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People bash on the Turtles because they have been an entitled group of kids (and parents) for years. They've also lost a few key kids, and this trend will continue.

As for some teams having older kids, that may be true, but the situation is way overblown. Amazing how LI parents are so obsessed about an issue that doesn't exist.

You are either naive or in denial. The issue does exist and will continue to exist. LI players heve benefitted from playing "up" against the MD teams. This is evidenced later at the collegiate level where the age difference doesn't matter anymore and LI players consistently out perform MD players.

People bash on the Turtles because they have been an entitled group of kids (and parents) for years. They've also lost a few key kids, and this trend will continue.

As for some teams having older kids, that may be true, but the situation is way overblown. Amazing how LI parents are so obsessed about an issue that doesn't exist.

The number of "older" kids from certain states is nominal in numbers. It is also speaks to the paranoia of LI parents. Look at hockey. Nearly every hockey kid from Canada is older than their US counterpart. You don't see US parents crying about any differential in age. Seriously, you look silly.

As for LI kids outperforming MD kids in college (or kids from any state), where is your evidence, and what criteria do you use to determine "better". There are tons of LI kids who do great in the college ranks, and they should - the number of kids from NY who play lacrosse dwarfs any other state.

The number of "older" kids from certain states is nominal in numbers. It is also speaks to the paranoia of LI parents. Look at hockey. Nearly every hockey kid from Canada is older than their US counterpart. You don't see US parents crying about any differential in age. Seriously, you look silly.

As for LI kids outperforming MD kids in college (or kids from any state), where is your evidence, and what criteria do you use to determine "better". There are tons of LI kids who do great in the college ranks, and they should - the number of kids from NY who play lacrosse dwarfs any other state.

So much crying from LI parents. Guess what - when you play in HS and college, you play against older kids all the time. Get over yourself (and no, I don't live in MD or PA).

As for the talk about what will happen in college, who cares? My son loves lacrosse, but that is not going to be his profession. He is going to college to learn and prepare for a professional career outside of sports.

Many of you LI parents are delusional.

Who's delusional? Let's bring down the 16 year olds from LI to play your 2017's and then we'll see who's delusional.

...and MD has over 2x the population of LI.

Some of us LI parents have no problem playing against older kids. Bring it on. That's what we do in high school. Most of the better players on LI would have no interest in being left back a year because they don't need to.

LOL. I don't live in Maryland, but I have access to this new fangled Google machine, and this is what it spit out:

Population of Long Island: 7.57 million people
Population of Maryland: 5.89 million people

Don't let facts get in your way.

When its all said and done its more than a handful. No complaining here. I agree with the previous post. Our kids will play with older kids all day long!!!! "If you can play then you can play". I don't care if some these kids are 30 when they start college. That's on them. For our LI guys who play ....age is meaningless. But one thing is for sure. You guys would not want go up against the better LI kids if they "reclassified ".

Some of us LI parents have no problem playing against older kids. Bring it on. That's what we do in high school. Most of the better players on LI would have no interest in being left back a year because they don't need to.

3 of 4 players on some teams, no? Repeating a year, I mean. Is this not so? It seems that if you would stop the denial of this, it may die off a bit. I guess that soon somebody will start naming which teams, kids names, etc. Not a good direction.

The 7.57 million includes approximately 5 million people from Brooklyn and Queens. These are boroughs in NYC where lacrosse is barely played. The 386 Div. 1 players from LI all come fromm Nassau and Suffolk counties.

I think it sends a bad message to the child.
"hey sonny boy, you are not good enough to play against your own age , so we are going to have you play against the little kids so you standout more"
not a good message

Nope. That number is exaggerated. Nice try. Anything to justify a loss, I guess.

LOL. I don't live in Maryland, but I have access to this new fangled Google machine, and this is what it spit out:

Population of Long Island: 7.57 million people
Population of Maryland: 5.89 million people
This is true if you include the NYC Boro's of Brooklyn and Queens. Geographicly on Long Island, but not part of the lacrosse landscape.

Don't let facts get in your way.

There is absolutely no denying that there are 16 year old kids playing on 2017 teams. My son and I were at the Warrior Diamond Showcase and there were kids openly talking about how old they were and how they repeated years and so on. Several of them were from a certain Baltimore area travel organization that just so happened to be hosting the event. I really don't care one way or another, my son will compete and be fine, but the physical difference between a 16 year old and a 14 year old is undeniable. The older kids at the Warrior definitely stood out and were definitely noticed by the few college coaches that were there. I think its definitely an unfair advantage but I also think thats the way it is and not worth complaining about. However, the denials that this is going on is just plain laughable. At the fl$ in 3D shootout a few weeks ago, the 3D Canada team was filled with 17 year old "reclassified" kids who were playing in a 2016 bracket. One mother told a few of us her son started school late, and shes already held him back a year, and shes considering having him do a PG year if hes drawing interest from a big time school. Make no mistake, this is something the Director of 3D lacrosse openly advocates. He did it with his own son, who is 16 years old and a 2017 and just committed to North Carolina. This is not some delusional, made up conspiracy by Long Island parents, this is an actual strategy by many coaches and parents alike to give their sons an edge in college recruitment. Like someone stated earlier, "college coaches only care about grade, not age". Given the fact that the college recruitment schedule seems like it has accelerated, there is no denying that this is giving these older kids an advantage. Just take a look at the 2017 kids that have committed so far, not one of them is a true 2017, all of them are hold backs and "reclassified". So in closing I would say to the Long Island parents to stop whining because theres nothing we can do about it, and I would say to the parents of the hold backs and grade repeaters, stop denying it and be truthful about it already.