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Understood - price includes camp and it is known up front that it does. They are not hiding it, if you don't agree with it, you don't have to play or go to the camp. They don't force you to donate to charity. In fact, as a 501(c)(3) organization, any monies given to fl$ be it for registration, can qualify as a tax deduction....after tax cost of fl$ may actually be cheaper than most clubs.

ok we get it you think fl$ is too expensive..man talk about beating a dead horse. They cost X amount which includes a camp...like the previous post said..can you pay less for express if you dont attend 3 practices? or are you "forced" to pay for all of them. The camp is included in the price just as the express price includes 10 practices..whether you attend is up to you but it is included. Holy cow can you really be this dense?
Why do so many people from the express love to point out what they consider to be flaws in every other club? If everyone on this board tells you that the express is by far the best lacrosse club in the world and your player must be amazing to part of such an esteemed organization, will you let the camp thing go?

A full page of one person complaining about the cost of one club. There is a list of other clubs down the side of this page....find the less expensive alternative and move on. Don't want to pay for camp, don't want to give to charity, don't want to stop complaining about fl$...they will be lucky to get rid of you. You are probably the same parent who complains about playing time and coaching.

fl$ also has a Girls 2016 team.

Any truth to speculation that fl$ won't have their 2015 boys play against Express Orange because so many fl$ boys tried to switch sides? A bunch of fl$ kids tried out for Express but few if any Express Orange tried out for fl$. Interesting. Curious why so many were ready to jump the fl$ ship but clearly the boat wasn't big enough for everybody. Save that discussion for another time. There is nobody else on the Island in the league of either team so they need to play eachother more than just in Florida - and that's a maybe anyway. At least a few scrimmages are in order this summer.

Express tryouts were early so a lot of kids from a lot of teams tried out fl$ kids might have tried out because spots were not guaranteed, by the time fl$ tried out express players had already made deposits. As far as not playing each other, it seems to be the trend on Long Island, because they are in such a competition for players that the top organizations are not playing each other on a lot of age groups. the kids are the loser in that situation.

Exactly, Express waited to announce tryout dates and not surprisingly scheduled them before the other teams. They also made the kids commit before the other teams's tryout dates.

Seems like this worked very well for the Express - picked off one or two fl$ kids and also collected a lot of deposit money from panicked fl$ parents. I blame fl$ for this after they were disappointed with performance versus Express last summer and told everybody to go ahead and try out for other teams because nothing was guarenteed. Where did they think they were going to get better players than what they already had? What if Express had taken more than one or two? Will be interesting to see if there are any changes in the tryout process this year. There has to be a better way without so much anxiety and turmoil. U15 in FL will tell if they upgraded the 2015 squad or not. You can bet the Express is feeling pretty good about their chances to take fl$'s crown.

The 2016 girls team struggled at shamrock they even lost to YJ 2018

OMG give them a break its a new team and their first time together with no practice.

fl$ tryouts for 2013- were predetermined before the tryouts.
Originally they capped tryouts at 69 kids. This year over 100.
They hired a new coach from hot shots who who brought 5 kids for 2017.
They knew some boys didn't stand a chance but still encouraged them to try-

Does anyone from 2017 know some of dads and the director had a pow wow?to discuss how bad some of the kids were ?

Anyone who played last year knows the attack from manhasset was a bully with a mouth , fl$ we place importance on being a family?! Where was that value last year?

2017 had one coach , paid for two?! No explanation

One tournament , no coach ??? He was stuck in traffic

A lot of bs is said with fl$ but if ur gonna hold a tryout make it a tryout
Be fair, don't seek out players from your town!

Shame , shame

On charging so much and not even havin the courtesy of a phone call to tell the child thanks but we went with someone else?!
Thanks for leaving kids hanging/////
Love waking up a child and telling him he wasn't good enough
For the team they already had picked out in August.


So disappointed
Yes we all want to win
But quite frankly none of your teams did well last year

Maybe if it wasn't about the money the coaches would have done their jobs.

Wow - right on the money!

Wow - that cuts deep. I've heard similar stories about fl$.

It's not true

Cus anyone who watched the 2017 team knows their attackman from manhasset if foul, loudmouth and curses at his own teammates. Not once was he ever punished or taken out of the game by his coach. Its to bad,,,, they let a Lil kid be such a hot dog

Talent or no talent he's a selfish player

Where was the fl$ philosophy then?

Be very, very, very, very, careful with giving tax advice. You obviously do not know what you are talking about and can get this team in a heap of trouble.

8th graders losing to 6th graders. Facts are facts.

Ok this is it. Let's be clear, TAX EVASION means you take the fl$ cost and put it on your tax return as a deductible cost per this IDIOTS advice . Here is this IDIOTS quote:
"Understood - price includes camp and it is known up front that it does. They are not hiding it, if you don't agree with it, you don't have to play or go to the camp. They don't force you to donate to charity. In fact, as a 501(c)(3) organization, any monies given to fl$ be it for registration, can qualify as a tax deduction....after tax cost of fl$ may actually be cheaper than most clubs:"
This is TAX EVASION The IDIOT who posted this could be liable for all of this. Great going!!! Be careful, you are indeed liable for your statements!!!!! Do not take tax advice blind posts!

Yes..the organization has changed. It was all predetermined and unfair. What happen to the love of the game...

Thanks for the $125, and no, we won't even give you a courtesy call or email, thanking you for the donation, if you didn't make the team...doesn't sound like a "love of the game" type organization...

Why does everyone think fl$ is an acronym for "for love of the game" it is really "for love of the GREEN"

Predetermined - - what age group and what positions? There was a large pool of talent at the tryouts last weekend, with kids from many different clubs there.

Altruistic intentions early then overtaken by success and greed - has been human nature for thousands of years. The directors are making quite a nice life for themselves from this non-profit.

2017 and 2018 girls a walk on team again this year. Despite the rumor probably started by housefro who thinks her son or daughter is a superstar- there is no "cap" on how many kids can tryout. Bottom line- spend $2125 and your precious child gets a uniform and a keychain.

Did anyone say there wasn't talent.
Maybe you should read-

Before you answer

Everyone knows wink met with parents over the summer. Because their kids are so talented and they discussed who should be cut and who should stay,
This is what happens wihen certain people brag about what they said and didn't say to wink


And when you bring a coach from a team that folded -hot shots- and bring 5 players

Then I'd say the team was pretty much predetermined

A spade is a spade!
Read

Sorry Mr Anonymous' but It is not difficult to figure out which parent wrote this. I have no problem with these blogs criticizing clubs or questioning directors but there is nothing lower or more classless then when an adult publicly attacks and insults a 13yr old. You should be very embarrassed. Your son wasn't cut because the fl$ tryouts were fixed - your son didn't make the team because a better player took his place. That's lax on Long Island, get over it.
No program is perfect but the fact that fl$ 2017 was able to retain their top core players despite a mixed season last year speaks volumes.

Very disappointed in Wink..He didn't do the right thing and crushed many kids. A lot of kids stuck it out on teams that were not refined, and unfortunately, a lot of good talent was hindered by the bad. Great job!!! Wink...The fl$ loves the buck!!

predetermined and fixed..call a spade a spade.

Oh isn't that great!!!! not...

I'm glad others are starting to call him out on this stuff. He takes credit for everything and the blame for nothing. He even takes credit for a kids college recruiting when he did NOTHING to help him. To top it off he has his own people nominate him for a US Lacrosse award that is an absolute crock. Once again taking credit for things he should not. The program was very good in the beginning and has now gone backwards. They charge New [lacrosse] Yankee prices for Houston Astros baseball.

Sorry to hear that your experience was not a good one with fl$. We have experienced not making teams, gossiping parents, fixed tryouts and unbelievable politics, but NOT with fl$. They do promote good values to the kids and I agree that fl$ should have called the kids that did NOT make the team and the kids who did make the team could've gotten an email, that is constructive feedback... but if you don't like the program, then no need to tryout or go back to that team. There are teams we will NEVER tryout for and that is our prerogative. The families on our team are wonderful and we are a close bunch.... we make the team a great one, the club just brought us together and the coaches train the kids. We don't win all the time, but we have a [lacrosse] of a time watching the kids play lacrosse and spending time together. We the parents set the values, not the club.

I would have to agree...

New fl$ Easton Helmet $200 (i.e. fl$ raised the price $200 from the prior year)

Mandatory fl$ Headwrapz for $50.....

Helmet is recalled by Easton....then as a consolation prize they give out Easton heads (unstrung) and shafts that not one kid used or wanted. Priceless!

Totally agree and as for this poster calling the girls teams walk-on that may be true for a couple of players they have trouble attracting talent because of the price point but the core group is solid and has alot of lax talent. We don't claim to be YJ's and you know what we are ok with it. We have also a close bunch, great kids everyone gets along and we love watching the kids play. What is the matter with everyone these days? Why does everyone feel that they need to rip everyone apart all the time? Do you see any fl$ parents on here complaining about the program, that it was terrible, that they never would go back? I don't feel ripped off. My daughter loves fl$, her friends, her coaches and so do I. Why does lacrosse always have to be about being D1 level. I know my kids is not and it's fine. If we like our club then you should not care so much. Everyone on here sounds like a bunch of parents that have kids that were cut and I feel sorry for the kids but anyone who is part of lax knows you have your kid try out for more than one team. It is what it is. Enjoy your winter lacrosse.

Read this whole thread and you will find fl$ parents who are not happy. You will also find out real quickly how many of their girls left from last year. They may not be on BOTC, but they are already on other teams.

In your case you seem like you are happy because your daughter is not a top player but you can afford to pay their ridiculous prices and have her on team. Good for you.

This year's fl$ helmet is actually a Custom Pro7 Cascade Helmet. $155 Dollars per helmet....All Navy with chrome Carolina blue mask

Who cares about a helmet !!!! Who is coaching the teams. I will pay for coaching not a helmet.

The helmet information was in response to the person posting false information.

fl$ posts a listing of every coach on their website www.[lacrosse]:

Bob Jahelka Director
Mike Winkoff Director
Corey Winkoff Director
Shane Sweeney fl$ Lite-Boys 2022 Coach
Tony Barone fl$ Lite - Boys 2022 Coach
Mark Rizzo fl$ Lite- Boys 2021 Coach
Stu Fast fl$ Lite - Boys 2020 Coach
Greg Rhodes fl$ Lite- Boys 2020 Coach
Chris Leahy Boys 2019 Team- Coach
Tom Holman Boys 2019 Team- Coach
Will Kogel Boys 2019 Team-Coach
Matt Paolano Boys 2018 Team-Coach
James Kern Boys 2018 Team- Coach
Robert Coscia Boys 2017 Team- Coach
Eric Dunne Boys 2017 Team-Coach
Brian Soper Boys 2016 Team & U15- Coach
Justin O'Connell Boys 2016 Team- Coach
Karl Hedstrom Boys 2015 Team- Coach
Brian Tower Boys 2015 Team- Coach
Mike Hungerford Boys 2014 Team- Coach
John Nessler Boys 2014 Team- Coach
Katie McGinty Girls 2014 Team- Coach
Jenna Spenard Girls 2014 Team- Coach
Kristie Leggio fl$ Girls Director & Girls 2015 Team- Coach
Jessica Wiegand Girls 2015 Team- Coach
Christina LaPenta Girls 2016 Team- Coach
Casey McGrath Girls 2017 Team- Coach
Ashley Babst Girls 2017 Team- Coach
Morgan Chiarenza Girls 2018 Team- Coach
Kerri McGinty fl$ Girls Director & Girls 2018 Team- Coach
Jackie Sileo Girls 2019 Team - Coach
Nicole Sileo Girls 2019 Team- Coach
Christine Collins fl$ Lite Girls Director
Ashley Janelli fl$ Lite- Girls 2020 Coach
Kait Brosco fl$ Lite- Girls 2020 Coach
Samantha Losco fl$ Lite- Girls 2021 Coach
Katelyn Piegare fl$ Lite- Girls 2021 Coach

The 2015 team is not competitive. Actually they were the one who were cut from other teams!

Dear Poster: I always read this forum and I am very aware of every post. I don't see that many have left. I personally know only one girl that left the program last year for another team. If they are older girls in high school that is not what I am talking about. You don't have to be a YJ to be a top player in lacrosse. Most of the YJs are a certain type of agressive player that excels in that fast paced forum. I have alot of YJ friends that are great people with great kids. My point was just that I know that intense kind of play is not for my kid. Your so uninformed its ridiculous. The 1,700 that we used to pay gave us an unbelievable Under Armour package, adult professional coaches, a full week of camp. If it is a couple of extra hundred over, who cares I don't. You do. Don't worry about what fl$ parents pay and clearly your kid is not on any team right now cause you seem mezmerized with the team they didn't make. Don't be such a nasty poster. You might get one back.