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If Jerry were still with us, I’d pitch him a show idea: Holdback Drama: Lacrosse Edition. Picture this—a couple with an entire family of holdback kids, but the real action? One parent’s having an affair with a ‘non-holdback’ parent on the sidelines while garbage-talking her own kids’ lacrosse stats. And just when things hit a fever pitch on stage, enter King Crab, mouth a snapping, stoking the tension. The audience would be packed with non-holdback parents, cheering for the chaos. Now that’s a show worth watching!

Only whining I am hearing here is from the holdback supporters.

Better venues? Troy is not exactly a repurposed baseball field. Would love to hear what you think would be better.

The change to the 27 month window was posted this summer. It was a departure from the rules that hoco passed out last year. Give that the only team that brought down a bunch of 9th graders is Crabs, it’s not a reach to assume Crabs and Crabs parents cried that HOCO wasn’t depriving them of their opportunity to cheat.

I guess after that loss to predators, they had to do something.

The rest of the clubs complained and eventually hoco caved to the pressure. Now crabs parents are @ChillLaxin hurt that their high school aged kid won’t get a chance to actually look good on the field while playing against middle schoolers.

As for FCA, I’m guessing your kid got cut from them at some point. I have no idea if they will be good or not this year. They struggled last year but did go 2-1 at the next level tourney.

None of this really matters because neither the cheating crabs or FCA will be hoisting the hoco trophy this year.

Maybe you should hold your kid back a second time. I’m sure he will look even better playing against those 30’s.

Nailed it.

As I see it, we’re doing a public service to all of the delusional holdback dads who are convinced their below average athlete son will get recruited when they watch him play against prepubescent kids.

Holdback dad is going to have a rude awakening when his kid isn’t recruited and little champ will forever feel like a failure for sacrificing everything to make his father proud of him yet coming up short.

Far better to make holdback dad face the reality that his kid just isn’t that good now and let him learn to love his son for other reasons. As a plus, his kid can simply play sports for fun and avoid the lifetime of therapy.

Use the college stadiums. Put it on streaming. This is America's premier youth lax league. Act like it. Look at Texas and youth football. They have radio, tv, sponsors. Outside of the games there's no events, kickoffs, clinics. We the parents through the clubs are subsidizing howard county's entire rec. that's nice but certainly not getting back what $ we put in. I don't live in howard county. There's not even a hoco league t-shirt you get out of that.

It's definitely not coming from the moms complaining and trying to change the rules Nailed it.

Did anyone else notice that US Lacrosse is forcing the U16 team to play the U18 team this weekend? How can they get away with this madness?! That's not fair!

Just run it like MYLA. Failure to comply with the rules will allow them to compete, but result in disqualification from playoffs.

This guy here knows how to write some parody. Bravo

Looking for a Spring league for my 8th grader, who ia a year older because he did a pre first year. He wants to play with kids his age. So I am guessing a spring league for 9th graders. He has played for a top 30 Elite/AAA team before moving to the area. Any Suggestions? Looking in the BAltimore Metro area.

This banter between adults is really embarrassing. We are using kids as our pawns in a sport we don’t play, as a vehicle to make ourselves feel better, and a place where we are teaching our kids to be jerks. No matter how old they are or what team they play for. You are seen acting like this on this forum and it’s seen on the sideline. Way to go! High five! Maybe the site needs to go down again.

No such thing. He'll have to sit out and watch for a year to pay for your obvious attempt at cheating.

You have a grand vision, you should pitch it to Ricky.

If he was born in summer and did prefirst , it looks like he can play in HOCO , even though I am actually confused on what the cut off is now.

If he is born before that and older, Play on your MIAA Junior High school team . Most MIAA teams have them. You must be in MIAA as only MIAA schools call it a prefirst . The public schools call it holding him back in Kindergarten .

Until about 10 years ago, this is what all the private school players did that were prefirsts or heldback, They didnt play in youth lacrosse as it was by age. Played with their MIAA JH school teams or practiced with JV team. Frankly back then even the notorious Crabs only went by age and their teams were some of best in country.

How is this cheating. The question states that the kid want to play on age. Lots of anger hear.

There is no spring league for high school aged players.

Cheating may be harsh and probably a person who is tired of all the holdbacks who play down.

This is a player in 8th grade who should be in 9th grade looking for somewhere to play against on age 9th graders in Spring. None that I know of in Spring except for school teams.

He needs to play on his MIAA school team in Spring and go back to playing down in Club in Summer or if he wants play on age in summer like he wants to it Spring. I doubt he does the second choice as he will be the only holdback playing his age in MD.

Pretty sure 2029 has 2 year gap, so an 8th grader who did pre-first can play in Hoco. That was the case for last years 2028s. Essentially it's U15 like what we all played for for the previous 50 years. And yes held back kids got two years of U15 while while the rest of moved on to HS. Unless you didn't make JV in which you could still play on a U15 team. We all survived.

It would need to be U16,not U15, to accommodate what the holdback parents and club directors want.

I heard Crabs has a college player doing his covid year on the 29 team.

Good one! You are such a fool. Getting your jollies off of ripping on kids who really have no say in what they do. Mama be proud of you and maybe you and daddy can share a sodie-pop. #mykidsnotaholdback

Sorry, it is not like the last 50 years unless you are a holdback looking for excuses. U15 was all about age , nothing to do with your grade. Sorry holdback excuser , not how it worked. And MIAA JV had nothing to do with your U15 team. Two different things and if you were on age and on JV, most did both.

Real easy, it was U9,11,13,15. Every age group you played in a certain U, one year you would be on young side and next year you would be on older side, but it was all based on age. Real simple. Not like now, where the holdbacks every year are the oldest.

This is actually a new holdback excuse I havent heard before. Well Done.

Fake News, He was doing a PG year at Deerfield, so all good, still in High School . Keep it Real

Yeah, 50 years ago there wasn't a cool neon-orange hat on the line!

This isn't an excuse. I'm just telling you how it was and actually still is in MYLA and for Hoco for 2029. None of my kids have been held back and I'm glad they made the changes to limit the age disparities in youth lacrosse. However I'm 100% fine with my 8th grader playing with kids a year a more older. Your point was that this wasn't the case 10 years ago. It was, especially in 8th grade. Those prefirsters who were turning 16 that school year or summer played on Juniors teams aka u15 when their age group peers moved into HS..

The limit on age for spring 2025 hoco I believe is the 2 year span of 9/1/09 to 8/31/11

Heard that there is a bunch of dads and moms on BOTC who are living their lack luster high school days through their kids and picking on kids because they still know they can’t handle being an adult. And you wonder why kids in middle, high school, and college struggle with the pressure. It’s not because of academics. It’s because of comments like this. They read this stuff. SMH.

Lets just stop this and play ball. Its not
Like Crabs destroyed teams, they won in over time.
Easy thing to do is to play and win, rest is waste of time.

Oh please! Enough of blaming other people for your decision. You should have thought of that when you decided to hold your children back, or pre first, or reclass, etc…..
You get the glory of finagling the system and puffing out your chest, we can laugh and poke fun of the ridiculous situation you chose to put your child in. Unless you can prove otherwise.

THIS!

“Oh please! Enough of blaming other people for your decision. You should have thought of that when you decided to hold your children back, or pre first, or reclass, etc…..
You get the glory of finagling the system and puffing out your chest, we can laugh and poke fun of the ridiculous situation you chose to put your child in. Unless you can prove otherwise.”

0k so my kid is on age. Starting on an elite team. And I have 10+ years of coaching at all levels k-12 and 20+ years of adolescent psychology and developmental growth. No big deal just how I make my living. Other than that I really don’ know anything. Your right.












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Sorry , you can say what you want, My statement stands. Every U had two years . MYLA was the only game in town. You were young one year and older the next year at every U. You have no idea what you are talking about. MYLA had a U15 league that was 8th and 9th graders. The 9th graders were on U15 the year before as 8th graders and then got to be on U15 as 9th graders. Most 9th graders played on their JV or Freshman/Soph team and their MYLA team. And the better ones played on Breakers U15 and Crabs U15 as club in summer or the NPYLL league while it was around . Spare me you know all about it.

HOCO and a couple Clubs started the teams by grade which lead to all the vitriol with holdbacks. Before that the prefirsts/holdbacks/reclass played on age and dealt with 8th/9th grade as best they could without a bunch of whining like now. Or having to explain why it is good to play down , etc.

MYLA had nothing to do with any Private school prefirsts. Frankly most of Baltimore had no idea what it was until all the holdback nonsense starting to come into youth lacrosse a little over 10 years ago.

Sure it isnt. Then why give one ?

Did private schools start pre first as a money grab which eventually turned to a sports thing? Or was it always for sports?

There's a ton of college coaches hanging out in the kindergarten rooms at these schools. It's disgusting watching how they collude with the administrations to convince parents to hold kids back.

It was due to the supposably challenging curriculum that the MIAA schools gave the youngsters in grade school. Also gave schools an extra years tuition for grade prefirst. Prefirst classes a few years ago were usually from 20-30 children at many MIAA schools that offered lower school. Not sure what class size is now.

It supposably had nothing to do with sports. It was for the younger kids to keep up with older kids in grade, what person who can afford a private MIAA school wants their child to be a dummy compared to the others. But like good parents it was used for everything to get ahead from actual education to sports.

Once the flood gates opened about 12 years ago for Club grade lacrosse along with early recruiting excuse ( now gone), MIAA parents and anyone interested in playing high level lacrosse decided to use prefirst , reclass or holdbacks at an all time high.

The old extreme excuse to make fun of people who want youth sports be about age.

Hard concept for many of you holdback apologists to understand, but giving your prefirst an advantage over another child born on same exact day who is on age goes against what the majority of people think is right.

The amount of prefirsts at MIAA schools is at a all time high according to an admin I talked to. They love it. Many are for doing it for sports, not even debatable. This issue isnt going away .

Actual facts.... there's a group of 2029 crabs moms losing their minds over what "could" happen with the rules, since their 2028s reclassed to 2029 after 7th or 8th grades (an equal mix). One crabs dad reclassed his kid without consulting the kids mom, as in, downpayment made, "oh by the way....". trouble in paradise lol. i do feel bad for the crabs players who had to sit through 8th grade graduation, only to have to enroll in 8th grade again. Their classmates clown them constantly for it. As long as dad can brag about Junior's "elite status" at the alumni breakfast, all is well

Real talk is that you have to face your wife and son because this whole reclass thing was your idea, and your wife's friends talk about it behind her back, and your kid's classmates hound him about it all day, every day and he's miserable. Real talk is that it's "shameful" that you want to blame everybody but yourself for the totally foreseeable consequences of your direct actions.

Step up, be accountable for your decisions man. Oh boo hoo, I helped my son cheat in sports for my own ego, now my family is mad at me. Yeah man, dig in.

Do you sit down and contemplate any of this at all, or is it just pure emotion?