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You are being a homer when you fail to mention the other opportunity for college coaches to watch the best teams in the age groups right around the corner from the lacrosse by three not so classic.

Where does the bus tour go?

Then change clubs.

There are many recruiting events in the region that BOTC does not cover. That does not diminish the value of the showcase events that we do cover.

BOTC provided in-depth coverage of alternative Long Island girls showcase events here on the message boards in 2011 and again in our BOTC Newsletter in 2012. The problem with these events was that they are not capable of attracting other Long Island programs. The Lacrosse Classic is well positioned to bring together those teams in a recruiting environment.

Team Elevate is running a bus tour on the east coast for recruiting age girls. It's a great idea and can't believe that other clubs have not done this before. Great way for girls to see schools, meet coaches and players and a great bonding experience for the teams.

Team Elevate is running a bus tour on the east coast for recruiting age girls. It's a great idea and can't believe that other clubs have not done this before. Great way for girls to see schools, meet coaches and players and a great bonding experience for the teams.

Well positioned sounds like homer talk. My prediction is as many if not more college coaches will visit the YJ event that weekend.

What if the tour doesn't include the school your daughter is interested in? Then who is it great for the person who organizes the trip? Doesn't sound great to me.

What if the tour doesn't include the school your daughter is interested in? Then who is it great for the person who organizes the trip? Doesn't sound great to me.

I have an idea that may work for you when these situations come up again. If somebody offers you something - let's say for instance a college bus tour and let's say you are not interested in it for argument sake - maybe you just don't go - how does that sound??! I think the point the person was making was that there is a club doing something different to expose kids to schools and coaches and players and I am sure they all won't go - but at least they are trying to do something and going the extra mile and thinking creatively.

What if the tour doesn't include the school your daughter is interested in? Then who is it great for the person who organizes the trip? Doesn't sound great to me.

Too funny cage such a homer he alters posts and does not even say that it's been edited, shows cages complete lack of honesty. Feel free to edit this post also I will keep them coming, just shows you know TG cannot stand on its own merit.

Great job by Team Elevate trying something new. Seems TG is very helpful in recruiting process also.

Cage-would you consider posting a "Wish I Knew This The First Time" so that parents and athletes could put helpful things for those of going through the process now? Thank you, Alot of stuff I read on here is helping me in high school.

Worst case, you get to see some other schools and have something to compare to when you do visit your top schools. Best case, you fall in love with a school you never considered. Either way, you spend a few days with your teammates off the field - I don't see any downside and I'm not involved with either club.

Either club? I thought they were talking about Elevate doing this, who else is doing it? I have done exactly this with my daughter and a group of friends from several different teams and went on to play at prestigious colleges summer tournaments. Completely player and parent organized and it has worked out very well. No bus but like that idea too. Is this idea organized by elevate or by parents and players? We have also opted out of similar events because of lack of interest for college, tournament and or coaches present. The idea of the summer clubs we play for is to have the teams play in at least several tournament with a good cross section of exposure to a wide variety of recruiters, are these clubs failing us that we have to go out on our own to get the desired exposure?

No need to edit this edition of your drivel (SAT Word of the Day). Why are you completely absorbed with the activities around the Top Guns program?

Does anyone have real details about what Elevate is doing? What schools, how many days, is it open to non-Elevate players?

My opinion is that clubs can't be everything for everyone. Most of them work very hard to improve the club which by default makes the kids better and more recruitable (if that's a word...lol).
Parental involvement and guidance can never be replaced and is critical in the formation of solid character and values. Not to mention the invaluable experiences that will be shared when parents take their kids to college showcases and clinics. By the way, it is the most effective way to see the campus, see the culture of the current teams players and get a great look from the coaches.
This formula has worked great for us and we have some great memories and an amazing college recruiting result to show for it. The clubs are a great tool to be utilized to improve your players skills and a great resource to get your foot in the "recruiting door" but the rest is up to you....as it should be.

Does anyone have real details about what Elevate is doing? What schools, how many days, is it open to non-Elevate players?

I did not want to hijack the TG thread but I thought that if you wanted the details I would let you know them. This is a team organized event and not a parent event. We are visiting the following schools via a coach bus in this order Yale, UCONN, Boston College, Harvard, Brown, Bryant, Connecticut College and Fairfield.

I did not want to hijack the TG thread but I thought that if you wanted the details I would let you know them. This is a team organized event and not a parent event. We are visiting the following schools via a coach bus in this order Yale, UCONN, Boston College, Harvard, Brown, Bryant, Connecticut College and Fairfield.

That is so cool!

Great idea! A nice variety of schools and a great starting point for the girls and their families. It's a fun and exciting time in their lives.... I think this will make it more fun for them. Good luck.

the only time topguns is helpful in recruiting is if your a blue chip player.... and if you are, you dont need them.

the only time topguns is helpful in recruiting is if your a blue chip player.... and if you are, you dont need them.

If they're not helping you, and you're a TG parent, it's time for a look in the mirror. It might be due to your behavior. So many parents get crazy, negative, pushy, and critical, that I'm sure the Smiths are much less motivated to help them! Leaves them more time to help the parents who are respectful, patient, supportive, and helpful to the program.

Unfortunately, I've seen so many parents, who think they're helping their kids, by constantly questioning and criticizing the coaches & program. It happens in travel, youth, and HS. The poor kids of those parents will always be fighting an uphill battle, to counteract their parents' behavior. I have friends who are HS and college coaches, and a big part of the recruiting conversation is the PARENTS! If the kids are similar, the coach will ALWAYS take the one with quieter parents, even if the kid is slightly less skilled!

The comments, questions, and negativity usually makes its way back to the coaches and directors. They know who the problem parents are, believe me. Do your kids a favor, and watch your behavior, sideline comments, etc.

Sounds about right the Smiths should punish those kids that have parents that dare to criticize them.

Those comments usually find there way back to the Smiths because parents like you feel the only way to get your kid ahead is go to the Smiths and make a lot of nonsense up about so and so who's kid is way better than yours.

The funniest thing about your comment is BS was the worst sideline parent out there , go ask some of SS old teammates.

Sounds about right the Smiths should punish those kids that have parents that dare to criticize them. Those comments usually find there way back to the Smiths because parents like you feel the only way to get your kid ahead is go to the Smiths and make a lot of nonsense up about so and so who's kid is way better than yours.The funniest thing about your comment is BS was the worst sideline parent out there , go ask some of SS old teammates .

Sounds about right the Smiths should punish those kids that have parents that dare to criticize them. Those comments usually find there way back to the Smiths because parents like you feel the only way to get your kid ahead is go to the Smiths and make a lot of nonsense up about so and so who's kid is way better than yours.The funniest thing about your comment is BS was the worst sideline parent out there , go ask some of SS old teammates .

That is not what our original poster suggested and demonstrates that you have a fundamental lack of reading comprehension skills. The poster was not discussing "punishment" in response to "criticism", but instead was talking about negative behaviors which would impact the student-athlete's standing with the team.

A coach has an option to go the extra mile for a given player and will do that for one of many reasons. However, that same coach who has been chastized on multiple occasions by a given parent might not be as willing to help.

That is not "punishment".

To inflict a penalty( not helping or worse purposely hurting a recruit) in retaliation for the perceived commission of an offense ( being critical) is punishment.


Your sentence expresses absolutely zero value-added content.

Which would also equate to your comment having zero- added content

BOTC would certainly like to do just that.

Let's start with you since you have all the answers. Contact us at cagesage@backofthecage.com with some names including your own. BOTC will do the legwork.

I actually like SS but have found her fathers antics back in the YJ days to present not representative of a good role model.

Find in inexcusable that you are okay w them accepting people's money for years but would not put their best effort forward to help a kid who has done nothing to them get recruited.

If you do not want people posting anonymously then don't allow it.

To inflict a penalty( not helping or worse purposely hurting a recruit) in retaliation for the perceived commission of an offense ( being critical) is punishment.

I actually like SS but have found her fathers antics back in the YJ days to present not representative of a good role model. Find in inexcusable that you are okay w them accepting people's money for years but would not put their best effort forward to help a kid who has done nothing to them get recruited. If you do not want people posting anonymously then don't allow it.

Found the following embedded in your previous response.

Offering recruiting help is not something that we have seen on any club's recruiting flyer to date. BOTC believes that too many lacrosse families are relegating this role to the club directors which is leading to this idea of punishment and retaliation. Parents are expecting a service which was never explicitly promised.

The fact is that unless you signed something with your club that said that part of your tuition was being directed towards recruiting support, this is likely something not guaranteed. Therefore, a player cannot be "punished" by not receiving a service not promised.

Our solution here is quite simple : Let the club director's run their clubs and the right support for your child will flow. If you are unhappy with your club (which should be known well before the recruiting ages), find another option.

Parents are always the best advocates for their children. Direct that effort to guiding a college communications campaign with your child rather than working over the club coaches.