BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Boys 2020 Fall 2013/Summer 2014

Agreed, just not in the same league as Crush. Even 91b is right on there tail!

Is it possible there was/is a boy who was a part of the 2019 Grad year when he started school (maybe repeated 2nd grade - not due to grades or health) and is now in 2020.

And said boy is born after sept 1 2001.

If said boy was born after 9/1/01 then he would be age eligible for 2020. If said boy was born between 9/1/00 and 8/31/01 then he would be age eligible for 2019 but not 2020.

If he was born between 9/1/01 to 11/30/01, he is supposed to be in 2019.

If said boy was born after 9/1/01 then he would be age eligible for 2020. If said boy was born between 9/1/00 and 8/31/01 then he would be age eligible for 2019 but not 2020.

I understand the charts, I understand he would be eligible, but he did not start his academic span as a 2020. Just so happens he is now.

This last information is correct. The full current age group table follows for reference.

12/01/95 - 08/31/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 12th Grade ... U/18
09/01/96 - 11/30/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 12th Grade ... U/17

12/01/96 - 08/31/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 11th Grade ... U/17
09/01/97 - 11/30/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 11th Grade ... U/16

12/01/97 - 08/31/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 10th Grade ... U/16
09/01/98 - 11/30/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 10th Grade ... U/15

12/01/98 - 08/31/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/15
09/01/99 - 11/30/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/14

12/01/99 - 08/31/00 ... Class of 2018 ... 8th Grade .... U/14
09/01/00 - 11/30/00 ... Class of 2018 ... 8th Grade .... U/13

12/01/00 - 08/31/01 ... Class of 2019 ... 7th Grade .... U/13
09/01/01 - 11/30/01 ... Class of 2019 ... 7th Grade .... U/12

12/01/01 - 08/31/02 ... Class of 2020 ... 6th Grade .... U/12
09/01/02 - 11/30/02 ... Class of 2020 ... 6th Grade .... U/11

12/01/02 - 08/31/03 ... Class of 2021 ... 5th Grade .... U/11
09/01/03 - 11/30/03 ... Class of 2021 ... 5th Grade .... U/10

12/01/03 - 08/31/04 ... Class of 2022 ... 4rd Grade .... U/10
09/01/04 - 11/30/04 ... Class of 2022 ... 4rd Grade .... U/9

12/01/04 - 08/31/05 ... Class of 2023 ... 3nd Grade .... U/9
09/01/05 - 11/30/05 ... Class of 2023 ... 3nd Grade .... U/8

12/01/05 - 08/31/06 ... Class of 2024 ... 2nd Grade .... U/8
09/01/06 - 11/30/06 ... Class of 2024 ... 2nd Grade .... U/7

I know for a fact that the 2020 Express "A" team has kids that were held back a year as well. SO WHAT ??

Maybe we should have a 2020 AA Cheater Division? Sounds like Express and 91 could post teams.

I am confused... based on the chart from Sage- any kid left back for one year would still be in the correct division. Why all the hate? And how is this unethical? Are coaches/teams/programs- not supposed to be following this guideline?

The point is that the top 2020 teams from 91 and and Express have players that are a year older, and some of their parents deny it constantly. They are not "cheating" at all with the rules as they are. If they would just say, "Yes, some of our players are supposed to be in 7th grade", I think that would stop a lot of this. It obviously gives them an advantage, and people would like for them to state the truth. The constant hollow denials are what keeps this going.

The point is that the top 2020 teams from 91 and and Express have players that are a year older, and some of their parents deny it constantly. They are not "cheating" at all with the rules as they are. If they would just say, "Yes, some of our players are supposed to be in 7th grade", I think that would stop a lot of this. It obviously gives them an advantage, and people would like for them to state the truth. The constant hollow denials are what keeps this going.

It looks like Express A plays 91 A this weekend.

Is this Express team also playing in Indian Summer in Baltimore on Sunday? Or is that another LI Express team?

We will see if 91b is on their tails this Saturday.

A player that "is supposed to be in 7th grade" is usually not " a year older". Some of these kids with a late birthday (October or November) are only a month or too older than the Dec. 1st cut-off date. They play in 2020 division because that IS the year they will graduate and the class they will be playing lacrosse with! You think that's why these teams have an advantage?! Come on. The parents play them there because that's where they belong...they are 6th graders!

Is this Express team also playing in Indian Summer in Baltimore on Sunday? Or is that another LI Express team?

I think the point was, in many instances, the kids are still only a month or two apart in age...not a year older. The kids with the late birthdays that were " held back" are the ones that are close in age with many on their team. Being called "cheaters" in those instances sounds ridiculous.

I think the point was, in many instances, the kids are still only a month or two apart in age...not a year older. The kids with the late birthdays that were " held back" are the ones that are close in age with many on their team. Being called "cheaters" in those instances sounds ridiculous.

Yes it's true, expect express a to be crushed at the 2:15 Sat game. Can't wait to see the excuses flow!

I think the point was, in many instances, the kids are still only a month or two apart in age...not a year older. The kids with the late birthdays that were " held back" are the ones that are close in age with many on their team. Being called "cheaters" in those instances sounds ridiculous.

I think the point was, in many instances, the kids are still only a month or two apart in age...not a year older. The kids with the late birthdays that were " held back" are the ones that are close in age with many on their team. Being called "cheaters" in those instances sounds ridiculous.

They are CHEATERS. The cut off is the cut off, period. Even it's a day. Sadly, since it is not enforced some of you people make your own rules and cut off dates, then you try to justify it. Bottom line is you have an UNFAIR advantage, and if you think you don't, then why don't you play with your own age group??

So if my kid is "a day" older than your kid he has an "UNFAIR advantage"????

How about going to birth year like other sports such as hockey . It would take all the nonsense out of it. Have ID cards issued that must be produced prior to the tournament. It would eliminate the different years that boys and girls start school in different states. Even if the parents want to hold back for academic purposes the sports advantage would not be available.

Tournaments are starting to require Birth Certificates to be submitted with the rosters to verify that the players fall within the DOB requirements of the tournaments. The Dicks Tournament of Champions in Florida is requiring the Birth Certificates this year and so is the World Lacrosse Festival in Denver. What will be interesting to see is if 91 or Express still send their 2020 teams to these. If they do go and submit their real birth certificates I would assume they'd have to play in the next division/age group up...

Tournaments are starting to require Birth Certificates to be submitted with the rosters to verify that the players fall within the DOB requirements of the tournaments. The Dicks Tournament of Champions in Florida is requiring the Birth Certificates this year and so is the World Lacrosse Festival in Denver. What will be interesting to see is if 91 or Express still send their 2020 teams to these. If they do go and submit their real birth certificates I would assume they'd have to play in the next division/age group up...