. I do think it is reasonable to note to you that according to the game programs the Hill's starting attack are all 10th graders and they do have a few 9th graders fostered. Unlike the MD schools thry don't roster 45. I counted 26 Hill helmets. Approximately 1/3 of their roster are 2014s...held back or not I don't know.

There are valid criticisms of Maryland and I agree with them. My son is in 9th grade and he is 14 turning 15 in the final week of thks lacrosse season. He is in his proper grade, and in the interest of full disclosure his prep classmates who play lacrosse are ALL a year older and two of them are already 16. I concur with this board that the parents who drive this mentality are sissies and are raising sissies. End of my analysis. I don't call it cheating because there is no rule against it but do see it as a pathetic cop out to have your 16 year old out there with 14 year olds to choreograph an advantage. College coaches who fall for this are fools.

I do think it is unfair to pound down on Hill's remarkable Spring swing success this year and just say, well that's a PG school, because that is not correct.

I was told by a Hill parent who does have a PG kid there for one year that it was for academic reasons. Yes, I immediately thought that was B.S...but then I learned that in Canada you cannot go to public school in anything but your calendar year class by law. So even if you are remedial or flunking their system passes you through. The only exceptions are for valid health reasons...a rare instance where a kid was hospitalized for months out of school. Apparently one of the reasons is financial, they don't want to add to school crowding with back booked kids. Thr second reason was they did not want what we have in the US...kids restraining back a year to have an ice hockey advantage. In Canada that would be blasphemy.

If LI kids are so tough, why don't you schedule Hill? I am sure they'd love to play Chaminade and others. What are you so scared of, that a team with a few big bad PGs will beat you? Or the excuses getting harder to spin? A San Francisco team traveled cross country to almost beat Chaminade last year and all you guys could do is make excuses that the game was only close because some of the kids went to Disneyland on Spring Break the week before. Pathetic.

Chaminade and SA's are scared to play Hill. Hill would destroy both without question just like they did to all teams they played at the SWR tournament past fall.

You are missing teeth, and are covered in ink

Almost means St. Ignatius fron California stepping off a plane last year and taking Chaminade to the buzzer losing 5-4 after being down 5-1. Chaminade got outplayed and wad lucky. And LI does what it always does...make excuses.

I would add NJ to your list. Inside Lacrosse recently ran a study of which states D1 commits came from, and NJ was pretty high on the list along with NY/PA/MD.

Almost means St. Ignatius fron California stepping off a plane last year and taking Chaminade to the buzzer losing 5-4 after being down 5-1. Chaminade got outplayed and wad lucky. And LI does what it always does...make excuses.

Future is the same as the present & past in regards to ncaa lacrosse. Below are the numbers for D1 lacrosse verbal commits from current freshman & soph HS classes-

2016-
Canada - 2
Colorado - 1
Cali- 5
NJ - 10
TX - 2
NY - 22 ( 9 are from L.I.)
PA- 30
MD - 12

2017-
Canada - 0
Colorado - 1
Cali -1
NJ - 1
TX- 3
NY- 9 ( 7 from L.I.)
PA - 5
MD - 4

Pretty clear the northeast boys still running stuff.

Buddy, check your numbers again. I think you point is generally correct but you are way off on the # of commits. Looks at Inside Lacrosse/Recruiting Forums/2017 Boys Verbal Commitments and you will see almost 50 commits not the mid 20s you show above. Again your point is generally correct but use the correct numbers.