BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Boys 2018 Fall 2013/Summer 2014

He is not "full of himself" he is stating a fact and obviously has an understanding of this event, some regions can not full a roster even with 6th and 7th graders, and even with their 6th and 7th graders they still only show up with 15 players and then alternates from other areas (long Island) fill in the rosters. LI could field 3 competitive teams. As far as it being a learning experience for the 6th and 7th graders, well they learned that it can get really cold in December and that they are not big enough, strong enough and skilled enough to compete with Xtremley good eight graders - I could have taught them that for half the money

We advancing players are now posted on brine website
75 Middle Schoolers

73 8th grade vs. 2 7th grade

25 - Team 91
20 - LI Express
10 - fl$
5 - Team Long Island

Ther are 6 blanks and no other club/town has more than 1 name listed

I don't know about that! Some of the 2018 players chosen would have a hard time making the top 2019 teams. Earned a spot for the next round? sure... making the " A" team. Doubt it. It's about money. It will happen again next year, parents will complain, the year after that and so on.

You need to stop drinking the "Long Island" cool-aid, we, as a whole are strong and at times dominate but it is obvious from playing teams from all over the country, that we have no right to be treated "differently." In fact, we have been treated differently in the past by being allowed 2 teams but since Lacrosse is an ever growing sport and due the limited number of teams that go to Brine Nationals, it makes more sense to create one top team to dominate and prove we are dominant and not just say it.

This is just the beginning for the age group. At least this finally ends the argument that all those love thy town lax people have had of "don't do club and stick with the summer town program"... There is clearly a benefit to playing on club. Not to mention the clubs make your school kids better.

25 - Team 91
20 - LI Express
10 - fl$
5 - Team Long Island

of the 6 without club affiliate 1 played on extreme last year and chose not to tryout this year and another made terps 2 years ago and also chose not to play. In addition I did not see an Express, fl$ or TLI evaluator yet they managed to get 35 spots.

I think that playing on a club team does not make you a top player as much as a majority of the top players play club. How the final teams are picked is obviously yet to be seen but I find it hard to believe that a top 25 player did not make the top 75 call back so after all is said and done it looks like hey got it right

25 - Team 91
20 - LI Express
10 - fl$
5 - Team Long Island

of the 6 without club affiliate 1 played on extreme last year and chose not to tryout this year and another made terps 2 years ago and also chose not to play. In addition I did not see an Express, fl$ or TLI evaluator yet they managed to get 35 spots.

I think that playing on a club team does not make you a top player as much as a majority of the top players play club. How the final teams are picked is obviously yet to be seen but I find it hard to believe that a top 25 player did not make the top 75 call back so after all is said and done it looks like hey got it right

BS. There is a selection that is horrible. Absolutely horrible. He's a back up to a player on a travel team that wasn't selected. He didn't have the tryout of a lifetime. He's weak and the kids know it. Was awarded a spot another kid deserves. Just a joke. Would never name names because it has to do with kids.

BS. There is a selection that is horrible. Absolutely horrible. He's a back up to a player on a travel team that wasn't selected. He didn't have the tryout of a lifetime. He's weak and the kids know it. Was awarded a spot another kid deserves. Just a joke. Would never name names because it has to do with kids.

25 - Team 91
20 - LI Express
10 - fl$
5 - Team Long Island

of the 6 without club affiliate 1 played on extreme last year and chose not to tryout this year and another made terps 2 years ago and also chose not to play. In addition I did not see an Express, fl$ or TLI evaluator yet they managed to get 35 spots.

I think that playing on a club team does not make you a top player as much as a majority of the top players play club. How the final teams are picked is obviously yet to be seen but I find it hard to believe that a top 25 player did not make the top 75 call back so after all is said and done it looks like hey got it right

It all depends on the selection process for the "Pride Showcase". If it is 91 biased and we have the same evaluators, It will be an uphill battle to make the team. let's say the 25 break down to 6 attack, 10 middies with one fogo, 7 poles with one LSM, and 2 Goalies.
5 attack out of 19 are from xtreme that leaves 15 kids going for 1 spot
6 poles out of 25 are from xtreme. that leaves 19 kids going for 1spot
6 middies out of 25 are from xtreme. that leaves 19 kids going for 4 spots.
1extreme goalie leaves 1 spot open for 5 kids.
This is not counting the numerous other 91 tryouts and team affiliated kids.

These extreme kids are great lacrosse players and will get the nod over someone of equal talent or even over someone marginally better. some I suspect will even get the nod over a much better player.

with SL, TR, and RC pulling the strings, know what you are getting into before you send in the $150.

I think people are forgetting that it was more or less the same evaluators last year, substitute JM from 91 for SL, and the majority of the kids on the LI North team were from the Express. It was something like 15 out of the 25 kids were Express kids. That team played awesome in the tournament and won the Championship going away. So they weren't biased and I guess they evaluated ok.
BTW, there was an fl$ coach there evaluating.

Whoever it is that runs this event should be ashamed --- and investigated to see if this scam is legal.......

What is potentially illegal?

Someone hangs out a shingle, e-mails Long Island boys teams and parents to get participation, and parents flocked like lemmings. Did anyone ask prior to the tryouts, "How the evaluators were being selected or drafted?" No. Did anyone ask, "What are we getting for the tryout fee?" No. Did anyone ask, "How many players are allowed to participate given the limited field space?" No. Participants were more than happy to push their money to the organizers.

Now, you want to claim foul?

Parents bought this event without checking into the details. BOTC did not cover this event and as we have said many times, you are "on your own" in terms of quality if you do not see the event as one of our partners. If this was a BOTC event, you could be damn sure that you would have been informed on the evaluation process.

You bought it. You got burned by it. Think about it.

nobody got burned, some kids got cut, my son plays on a team that did not have a coach on the field as an evaluator and still made it. This event was poorly conceived and poorly executed but last I checked incompetence is not a criminal offense and I would bet money that if every 6th and 7th grade lacrosse parent on LI reads this thread they will still sell out next year.

I think people are forgetting that it was more or less the same evaluators last year, substitute JM from 91 for SL, and the majority of the kids on the LI North team were from the Express. It was something like 15 out of the 25 kids were Express kids. That team played awesome in the tournament and won the Championship going away. So they weren't biased and I guess they evaluated ok.
BTW, there was an fl$ coach there evaluating.

Imagine that??

Funny, fl$ got 10 kids in and one of their coaches was an evaluator, what are the chances?

These kids have been competing against each other for years and the coaches all know who is who. Its the reason 200 kids show up (from 5 states) to the 91 tryouts Simple... make extreme or orange and you get a good look for stuff like this. Why all the shock?

No shock. Just give everyone a fair look. Believe it or not , their are very good players who have never even tried out for 91. Orange is a good team but not good enough for kids to get automatically pushed through. Same with fl$. They are decent team but 10 is big number.

Fair point. It is why I didn't even bother to bring my son. You would have to really stand out and unfortunately it is tough with the ability level on the field. It is why those going to Catholic HS play Express. Think about it...If you have two middies that look the same (both very good) you'll take the one you know. Not endorsing the process - just looking at it realistically.

As stated before, easily could have gotten evaluators form local colleges not affiliated with any club. Would have at least made it a bit more even handed. Here's a little tid bit though. This event has zero early recruiting meaning. Wait till these kids start going to individual showcases and camps. The college coaches could care less what club team you're on. Some will continue to standout, and others will be exposed. Those once overlooked will shine very brightly. It's the way it works. Look at all the current 2014 commits, while Express and to a lesser degree 91 have their fair share, there are many, many others not involved with these clubs.

As stated before, easily could have gotten evaluators form local colleges not affiliated with any club. Would have at least made it a bit more even handed. Here's a little tid bit though. This event has zero early recruiting meaning. Wait till these kids start going to individual showcases and camps. The college coaches could care less what club team you're on. Some will continue to standout, and others will be exposed. Those once overlooked will shine very brightly. It's the way it works. Look at all the current 2014 commits, while Express and to a lesser degree 91 have their fair share, there are many, many others not involved with these clubs.

Keep hating. There will be many who do not play club who will not as you put it "shine". These are 12 and 13 year old boys, a lot will change in the years to come so stop rooting against other children. If you and your son do not want to play for a club team then don't. Stop being a hater, focus on your own kid and stop wishing for others to fail.

BY the way, go check the 2017 and 2016 commits, check to see how many play for a club team.

That would be unfortunate, but I guess there is always politics. Xtreme is obviously a very good team , but there is no way that their whole team is better than all the other kids that tried out? I actually think they may be the most top heavy team out there! No question their Top 2 middies, Top defender and goalie are the cream of the crop. After that the rest of the team is in the mix with the many talented kids on the other teams. How does 91 get 25 kids, express get 20 and TLI only get 5? fl$ has more? Did the TLI kids not try out?